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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: DonMeixner Date: 28 May 08 - 11:52 AM I don't like their show, period. Don |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: JedMarum Date: 28 May 08 - 09:48 AM OK - now that I spoke my piece I feel like a crusty old fart peeeing in someone else's Cheerios. Sorry for rant. I am certain these ladies are both beautiful and talented and I wish them no disrespect. Peter Paul and Mary were the invention of the record marketing "geniuses" - the Monkees too - and they all had some real talent. You mention Christina Aguilera and Jessica Simpson above (both of whom were "discovered" and hyped by the record marketing geniuses). Neither are "stars" that interest me, but Aguilera is actually supremely talented. She is a very rare and well developed singer ... again, not the kind of music that I would listen to much but I do have appreciation for the gifts she was born with and the skills she has obviously worked hard to hone. Jessica, on the other hand is a moderately skilled talent. She has developed the "star" qualities that our modern pop world seem to care about - and she has a nice easy, "I don't take myself too seriously" attitude that I find disarming - but she is not an artist of the caliber that would win her a role in the Celtic Woman troupe. Anyway - since I so crumugeonly spoke up last night, I thought I ought to explain a little further. I am simply more "earthy" in my tastes and don't mean disparage the good will others have for music I don't care about. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Jack Blandiver Date: 28 May 08 - 08:13 AM Out of curiosity I've just watched At the Céili on YouTube & I feel physically sick. What the feck is this thread doing on Mudcat? Here's the antidote if anyone's suffering similarly: A Real Celtic Woman |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Big Mick Date: 28 May 08 - 07:39 AM Right there with you, Jed. Mairead and the boys are an absolute joy to be around. I don't have a problem with Celtic Women, in fact I enjoy the first CD. But the music I was raised with is something that we all inhabit, performers and audience alike, all are involved. When I watch the Celtic Women, I feel like a viewer of a manufactured spectacle. When I watch Mairead and the boys, I am a part of the music. Following the link Jed provided, one gets the absolute sense of what I am talking about. By the way, I have seen erinmaiden perform with Kim Hoffman. Beauty AND talent would be an apt description. And the audience is very much involved. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: GUEST,erinmaidin Date: 28 May 08 - 07:30 AM I believe talent IS beauty. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: JedMarum Date: 28 May 08 - 02:37 AM I can't watch it. Store bought, manufactured, planned, produced, spit-polished, stylized, coiffured, perfumed, correographed, hand-picked beauty queens with music skills. Sorry if I sound cynical. I know Laurence Welk and Micth Mitchell had some highly skilled folks too, but this put together by the marketeers band format is just not my cup-of-tea. I much prefer these guys. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Jim Lad Date: 27 May 08 - 05:15 AM I watched a bit of it a couple of weeks ago. I'm afraid to say that it looked to me like they were playing to a sound track. Other than that..... Didn't come close to what real Celtic Music should sound like. You just can't make a big production out of something that's meant to be played around the dinner table and keep the authenticity. Might put a smile on the face of those high falutin' types that weren't raised with the stuff but not for wee Jimmy. May the Good Lord bless and keep yous all from me too! |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: GUEST,screamingbuffalo1969 Date: 27 May 08 - 05:00 AM As a musician, 55 years, sound engineer,(owner studio in L.A.), worked with top performers, Jackson, Starr, Turner, Wonder, ELO, among a few, and written a soundtrack for a film, plus performed in many live concerts, I have never been so impressed by any group as much as Celtic Woman, since the Beatles,(but for different reasons). The production was great, and for once, they brought out, that wholesomeness can be both seductive, and sexier, than the cheap trash that has been shoved down our throats!! Maev and Hayley, were probably the most technically, polished, while Lisa had the corner on expression, not to mention great material given to her. Mairead(fiddler/violinist), was a whole package to herself, and placed well, as not to over expose her. David Downes, is brilliant in his vocal arrangements, as well as orchestrations. When I started watching the first concert, at the Helix Centre, i was scrutinizing it all as it aired, and while trying to decide, if I was liking it, I found myself smiling for the first 35 minutes! These are world class musicians , and performers, who underplay the limits, while raising the bar. The reason a lot of you folks don't get it, is because you've been desensitized to finer quality, by eating up the trash and imperfection, rammed at us, by 'commercial' media. Saw them at Red Rocks, and they were great, especially the last(improvised?) piece at the end with Mairead Nesbitt on fiddle. Love to meet them. God Bless you all! |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: AWG Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:52 AM Audtimers lame attempts to stir the pot are quite disturbing to me. Nothing of substance (big surprise there), just angry jabs at one of the most talented groups of our time. Classic celtic music at its finest, with (God forbid) a little entertainment value. These type of posts just make me shake my head. Go back to your Ashlee Simpson CD's ! |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: GUEST,Audltimer Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:17 AM Best lip sync performers arround. Folk? - No. Show Biz glitz at it's worst? - Very close. Worth discussing on a quality music web site? - Only to flag up a warning about waisting any money on their products or shows. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Big Al Whittle Date: 09 Apr 07 - 07:05 AM I agree Giok, and no mention of a centrefold either..... |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: John MacKenzie Date: 09 Apr 07 - 04:17 AM It occurs to me when I read the posts on this thread, that you're not even talking about Celtic Music, but you ARE talking about Irish music. Where is the Breton, the Basque, the Welsh or the Scottish music in this discussion? I must say that I find this a common failing amongst my American cousins, and feel that a little more discernment and clarity of nomenclature, might be in order. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: michaelr Date: 08 Apr 07 - 11:45 PM Frank, it's time to come off your "folk snobbery" trip. It's beside the point. The point is, CW and other high-glamour shows of its ilk are the equivalent of elevator muzak: pretty, bland, and with any rough edges polished off that would make it individual or interesting. Wonder bread for mass marketing. These productions are not helpful to exposing audiences to Celtic music; in fact I'd guess they're a turn-off to anyone looking for authentic traditional expression. Come on now, it's not about pretty or ugly performers. It's about the quality and authenticity of the performance. The glitzy production only gets in the way of that. Cheers, Michael Michael |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Muttley Date: 08 Apr 07 - 10:44 PM Just a small comment: After first avoiding this thread like poison, I got curious enough to read through it. From the comments of AWG (Guest) I would almost conclude that AWG is a little 'obsessive' about the group and, particualarly Lisa Kelly. Admittedly Lisa IS a very attractive woman - in fact I'd go so far as to say Orla is probably the plainest of the ladies shown (no photo yet of Hayley) - I would be a little more careful of labelling her as highly as does AWG. In fact the youngest girl (?Chloe) and the fiddler, Mairead are both exceptionally beautiful women. Besides which, beauty means NOTHING when applied to talent - but then again, maybe they do: Bob Dylan is no picture and he can't sing either; but he does play a great guitar!!! I hadn't heard of CW before this, but being a lover of Celtic Music - I might just chase up a CD and have a listen. If beauty and talent DO go together then collectively they will be fantastic. And Joe: PLEASE don't go out in public with that corset on: Mother's are, by nature and necessity, biased about their offspring's looks - besides if you wear it too tight, you might just rupture your implants! Muttley |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: AWG Date: 08 Apr 07 - 09:38 PM You know, Ive been following this thread from the beginning, and one thing really bugs me. To quote Frank Hamilton....' These are talented women who have worked very hard to get where they are. You might not like them, that's cool, but to denegrate them just because they happen to be glamorous is the height of folk snobbery', I agree with Frank, however I truly believe CW is getting by on talent, simple as that. I mean, I love them, and they are beautiful IMO, but it's not like going to see Christina Aguileara (sp.?), or Jessica Simpson, or Nelly Furtado(you get the point). CW women are pretty, but that's it, theyre not wannabe strippers. They have talent, and that's what people pay to see (along with a nice stage show). Let's start giving credit where credit is due. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Stringsinger Date: 08 Apr 07 - 08:14 PM It's too easy to insist that glamorous women have no talent. It's a kind of chauvinsim that goes along with the "dumb blonde" jokes. These are talented women who have worked very hard to get where they are. You might not like them, that's cool, but to denegrate them just because they happen to be glamorous is the height of folk snobbery. Sure, there are plenty of fine, talented people who don't present themselves in a glam fashion and they are worthy of attention. But grow up folks. Folk music has become a form of show business whether you want to admit it or not. Sometimes, the uglier you look, the better minimal audience you attract. Folk is low-key show biz. And what's more, its always been that way. Traditional folksingers are packaged today and sold at folk festivals by entrepeneurs who make a little cash doing it. The summer camp folk workshop is a business like any other. There is nothing wrong with talented folksingers making a little money by performing for their specific audience. But to trash those who want to make a little more money but still do good musical work by glamming up a bit, seems pretentious and hypocritical. Look at Joan Baez. If she didn't have long black hair and a pretty face, do you think she would have had the following she had? I think she's great and it didn't bother me that many young ladies wanted to imitate her. But that's show biz too. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: GUEST,Canadienne Date: 08 Apr 07 - 06:19 AM Nothing really - but it's a lot more entertaining IMHO :) |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: AWG Date: 08 Apr 07 - 03:04 AM Sweet ! But what does any of this have to do with Celtic Woman ?? |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Peace Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:45 AM My shadow. If it's to the left or in front of me when I have to make the decision, I choose right. And the converse. Easy. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:41 PM How do you choose between left and right ? |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Peace Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:38 PM It often doesn't land. Then I choose left or right. If I choose left, then the next car that passes by has to have an odd number of people in it. If I choose right, then the next car has to have an even number of people in it. If it is a date that is a prime number, I add the first number of the license plate to the number of occupants of the car. If it's an even numberd day, I subtract 1 from the number of occupants in the car. On days evenly divisible by 3, I add 1 if the car colour is in the first half of the spectrum. Simple, once you get the hang of it. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:33 PM Or never lands?? |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:23 PM Awesome, very scientific ! What happens if the coin lands on it's side. ??? |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Peace Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:58 PM I toss a coin. Head = yes, tails = no. Nothin' to it! |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:56 PM Wow, you guys can make up your own minds ?? What is your secret ? |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: John MacKenzie Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:54 PM We pride ourself in our ability to make up our own minds on Mudcat, without brainwashing from either a commercial organisation, or a besotted fan. G. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: GUEST,Canadienne Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:32 PM Come back Lizzie - all is forgiven! |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:22 PM It's been over an hour and nobody's talking about Celtic Woman !!! What's going on here ?? |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 11:56 AM Hello Giok, how are you? Actually, if you look closely, I always said 'talented and beautiful' (talented came first), but I agree that more emphasis is put on looks these days. I'm not in that camp, however. I mean, who cares when you are listening to a CD? But when 2 people are equally talented, most will gravitate to the more attrative of the 2. So the producers got the real 1-2 punch going for them. People will buy the CD for the musical talent, and the DVD for the musical talent AND the look (of both the ladies and the production itself). I mean, they are trying to sell tickets and DVD's, right? That's show business, like it or not. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: MMario Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:51 AM I *think* this was the group my sister was watching on 'Martha' the other day. Nice production number - but so many backing tracks that very little of the ladies actual performance got through. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: jacqui.c Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:26 AM Agree 100% Giok. IMHO this is just a glamour package and not really about the music itself. That video did not make me want to go out and buy a CD or DVD - there are too many GOOD folk artistes that I would choose over this group. However, if they give people a starting interest in folk music they could be useful. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: John MacKenzie Date: 06 Apr 07 - 03:51 AM The thing I notice about AWG's posts in particular, and it's true of some of the other posts here, is this. There seems to be as much enthusiasm over the physical appearance of these ladies, as there is about their musical abilities. I am sad to see the same criteria being applied to folk music, as that which rules pop music. I bet there are some really wonderful singers and musicians, who are physically unattractive, and possibly overweight too. I just don't see many of them on my TV screen. The cliché about the opera not being over till the fat lady sings, doesn't seem to have crossed over into other musical fields. Let's have less emphasis on looks and more on talent please. Giok |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: GUEST,AWG Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:21 PM ??? |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Mr Happy Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:18 PM all about rising sap! |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Charley Noble Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:14 PM LOL I'm glad I checked this thread(s) as well. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: GUEST,AWG Date: 05 Apr 07 - 09:06 PM Just thinking to myself, before I came along most likely hardly anyone in this forum talked about Celtic Woman, or even knew who they were. But NOW... it seems they get a lot of attention (hopefully mostly positive LOL) Except maybe Joe, probably wishes he never heard of them :) |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Mr Happy Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:44 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgPF0RnB6s ok so now I've 'eard 'em. There's less likelihood of 'em forgettin' their words if they just sing a line each - great idea - just need another 3 x Mr Happies! |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Mr Happy Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:21 PM so we can see what we are [or may be allowed to continue to carry on] talking about, see here: http://www.celticwoman.com/index.asp |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Sorcha Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:12 PM Thank you Joe. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMAN Women!! From: Chris Green Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:03 PM Hooray! It's Lizzie O'Cornish! |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about the CELTIC WOMEN !! From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Apr 07 - 08:02 PM I'm consolidating all the threads about the individual Celtic Woman performers into this one. Pertinent comments from the other thread will be move here, and some messages will be deleted. I will allow this thread only. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about MEAV NI MHAOLCHATH !! From: Mr Happy Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:57 PM 'Meav, probably the best pure soprano on earth' How do you qualify this statement? |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about HAYLEY WESTENRA !! From: Stringsinger Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:33 PM Cheer up Mr. Happy. Hayley is worth writing about. She's the newcomer in CW from New Zealand and she has a lovely voice. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about HAYLEY WESTENRA !! From: Mr Happy Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:27 PM Let's talk about HAYLEY WESTENRA !! - Why? Sooner be at a sesh & injoy meself - so should you! |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !! From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:20 PM Hey, Mom always told me I was quite good-looking. -Oedipus- |
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Subject: RE: Lets talk about MAIREAD NESBITT !! From: Stringsinger Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:17 PM It seems to me that Mairead plays more like the Donegal players, not many rolls but a lot of "treble" bowing. (I think she is from somewhere around Tipperary). She inspired me enough to write out the music for Contradiction Reel, the way she plays it. It lilts but is unadorned compared to some Irish fiddling I've heard. But it's fiery. Her playing is highly musical and clean with an excellent sense of dynamics. She is like the fifth voice in CW and serves that function on some arrangements. Apparently she is a versatile player and has studied music and fiddling in Hungary. David Downes accompanies her beautifully with the right chord changes and feeling. Compare that to what Micheal Coleman had to contend with in his earlier recordings. His piano player must of had too many. I think it's valuable to discuss attributes of favorite performers. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !! From: GUEST Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:15 PM ** see AWG cringing at the thought ** |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about LISA KELLY !! From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:12 PM Hey, with the right makeup artist and a good corset, I could look that good. Of course, with the corset, I couldn't sing.... -Joe- |
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Subject: Let's talk about HAYLEY WESTENRA !! From: GUEST,AWG Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:09 PM The newest member of Celtic Woman, what can I say about Hayley ? Let's see, the voice, the voice, the voice, and oh yeah, did I mention beautiful. Holds world records in music, performed for The Queen of England, President Bush, among others. Just a pure, class act. Check her out at CELTIC WOMAN.COM. |
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Subject: RE: Let's talk about ORLA FALLON !! From: Amos Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:08 PM AWG, are you a shill for Celtic Woman dot com? A |
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