Enjoyed your comments 'Hawk - yes, I see a huge difference between occasional use versus abuse too.

Although some may see this as thread creep (and worthy of its own thread maybe) for me dope, early music days ("daze") and gender roles are inextricably linked.

I think the egocentrism of our late teens (we in the middle class west are generally privileged to be able to enjoy an adolecense after all) was compounded with another layer, where dope was prevalent.

When one is very self absorbed (stoned, whatever) it is a big dealto encourage or support other musicians, unless in doing so it supports your own ego trip. Still, I can't hear music like ISB without an edge of nostalgia for those balmy summers, smoke and communality (before I went off to bake more biscuits of course). They weren't all bad days, and submission was my choice and part of the dynamic too.