Just makes a case for asking how TS Eliot was "civilised," whatever that means, other than we are judging today's enlightened times, not yesterday.

I wonder if the newspapers of the day reported how her guts would probably prolapse from her as she came to a sudden stop?

I recall reading an article a few years ago where the Iranian government said they were more civilised than Singapore because their use of cranes and slow strangulation prevents this from happening.

The USA feel they are civilised because they make their children stand to attention in front of their damned ragged flag.