BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 02:26 PM

an unrecognized problem is that the government has control because of its alliance with a tiny party that will not allow any gesture of reconciliation with the Palestinians.

Unrecognized? You're kidding. Unrecognized by WHO?? (or is it Whom? I never could get that straight) Unrecognized by YOU perhaps, You perhaps.

And that "tiny party" currently IS the de facto government of Israel.

And when that government and its actions are criticised here, out come the "Jew-Hater and "Anti-Semite" accusations and all the rest of the abuse by the "dominant forces"or "usual suspects".

Are you really unable to see that, or are you just being a pain in the ass to entertain yourself?

but there's really not much that moderators can do about such name-calling.

Oh please.

Gee whiz, Joe - then I must have been hallucinating about my suspension a while back, eh? That never happened?

And what about the others that have been suspended and/or personallty barred?

C'mon Joe. You're smarter than that (I think).

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 02:23 PM

Yeah, PFR, but even then, you have to say why you think they're evil. The Israeli bulldozers are evil (I like the word "insidious"), but you win the debate by saying that the bulldozers do that makes them evil.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 02:23 PM

Not only has the US paid towards the conflict, it indemnifies Israel against defeat and has ensured that they have never needed bargaining chips in the litany of bogus "peace negotiations" down the decades.

"I do not deny that calling somebody a "Jew-hater" is unacceptable - but there's really not much that moderators can do about such name-calling."

Yes there is. You can get rid of him. Nothing else is going to stop him. I'm bloody sick to the back teeth of half-expecting to be called a Jew hater every time I post my free speech as I have done in the first paragraph of this post.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 02:22 PM

Joe I know you are remarkably even handed, even to those who mock your faith.

We disagree about most things, but I trust you. Without you Mudcat would be shit pit, or even worse a highly moderated forum where any controversy was banned.

If I very occasionally complain about something I listen to what you say because I know you have no favourites and no agenda other than to see the forum continue warts and all.

I presume Steve knows better than to expect special treatment from you, but I have watched him massage the ideologies of others ....I need say no more.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 02:20 PM

Joe - even though I am not religious..

I like the word 'evil'..


That is more the 'go to' word in my vocabulary, than calling bad folks 'fascists or nazis'...

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 02:16 PM

I don't know the rocket count, Raggytash, but I do believe that Israel does far more damage with bulldozers, than anyone could do with rockets.

They just move in with teams of bulldozers and destroy the neighborhoods where people have lived for generations. They get away with it because it sounds so much more civilized than rockets. But it's not.

They use the bulldozers to clear spaces for "security," and also to clear spaces for new settlements for often-wealthy right-wingers. It is a quiet, civilized, and very insidious form of terrorism.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 02:09 PM

Punkfolkrocker sez: I accept that it is credible and justifiable to compare the extremes of far right Israeli politicians to 'nazi Germany'...

Oh, I don't doubt for a moment that there are some grounds for comparison, PFR. The trouble is, if you use a Nazi comparison as the basis for your argument, the debate teacher will give you a bing, fat "F." for your presentation.

I admit that I've sometimes given in to the temptation to compare our Noble President to Hitler and his henchmen. It really does seem to me that Trump must have used Hitler's playbook to guide him to winning the U.S. Presidency. Two years ago, Trump had the support of less than 10 percent of the U.S. Republicans. He built his base to maybe 20 percent of Republicans by playing on their fears and prejudices. Then he took advantage of the wide playing field of Republican and gamed his way into winning the nomination with a 20 percent plurality. Then he gamed the U.S. election the same way, and again won with a miserable minority.

But the trouble with comparing with Hitler, is that it's a cheap shortcut, and it bypasses all the actual facts and issues of the debate. Better to go through the points of the debate carefully and factually and logically, rather than to dismiss the opposition by saying "they're just like Hitler." If you do that, don't expect to win. The opposition may not be as stupid as you think.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:57 PM

Joe, if you the look at the numbers killed by both sides in the Israeli/Palestine conflict I think you will find that Israel use considerably more rockets than Palestine.

However they can afford to thanks to American financial backing.

If you doubt that statement check the figures for American contribution to both states.

Your Government over many years, not just the present one, have paid towards this conflict.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:54 PM

Ake, whose arse is Steve licking?

Sure as hell feels like he's kicking mine....

again.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:52 PM

Steve, I've asked Jim to do this and I ask you: take a look at the "International Battalions" thread and tell us who first brought up the "Jew-hater" issue in the thread and what date and time it was brought up. I do not deny that calling somebody a "Jew-hater" is unacceptable - but there's really not much that moderators can do about such name-calling.

What I question, is who took the "Jew-hater" issue over to the "Battalions" thread, and what did it have to do with the topic of discussion?

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:44 PM

*Sigh*

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:43 PM

Aye Steve I think we are all aware that you are an arse licker.
You just couldn't help giving yourself away, and anyone who repeats or refers to personal messages on an internet forum is not worth a fart.

That is a capital offence in my personal rule book.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:39 PM

Israel is a complex situation, and it deserves honest and open discussion instead of a constant clash of already-determined positions. Once upon a time, when Israel had a Labor government, it was the darling of the liberals. Recently, its governments have been to the right of center, but an unrecognized problem is that the government has control because of its alliance with a tiny party that will not allow any gesture of reconciliation with the Palestinians. And it's this tiny party that is constructing the "settlements" in Palestinian territory. Most Israelis hate the expense of defending those settlements, but they feel they've been forced to accept them.

And the Palestinians have had leaders who are as opposed to reconciliation, as are the extremist Israelis. And so the Palestinians fight with rockets and the Israelis with bulldozers. And an impossible situation continues. Most of the people on both sides are wonderful people, stuck between a rock and a hard place.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:38 PM

And how nice it must feel to have akenaton on your side.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:37 PM

"The rest of us saw that "Jew Hater" reference, and it didn't make any sense to us because we hadn't seen the previous argument."

What utter nonsense. It has been brought to your intention repeatedly, not least by me in private messages, and we have discussed both the expression and the detestable character of the person who USES the expression. In fact, I believe I've discussed it with three moderators. It's no use trying to turn it back on those of us who protest at the use of the term. The blame for the extended spat lies squarely with the person who USES it and with those of you who are reluctant to defend us from such vile nastiness. OK, you've made it abundantly clear that you don't like us. It's beginning to be clear that that is why you won't stop him. Take a minute and have a think. Think about how hateful the expression is when levelled against people who are NO SUCH THING.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:36 PM

The voice of reason, Joe Offer.

I doubt it will make any difference here though, too many people have too much of their ideology invested here to make rational thought an option.

Jim is simply a ranting dinosaur egged on by the little band of "acolytes"....I would call them something else and it rhymes.
He reminds me of "Il duce".....I could just see him addressing the proletariat from the balcony.....:0)

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:33 PM

Joe - I don't think it's as simplistic as that these days...

whatever lies in the hearts of folk who choose a 'far right' path..
whatever names we give that 'dark force'..
their religion is immaterial.....

As a bloke with polish jewish ancestory on my mums side,
I accept that it is credible and justifiable to compare the extremes of far right Israeli politicians to 'nazi Germany'...

Certain person with names beginning with bob..

might then accuse me of being a self hating jew, but not even a real jew at that..
Therefore I must be an anti semite...????

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:26 PM

"As to Israel, you are likewise repetitive and ALWAYS negative. You and your acolytes."

"Your little hangers-on don't have much to say, they are just remoras waiting to feed on the angry scrappers you draw."

"I try to shed more light than heat, but you repeat yourself ad nauseum."

Well, the first two extracts show what a failure you are when it comes to the third. Your posts are both superficial in content and condescending in tone. You are absolutely part of the problem. All heat, no light.

And it's ad nauseam, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:15 PM

I'm not moralizing here, Jim - I'm only saying what works and what doesn't. If you bring previous arguments and bad feelings into a different thread, it doesn't work.

Go to the "Brigades" thread and tell me who was the first person to make mention of "Jew Hater" there. Tell me the date and time of the post, and the name of the person who poste it. The rest of us saw that "Jew Hater" reference, and it didn't make any sense to us because we hadn't seen the previous argument.

And Jim, there's a longstanding principle in debate that precedes the Internet: If you have to refer to Nazi Germany to defend your point of view in a debate, you've run out of logic and lost the debate. If you refer to Nazi Germany in criticizing Jews or Israel, you've both lost the debate and said something anti-Semitic.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 01:02 PM

"I've found your posts to be informative at times. "
And I yours - they are not the problem - it's the "Jew hater" invective that degenerated into mudslinging
"The Dominant Forces hadn't seen the "Jew Hater" debate finished to their satisfaction in previous threads"
And it never will be Joe until it is qualified or withdrawn and apologised for - and all the holier-than thou - nuffin' to do wiv me guv, postings in the world are not going to make one iota of difference.
That basic, totally unproven piece of obscenity (to those of us who care about the Jewish People rather than the regime that claims to represent them) is something that should not be allowed on these pages any more than any other slur should.
When it comes from a mod it becomes more unpalatable
This thread is rapidly dividing into those who want to change and those who wish to continue to extract their pound of flesh
As Jeri says, it's gonna get closed - pity
im Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 12:46 PM

Oh, and it really makes discussion impossible when people bring their past squabbles over from previous threads. The Dominant Forces hadn't seen the "Jew Hater" debate finished to their satisfaction in previous threads, so they brought it over to the "Brigades" thread. I think that's what killed the "Brigades" thread, more than anything.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 12:37 PM

I usually stay out of the BS threads because they really are horrible, but every once in a while I dive in and see if I can sway the thing into making sense.

I tried that Saturday in the "International Brigades" thread, and I got in a whole peck of trouble. Hell, somebody even wrote a song about me. I used only logic and the truth. I didn't use my "delete" button at all, because I don't think it's fair to edit a thread if I'm participating.

It appears to me that there are well-intentioned people who see the BS Forum as the site of an epic battle between Good and Evil, and they're going to make sure that Good wins every time. There is no room for questioning, or for opposing opinions. If the Bad Guys speak, whatever they say must be objectionable, and must be beaten down.

It's a shame, but this necessity for Good to win over Evil, leaves no room for discussion. There's all sorts of interesting stuff that could be discussed about the International Brigades and the Spanish Civil War, but there's no room or time for that because the need for Good to win over Evil is all-important.

I wanted to talk in the "Brigades" thread about Franco and his obsession with the El Cid myth, but there was no room for that in the discussion. I wanted ask about Franco's popularity and how it was that he was able to rule for so long, but there was no room for that, either. I wanted to ask about the International Brigades and what motivated those untrained soldiers to travel to Spain to fight a war they probably couldn't understand. And there's so much more we could have talked about, if only people were willing to allow discussion, and questioning, and opposing views. And I wonder if it might be possible for a poster to be mistaken about something, without being beaten to a pulp by the dominant forces.

Take a look at the International Brigades thread, and take the time to analyze the dynamics of what went on there.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 12:26 PM

This meta thread is gonna get closed, but how to deal with pool pissers: I think a few of them should be allowed to post in music only.

Otherwise, there's an old proverb that ends with "the wold who wins is the one you feed". This is why only a handful of people post in BS these days. People don't want to play with the bad kids, bullies, and obsessive fuckwits when what they want to talk about is Doctor Who or recipes for cornbread or holidays or...you-name-it.

I'm out.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 12:06 PM

Jim:

I've found your posts to be informative at times. Your repetitiveness in citing the Soviet screed of the thirties through sixties has dulled your perceptions of the present day. The recent thread going back eighty years to rescue some sense of purpose from the "International Brigades" is not your cause alone, so there are plenty of others seeking some sense of purpose out of bygone eras. All I do is point it out.

As to Israel, you are likewise repetitive and ALWAYS negative. You and your acolytes. You reveal yourselves by your posts, not by those who oppose you, blunt though they may be.

On a different level, you don't acknowledge it, but I've worked hard in my posts to actually talk to you. Look 'em over, I've expressed myself in effin' PARAGRAPHS. And you've responded with 'blasts' Sentences that look like spaghetti. You are spouting, not listening. You lack of self-awareness gives me pause. Your little hangers-on don't have much to say, they are just remoras waiting to feed on the angry scrappers you draw.

I haven't the power to do more than post into these threads. Others have obviously grown tired of the back-and-forth of blame and counter-blame. I try to shed more light than heat, but you repeat yourself ad nauseum.

You also seem to believe in having the last word. You are welcome to it. Unless the last word has a shred of wisdom, it simply reveals intransigence.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 11:59 AM

This looks like religion and not politics. They are both deadly but even a dog can tell the difference between the two.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 11:50 AM

by reminding you that most of the great scientists of yesteryear were creationists

Dear God In Heaven.............so to speak.

That's right pete, and before that they were shamans and witch-burners and flat-earthists and alchemists trying to change lead into gold.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 11:46 AM

Name them. And the ones who weren't. You said most. So let's be having it.

I didn't mention evolution-ism either. The unhyphenated version of that word is not in my lexicon.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 11:36 AM

I did not even mention evolutionism Steve , but since YOU did , I will reply to your idea that creation detracts from science by reminding you that most of the great scientists of yesteryear were creationists , and it did not hinder them one iota

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 11:26 AM

nag carp kvetch and retch, hard ball complainers will always complain

BUT

I have a solution. It will create a dilution of the insults.

it will eliminate closures to avoid potential law suits.

The solution will reduce to jut one tory argument thread.

It will reduce the 187 Trump threads to one.

It will dilute the misgivings of consumers and moderators


&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&.

THE SOLUTION IS THE ONE "FATHER OF ALL POLITICS" Thread.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&


If it is political it goes here.

If a separate political thread is started it will be closed!

WWIII threads can be an exception to instant closure but they won't live long anyway.

A mother of all BS is a kind and warm hearted to a point.
The Father of all Politics is like real fathers, more hard edged ,
and to a degree ignored. Insults from children will be far between many more posts and subjects. If you want to call each other nmes go to private messages if you must. Be warned there are laws to protect internet users that did not exist 15 years ago. US Laws will be obeyed.

Carp if you want but the solution of a Father of all polities is simplicity itself. The honor of founding the FATHER OF ALL POLITICS may go to Akenaton for all I care.

You have my idea mods and founders. Please give guidance and new rules if you wish to try this experiment with a separate announcement/

Replies to this idea re indeed welcome. A one person one vote may be helpful.
I am sure we cab share our toys in one sand box.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 11:02 AM

I'll just add before I go out to the shops..

A healthy sense of humour is essential..

...especially self deprecating humour...

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 11:01 AM

Very helpful Robo - I can see you intend to make an effort - coming from a another "Jew hater" purveyor - pretty rich
Can we at least call a tuce and make an effort - if not, this forum is well and truely a dead parrot
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 10:55 AM

Jim:


POT. KETTLE.

To the mods:

We ain't perfekt. But do the best you can and let the bleating go on. What is a bridge without a troll?

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 10:42 AM

Cleaning up our acts would mean a damn sight more than just dropping the belligerence. A number of posters here have a deeply-ingrained habit of misrepresenting what other people say and trying to pull the wool over our eyes. There's a classic case of that going on right now in the Labour Party thread. Brace yourself if you're thinking of visiting. You sometimes have to ask yourself which comes first, the deliberate and frustrating dissembling or the shouting match...

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 10:37 AM

Keith
Nobody is trying to make this an argument
Bobad's behaviour has been specified and is beyond dispute - not even he has denied it; he justifies it by saying others behave the same
We all need to clean up our acts - including you
Please don't make this another war - lets all clean up our acts eh?
Bullies come in all shapes and sizes - "some rob you with a six-gun.....!!"
Jim Carrroll

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 10:35 AM

Keith... yes that standardised right wing 'party line'.. decrying "the gang of lefty bullies"...!!!

That age old right wing ploy of trying to discredit and marginalise any left and progressive moderates opposition...


We know what your lot are doing... it's that obvious... 😣

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 10:26 AM

Steve, I disagree with your assessment of Bobad and Joe, and would say that your posts on political threads create a "hostile atmosphere" by your belligerence and nastiness to anyone who dares to disagree with you, and your gang of bullies who all turn on anyone who disagrees with any of you.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 10:21 AM

No conspiracy there. Pfr and I cross posted.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 10:19 AM

It's perfectly clear that bobad has no place on this forum. Every intervention he makes below the line creates a hostile atmosphere. I'm sick of one mod in particular blaming the "mess" on the rest of us, even suggesting that we may after all be Jew haters (!) and pretending that nothing can be done because we respond. I can't imagine any decent human being failing to respond to being called a Jew hater, Joe Offer. If that behaviour isn't sanctioned by the people who run the forum then they can scarcely criticise anyone else's behaviour, because it doesn't get as bad as that. I'm beginning to suspect that the mod in question is actually enjoying this unseemly spectacle so that he can eventually turn the thing right round, making bobad look like the injured innocent he most definitely isn't, and childishly blaming the whole sorry mess on his usual suspects, disingenuously wringing his hands as he goes. I can't think of anything more downright despicable that bobad's throwing around of the term Jew hater at the merest hint of any standpoint on the Middle East he disagrees with. He wouldn't survive ten seconds in any pub I've ever been in with talk like that, and I only ever go into nice pubs. You can't mend him. His permanent removal would sweeten the atmosphere here immeasurably. And that's a promise.

Steve (lifelong campaigner against racism in all its guises and about as far removed from being a Jew hater as it's possible to be)

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 10:05 AM

I don't know if bobad is for real, or a role play constructed persona with sole aim of winding up over serious lefties and liberals...???

But I do know that bobad as presented here in our debates
is one of the most loathsome disruptive mudcatters I have ever encountered...

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:59 AM

Aaand... they're off and running!

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:50 AM

Disingenuous, Pete. If your views on evolution, and on the honesty of scientific endeavour in general, were to prevail widely they would cause enormous damage to science. The cause of science in schools in many parts of the US is seriously damaged by views like yours, which I regard as ignorant and seriously misguided, achieving ascendancy. I don't mind hearing views different to mine but when those views are uninformed and expressed in a manner dismissive and critical of the other side they are simply vexatious. And I think it's perfectly fine to say so. We are all grown-ups, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:50 AM

No I have been screaming nothing
I have used all thes tems very occaionally at the heigt of arguments when insults are being thrown about but I do not make it a knee-jerk response to anything, as you do
You actually made it your first post in the now closed thread on Israel " a chance for the Jew haters" - that has nor become a regular technique
I've already said we all need to clean upi our acts - you have described that as bullying - an indication that you have no intention of cleaning up yours.
Most of those terms are perfectly valid in arguments - "Islamophobe", "racist", "fascist" "bigot" being typical of those that are both clearly definable and debatable in context
I refuse to open the debate of definitions that have been made invalid by you and others by your selecting the bits that suit you and ignoring the bits that don't
Associating the actions of the Israeli Government is a defined example of antisemitism - you do that every time you scream "Jew hater" whenever someone criticises Israeli policy
If you attempt to pick-'n-mix your definitions they are automatically made invalid
Do a deal with you Bobad, you clean up your act and I'll cleean up mine
I have no problem with arguing calmly with those I disagree with as long as that argument is conducted in a civilised manner - so far, that seems to be beyond your capabilities - ask any humanitarian, liberal, reasonable member you have ever screamed "Jew hater" at
Enough is enough - you have long gonr beyond the pale
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:38 AM

I don't remember anyone calling Jew hater, but I do know there has been nasty talk by all sides . And to complicate things further , it don't matter how polite a poster might be , if one of an opposite view comments , they will be accused of being nasty just for having a different view.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:32 AM

You have been screaming "Jew hater" for as long as I can remember

And you have been screaming "Nazi", "storm trooper", "jack booter", "Islamophobe", "bigot", "racist", "fascist" etc. as long as I can remember.

And don't forget comparing Israel and Israeli policy to that of the Nazis is anti-Semitic and anyone who does that is an anti-Semite.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:25 AM

Hi

It's started again !!

Set my stopwatch ..........tic toc

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 09:09 AM

"This is the aim of this little gang of bullies "
No Bobad - is part of cleaning up all our acts
You have been screaming "Jew hater" for as long as I can remember
If you belive that is reasonable debate, you have no place on any forum or anywhere in civilised society
You have been warned consistently yet you persist
That is mob-chant, not honest respectful debate
We all get angry on occaion - you have developed you hate-postings as a form of suppressing debate
It has destroyed threads and if you aer allowed to persist it will destroy this forum in my opinion
THere are no "Jew haters" on this forum, there never have been and the common decency of most of the members ensure that there never will be
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 08:53 AM

See what I mean, Eliza?

:-(

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 08:48 AM

Says the Troll-King. Unbelievable.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: bobad
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 08:43 AM

A final warning and then expulsion would clean out this particular Augean Stable

This is the aim of this little gang of bullies who have all but destroyed this forum by having driven off most of the regulars. Get rid of all those who oppose their ideologies so that they can remain free to indulge in their circle jerk of self righteousness without having to deal with dissenting voices that challenge them. It's too bad, this used to be a fun and friendly place until they took it over.

Subject: RE: BS: NO-go subjects on Mudat
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 17 - 07:50 AM

Which brings us nicely back to Jim's opening post :-) No point in laying blame. No point in saying who is worse. No point in 'who started it'. It is who stops it that matters!

DtG