I for one do not deny that the other side have committed atrocities or been involved in vile activities. But you are using that like a bludgeon to deflect from the war crimes and other atrocities that the state of Israel has also been involved in. Your attitude is that we don't have to talk about Israel's misdeeds because you can demonstrate others' misdeeds. That is the tactic of the schoolyard, Keith, and it's doesn't work with grownups. As for the refugee camp massacres, which I note you are trying to minimise, Israeli forces did not do the killing but they prevented people from leaving the camp and illuminated the area in order to facilitate the slaughter by their close allies. Ariel Sharon was later forced to resign, having been found to be personally responsible for failing to prevent the massacre. "None was committed by Israelis" doesn't cut it in the light of those facts, does it, Keith? You may resort to a technical factoid but the context tells a different story, Keith, one that you'd prefer to shut your eyes and ears to.