akenaton: "I'm really surprised that our American friends have little interest in this thread?"

Jim Carroll: "Only Goofus so far as I can see."

Maybe they would, if any of the morons would address the SUBJECT of thread. You guys are all bickering over bullshit, and who said what when, and who is more wrong with their quotes!!

I gives me reason to think that a lot of you don't have a clue, so in lieu of a clue, you try to sound like you have fired up opinion based on nothing!!.......and ramble on, as if you have some dignity at stake!!!

Oh yeah,....and who cares what 'real socialists'(?) are SUPPOSED to think about it through the 'socialist accepted indoctrination'. How about looking at it the way it is, instead of trying to stuff it in some stupid box...If you're having problems with that, consider a wider view, than through the myopic 'socialist' filter...(or at least what you THINK the socialist consciousness is) instead of reality!

Try this(if it doesn't hurt your heads to much to think)....the global corporate oligarchy vs the the countries of a 'nationalistic' focus....sort out who is who (or really who), and it will start to make sense....keep in mind that Russia, China, India and Iran have a defense pact......and another though...the global oligarchy really has no need to give a shit about America one way or the other...unless they need to rent their military.....OK...go figure it out!

Happy Cogitations!!

GfS