Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronunciation req's for British Subjects From: GUEST,Sue A Date: 10 Mar 07 - 03:49 PM I know a Gervase who pronounces his name Ger-vayse, and a Gervaise who pronounces his Ger-vis. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronunciation req's for British Subjects From: Dave Hunt Date: 10 Mar 07 - 02:13 PM Wednesbury in the Black Country is pronounced Wensb'ry and of cours we have West Bromwich = west bromich |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronunciation req's for British Subje From: dick greenhaus Date: 10 Mar 07 - 11:55 AM There's an old joke (1930's, I'd guess)about the Yank who was confused by British pronunciation. He shook his head sadly when told that "Worcester" came out "Wooster" and "Bethlehem" emerged as "Bedlam", but when he saw a theater with a sighn that proclaimed "Noel Coward's Blithe Spirit---pronounced success!" he packed up and went home. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronunciation req's for British Subjects From: s&r Date: 10 Mar 07 - 08:47 AM Gotham (Notts) is pronounced goat-um, stress on the first syllable. Goth um is for Batman. Here's a list Fom Wikipedia - sorry - from. Stu |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronunciation req's for British Subjects From: Rusty Dobro Date: 10 Mar 07 - 08:32 AM Not forgetting Ightham ('Eye-tum'), Wrotham ('Root-um'), Happisburgh ('hayes-borough'), Wymondham ('wind-um'), Trottiscliffe ('trosley') and England ('in-gland'). Isn't Chumley pronounced Cholmondesleigh? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronunciation req's for British Subjects From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 10 Mar 07 - 06:17 AM A Glawegian friend of mine tells me that in his home city the Duke of Edinburgh is known as the 'Chuke-in-Embra' - which causes me no end of amusement! There is a place on the North Norfolk coast called Holkham. I once heard two poets discussing it. One opined that it should be pronounced 'Hook-ham' whilst the other believed it should be Hoke-ham'. I'm afraid I interrrupted and said, "my Grandfather came from there and he pronounced it 'Holk-ham' - just like it's spelled". In my home town of Peterborough ('Peter-buruh') the barbarous local planners (there are no other sorts in England now) ripped down an old part of the town and drove through a large road which they named 'Bourges Boulevard', after Peterborough's twin town in France. To the end of his days my Dad insisted on pronouncing it, "Borges' Bullyvard" - good for you, Dad! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronunciation req's for British Subje From: GUEST,Wolfhound person Date: 10 Mar 07 - 04:19 AM But Edlingham (NW of Alnwick) is not.....it's Ed-lingum How about Stagshaw? Stayshe..Staysha', Stagsha, stag-shaw. Depends on which village / area the speaker comes from / lives in Written from a village with a rare, for Northumberland, Celtic (welsh-type) name, where the natives still speak an impenetrable mixture of pitmatic and rural Northumbrian. It's English, all right, but with a built in time warp which makes it interesting. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronunciation req's for British Subjects From: Alec Date: 10 Mar 07 - 04:00 AM Interesting thread.Northumbrian place names have some not very obvious pronunciations as well. Ovingham,Eltringham & Bellingham are pronounced Ovingjum,Eltringjum & Bellingjum. Alnwick is pronounced Annick. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronunciation req's for British Subje From: GUEST,Iain Date: 10 Mar 07 - 03:18 AM It is possoble to have been (maybe still be) a british subject, and not a britich citizen but a citizen of a colony. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Gurney Date: 05 Jun 05 - 06:55 PM As a nod in the direction of his English ancestry, my boy's middle name is Ralph, pronounced 'Rafe'. Saxon for 'house wolf.' |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subj From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Jun 05 - 06:54 PM "Harry is usually a shortened form of Harold, rather than Henry" I've never come across this. Nobody ever talks about King Harry getting an arrow in the eye in 1066, nor can I remember any political satirists targetting Harry Wilson or Harry Macmillan; and Shakespeare is pretty clear about "God for Harry, England and Saint George" in Henry V. I'm not disputing that there may be some Harrys who are really Harolds, but I'm doubting whether "usually" is correct. (And I wouldn't rely too much on Diana as an authority on many things... It's up to people to decide for themselves about those kinds of things, not their parents - as anyone with a name that exists in as many variations as Liz must surely agree.) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Jun 05 - 06:21 PM Harry is usually a shortened form of Harold, rather than Henry... The Princess of Wales insisted that his name was Harry, not Harold or Henry. LTS |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST Date: 05 Jun 05 - 05:39 PM Ascot "hello" "Air hair lair" |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Santa Date: 05 Jun 05 - 04:48 PM Beaufort (Bo-fort)was the aeroplane in WW2. The gun was the Bofors, built under licence from the original Swedish company. Just to upset the token Scot even more, isn't this Dun Edain just an invented form to hide the true original Edwin's Burg? King Edwin of Northumbria, which stretched up into what is now Fife, and covered what is now Northern England and the Scottish Lowlands. Shame it was driven out of existence, it makes a lot more sense to think of mainland Britain as the Celtic fringes, the Northern centre, and those damned sudanglii...... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Allen Date: 05 Jun 05 - 12:51 PM OOOPS I ment Belvoir, what a slip. It's especially amusing to me as there's a Crusader castle in the region called Belvoir (Belvwah). |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Cats Date: 05 Jun 05 - 12:33 PM Sorry but Woolfardisworthy isn't Woolery it's Woolsery. We live reasonably close to it and now the road signs even have Woolsery written in brackets beside it! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subj From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Jun 05 - 12:29 PM Harry is just a different way of writing Henry, using something closer to the French pronunication. ................................ Theydon Bois, near Epping, with the "bois" pronounced "boys ............................ Mind, how about "Coemhghen" pronounced "Kevin"? ................ Rather disappointingly Mousehole in Cornwall is pronounced Mowzel. Equally regrettably, the Thai tourist island of Phuket is in fact meant to be pronounced with an aspirated P sound rather than an F. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Liz the Squeak Date: 05 Jun 05 - 08:03 AM You forgot Belvoir - Beaver..... Ask anyone who ever served in the armed forces and Beaufort will be pronounced Bo-fort, the name of a rather popular gun of WWII. There's a lovely one in Dorset spelled Puncknowle and pronounced Punnel. And to be pedantic, as the Princess of Wales insisted, it is William and Harry, not Henry. LTS |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Terry K Date: 05 Jun 05 - 06:51 AM Being as the Normans were Vikings, that's not surprising. Something like the Bretons having their own language as well as some unusual pronunciations of French - apparently that pisses the French off no end. There's something attractive about things that piss the French off... El Greko (or may I call you El - clearly short for Elvis) I don't live in Cheshum but I do some business there. I'm in Herts. cheers, Terry |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Allen Date: 05 Jun 05 - 04:51 AM Left out Beaufort = Beaver and Beauchamps = Beechum. Anyway, the Normans had their own way of pronouncing French, offended (still does) French sensibilities. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: George Papavgeris Date: 05 Jun 05 - 04:46 AM Oi, TerryK, you live in "Cheshum" too? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: George Papavgeris Date: 05 Jun 05 - 04:44 AM The ones I love are the Norman-origin ones, which invariably get pronounced with total disregard to their provenance or equivalent pronounciation in today's French: Bealieu = "Bee-ool-ey" (as in "Beulah" but different ending) Chesham Bois = Chesham "Boys" Pelham Fourneaux = "Plum Furnace" I am not sure about the reasons for such pronunciations, but it appeals to my folkie instincts to think that it was the Saxon everyman's way of sticking a finger up at the Norman conqueror. By the way, leeneia, it is "Gervays", the "G" as in German, the "vase" as the Americans might pronounce it. But my all-time favourite is that place you pass going over the Pennines towards Manchester: Penistone. The locals all call it "Penniston", but that seems silly to me; you have kidney stones, why not penis ones too? It's getting to the point where Vanessa nowadays asks that we go a different route, if we carry other passengers in the car... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Terry K Date: 05 Jun 05 - 04:11 AM Chesham is on the river Chess - if that's any guide.... Actually that's a bit of a red herring, because round here we say Chesh-um anyway. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Banjo-Flower Date: 04 Jun 05 - 07:29 PM Skuh NEK tuh dee Dave Oesterreich Thanks Dave but the Question was for Folkman Gerry |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST Date: 04 Jun 05 - 07:09 PM ps On my current European Union passport my nationality is stamped as 'British Citizen.' The wording inside the old British 10yr passport states.. 'Her Brittanic majesty's Principal Secretary of Statefor foreign and commonwealth affairs requests and requiresin the name of her Majestyall those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as maybe necessary.' In the new euro passport they have dropped the 'principal' and 'for foreign and commonwealth affairs.' |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST Date: 04 Jun 05 - 07:01 PM McGrath is right. I have just checked my old 10yr British passport... my NATIONAL STATUS is stamped as 'British Citizen.' On an even older Visitors Passport ( the one year one) it states on the cover... 'British Visitor's Passport for British Subjects : Citizens of United Kingdom and Colonies only.' |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Don(Wyziwyg)T, by the back door Date: 04 Jun 05 - 06:47 PM What UK passport, McGrath? The one I've got says I'm a European Community citizen. I no longer have it, so can't say with absolute certainty, but I seem to remember that my old British passport requested that the bearer, a British subject, be allowed to pass without let or hindrance. Don T. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST Date: 04 Jun 05 - 06:28 PM Marry lee bone? or Marly bone? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST Date: 04 Jun 05 - 06:05 PM Shrowsbury or Shrewsbury? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Allen Date: 04 Jun 05 - 05:56 PM But everyone just calls them Brummies. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 04 Jun 05 - 05:39 PM It's a funny thing about pronunciations, I remember a few years back there was a US quiz show hosted by Bill Cosby, and contestants were forever correcting Bill for his mispronuciation of there place names. But, of course, is no one correct pronuciation. For example, the majority of the inhabitants of Birmingham (UK) pronounce the "ham" section of the word " gum". Now, does that means the the rest of of us are pronoucing it incorrectly? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subj From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 04 Jun 05 - 05:14 PM Skuh NEK tuh dee Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Banjo-Flower Date: 04 Jun 05 - 01:33 PM Thanks Folkman for being insulted when none was intended, Now tell me how many Scots call Edinborough "Dùn Èideann "and do they pronounce it in the Shetlands as they do in the Western Isles? Btw Folkman how would you pronounce Schenectady without offending an American or Whangarei Without upsetting a New Zealander? Gerry P.S Beau les eaux |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Allen Date: 04 Jun 05 - 01:28 PM Everyone knows it's Lunnon. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subj From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jun 05 - 01:26 PM For that matter there's "London". Or "Washington", when you think about it. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Allen Date: 04 Jun 05 - 12:34 PM Jarv-ace (emphasis on second syllable I think). Surprised nobody mentioned the village of twocester- TOASTER. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 04 Jun 05 - 11:23 AM I still want to know how to pronounce Gervase. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,crazy little woman Date: 04 Jun 05 - 11:23 AM Re: The world is full of variation. The languages we talk varies, the way we look and the way we dress and the way we behave, and the music we play. -------- Well said and done, McGrath. I live in Missouri, and even the people who live here don't agree on how to pronounce it. I'm of the Missour-ee school, myself, along with most of the western part of the state. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,padgett Date: 04 Jun 05 - 08:20 AM Try Higham = Hickham Barugh = Bark Notton (palindrome) Cudworth = Cuderth (Michael Parkinson's birthplace) Dodworth = Doderth All around Barnsley, Sth Yorkshire |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subj From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Jun 05 - 07:54 AM I really HATE that way of saying... But why? The world is full of variation. The languages we talk varies, the way we look and the way we dress and the way we behave, and the music we play. That's how it's supposed to be. Surely it's entertaining living in a world like that, not something to "hate". ................ As for the citizen/subject stuff, just have a look at a UK passport some time. It unambiguously uses the term "citizen". |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST Date: 04 Jun 05 - 04:30 AM McGrath of Harlow, Edward VII was king of England, Ireland and Wales, but Edward Ist of Scotland, also a bit of a mouthful? Or why not be honest and admit you only use English titles. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House Date: 04 Jun 05 - 03:33 AM Whats all that cobblers about "ask a Scot, not an Englishman"? If something is posted here is it now autamaticaly classed as asking an Englishman? I thought it was addressed to the mnuddy community in general. Anyway Edinburgh is the ENGLISH name for Dùn Èideann (Fort of Aidan) which is the correct gaelic name for the town. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House Date: 04 Jun 05 - 03:22 AM Sorry that should have read "Beau les eaux" plural of course. the singular being "Testique alle" |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Sliding Down The Bannister At My Auntie's House Date: 04 Jun 05 - 03:20 AM What about "Beau le eaux" - BOLLOCKS I believe it derives from the late 11th century Norman. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: wildlone Date: 04 Jun 05 - 02:49 AM Cholmondley-----Chum lee I went to school there |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 03 Jun 05 - 06:34 PM That last is more usually Ming-ies (pronounced like us, i.e. singies). Don T. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: RobbieWilson Date: 03 Jun 05 - 06:25 PM So what about these, some Scottish, some English; Strathaven Milngavie Brewood Cholmondley Menzies StJohn Strathaven Stray ven Milngavie Mull guy Brewood Brood Cholmondley chum lay St John sin gin Menzies Mingus ( like Charley) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Vice68 Date: 03 Jun 05 - 06:16 PM also...... I really HATE that way of saying (eg) "withdrawing" as if there's a 2nd R. AAAAAAAAARGH! |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: JohnInKansas Date: 03 Jun 05 - 06:11 PM This debate seems to be one of the few truly enduring traditions that some parts of the US inherited and retained from the Brits. I once lived in Boston on a street where the "proper pronunciation of the street name had divided residents for decades. The city had somewhat ameliorated the bitterness of the debate by placing a street sign at the end of the block, where those who lived on one side would likely enter so they could park in front without a U-turn, could use their favorite ROSS-e-ter, while at the other end of the block those of other inclination could see their preferred ros-ETT-er. One elderly person persistently went to the other end of the block, walked half way down and crossed in the middle because he said they put his sign on the wrong end of the block. A short way down the road, the divisions in sentiment and "certain and indisputible historical knowledge" had force the city to erect SEVEN separate signs, each with a different spelling, to identify the "roundabout" called Kosciuzko Circle. Locals all had their firmly held convictions about which was the correct spelling, although not all who agreed on the spelling had the same pronunciation. Significantly, none of them could tell you who "Ol' Kozzy" was, or why they named the circle after him. John |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Pronounciation req's for British Subjcts From: GUEST,Vice68 Date: 03 Jun 05 - 06:02 PM Round here, in Leith, (important distinction) it's(Edinburgh) pronounced "Embra" James II ruled from 1437 to 1460. Elizabeth the first is now on the throne. Her son would be Charles the third. Funny how "his" kids are William and Henry, good ecumenical/non-masonic names both..... |
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