Subject: John Tams singing From: Galen Date: 14 Aug 00 - 03:37 PM Greetings all! I am looking for lyics to a song that was sung by John Tams (Hagman) in the 'Sharpe' episode 'Sharpe's Gold'. The only line I remember goes: "If ever I'll be a soldier again, the devil will be me sergant" Thank you in advance. Galen |
Subject: Lyr Add: ROGUE'S MARCH^^ From: GUEST,Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 14 Aug 00 - 04:25 PM The song is Rogues March....
Tuppence I got for selling me cloak |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: GUEST,Dave (TAM) Date: 14 Aug 00 - 04:27 PM sorry the last two lines should read - If ever I list for a soldier again Devil shall be me sergeant .. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Aug 00 - 04:23 AM Hi, Dave - I fixed the mistake in the lyrics. Are there any more verses, or any background information? Is it traditional? Anybody got a tune? -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: Dave (the ancient mariner) Date: 15 Aug 00 - 05:03 AM Yes its traditional Joe... I can sing it, but cannot read or play music so someone else will have to come up with that. John Tams recorded it on the Virgin label "Over The Hills And Far Away" the music of Sharpes Rifles. I only know the one verse . Yours, Aye. Dave |
Subject: Tune Add: ROGUE'S MARCH^^ From: Snuffy Date: 15 Aug 00 - 07:34 AM This is not 100%, but I think it's near enough
MIDI file: MIDI1.MID Timebase: 480 Tempo: 150 (400000 microsec/crotchet) This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here Original ABC
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE ROGUE'S MARCH^^ From: wildlone Date: 15 Aug 00 - 01:45 PM I found a version of this on a web site some time ago I sing it somtimes around the camp fire at our Napoleonic re-enactments
The Rogue's March
Melody - Drum tune
Chorus:
Gave me a gun and a big red coat
Chorus:
Sent me off on a real old boat
Chorus:
Fought the Russians, or was it the French
Chorus:
When we got back home again
Chorus:
Went to a tavern and I got drunk
Chorus:
Fifty I got for selling me coat
Chorus: dave,pioneer 23 reg RWF.^^
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: Liz the Squeak Date: 15 Aug 00 - 03:16 PM OOOhhh thanks, always wondered if there were more words to this..... LTS |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: GUEST,Dead Horse Date: 03 Feb 01 - 07:17 AM Those lyrics posted were written by me, 'cos i thought the song needed them. We used to dance Longsword to that tune. John Tams brief version is the only fragment known to have survived (?) Some argument to "tuppence i got for selling me coat" my version is "fifty i got ...... refering to 50 lashes of the old cat 'o nine tails. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: GUEST,Dead Horse Date: 03 Feb 01 - 07:23 AM Background info This tune was official tune in British army for marching disgraced soldiers "off the premises" after receiving due punishment. Dated to roughly Boer war or perhaps earlier ? The words (unofficial) were composed by rank & file soldiers in barracks, so may not have gone to print. My version owes a lot to "Kerry Recruit" |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 03 Feb 01 - 12:37 PM Speaking of John Tams, just tried to pull up "Pull down, Lads" (I think John and Roger Watson penned this one), and can't seem to find it. Anyone have the lyrics? Cheers, -- Arne Langsetmo |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: wildlone Date: 03 Feb 01 - 01:13 PM Thanks Dead Horse, I hope you did not mind my posting them, I got them from through re-enacting. Are you in any group? dave |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE PULLING-DOWN SONG (J. Tams/R. Watson) From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 03 Feb 01 - 03:18 PM There's an old thread with a couple of transcriptions of The Pulling Down Song; one is from a recording by a band I've never heard of, the other is from somebody's memory. Both contain numerous mistakes ("folk process" be hanged, at any rate when it's used as an excuse for not learning a song properly, particularly when the writer is still very much alive). This from the original Muckram Wakes recording (on A Map of Derbyshire, Trailer LER 2085):
THE PULLING-DOWN SONG
(John Tams and Roger Watson)
Pull down, lads,
Pull down, lads,
Pull down, lads, |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: GUEST,Arne Langsetmo Date: 06 Feb 01 - 11:33 AM Thanks. Looks pretty good the way you have it transcribed. A couple of differences from what I hear (dunno what's right, which is why I asked): Pass the _berry_ round lads?? ("berry" for wine?) Pull out the _chart_? (i.e. map) The _arc's_ all packed? ("arc" for arc lights). Vocabulary: The Dodg'ems stacked (Dodg'ems are bumper cars) Sets = generators, AFAIK Tilt = tent scran = food?? Anyone know more specifically? * * * Muckram Wakes was Roger and John's band a while back. June Tabor has a wonderful haunting version of this on "Airs and Graces". For those wondering, this a tune about the travelling circus folks and their lives. . . . Thanks once again for the help. Cheers, -- Arne
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 06 Feb 01 - 11:48 AM Bevvy=drink (esp in Liverpool) from "beverage". RtS |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 06 Feb 01 - 01:23 PM I can't vouch for my spelling of Ark/Arc, as I no longer have the sleevenotes and can't check. I can guarantee that the rest is right, though; a "chat", if I remember correctly, is a general-purpose word like "what's it's name" or "thingummybob". I think that "tilt" is a canvas cover or awning, but this is at a distance of some years. Yes, "scran" is food. Malcolm |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: Les from Hull Date: 06 Feb 01 - 01:27 PM A tilt is a canvas lorry cover. My uncle used to make 'em. Les |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: Paul from Hull Date: 06 Sep 01 - 09:39 PM Good thread! I didnt know until now WHO had written it.....& I've only ever heard it sung by June Tabor. Wildlone, thanks for posting the words to 'The Rogue's March' - funny how on here you can just 'bump into' the writer! & to the GUEST, Dead Horse - thanks for writing them! Good stuff! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: Paul from Hull Date: 06 Sep 01 - 10:37 PM Ooops...only just noticed the dates of the posts on here that I've 'responded' to.... I blame The Duck.....*G* |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: GeorgeH Date: 07 Sep 01 - 07:35 AM I thought the two versions I have of this (June's and Muckram Wakes' original) both attribute it only to Tams, but I could be wrong! June's album gives translations of the difficult terms! I think it's "pull out the chat", and that it refers to the plug connecting the generator to the ride, but this could be pure fantasy on my part. I'll try to remember to check. I need hardly add that the (very fine!) Muckram Wakes album referred to has been Bulmered . . George |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: GUEST,SallyT Date: 15 Dec 03 - 02:39 AM Hi Anne, Just glancing through the Mudcat, interested to see what's going on. I do need to mention that John Tams alone wrote Pulling Down Song. He worked with Roger and Helen in Muckram Wakes, Muckram was a tiny hamlet close to where John grew up in Derbyshire. I have been with John for 27 years and recently on moving house, we came across his original scribblings and notes for the song. He is working with Barry Coope at the moment and the song is often included in their set. It is one of my favourites. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: GUEST,Henryp Date: 15 Dec 03 - 03:48 PM It's good to chat! In Till doomsday in the afternoon, Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger discuss The Cant; The word chaet is frequently used in conjunction with an adjective describing its function or quality. Glimmer chaets are anything to do with a fire, from fire-tools like tongs, poker and fire-irons to fuel in general. A church bell, literally translated, as "a good preacher's thing", and a been looer chaet (with all the possible definitions of the three basic words) could be almost any precious or worthwhile item. |
Subject: RE: : John Tams - The Rogues' March From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Mar 12 - 01:37 PM ----Some argument to "tuppence i got for selling me coat" my version is "fifty i got ...... refering to 50 lashes of the old cat 'o nine tails. Dead Horse 03 Feb 01---- ,.., Surely so indeed ~~ cf the verse in 'Arthur McBryde' Ye need not be bragging about your fine clothes For you've only the loan of them I do suppose. If you were to sell them in spite of your nose You'd be sure to get flogged in the morning! ~Michael~ |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: John Tams singing From: Tattie Bogle Date: 04 Mar 12 - 06:17 PM The wonders of Youtube - not around when this thread was started! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVneCNSF7wQ |
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