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Single Name Basis

catspaw49 02 Dec 07 - 01:47 PM
Bainbo 02 Dec 07 - 01:30 PM
autolycus 02 Dec 07 - 01:30 PM
Bainbo 02 Dec 07 - 01:29 PM
topical tom 02 Dec 07 - 01:09 PM
katlaughing 02 Dec 07 - 10:13 AM
Azizi 02 Dec 07 - 07:56 AM
s&r 02 Dec 07 - 07:25 AM
autolycus 02 Dec 07 - 07:22 AM
s&r 02 Dec 07 - 07:20 AM
Azizi 02 Dec 07 - 07:03 AM
autolycus 02 Dec 07 - 04:30 AM
Azizi 01 Dec 07 - 08:05 PM
Bill D 01 Dec 07 - 07:19 PM
Jack Campin 01 Dec 07 - 06:36 PM
Dan Keding 01 Dec 07 - 03:06 PM
HuwG 01 Dec 07 - 02:31 PM
Ebbie 01 Dec 07 - 01:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: catspaw49
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 01:47 PM

I see no "one name" wonder any more important on this thread than the aforementioned............

SPAW


Thank You...Thank You...Thank You Very Much!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Bainbo
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 01:30 PM

That should be ... his (assumed) surname ...


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: autolycus
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 01:30 PM

Segovia (Andres) was only the first and maybe greatest modern-day guitarist.

Bach
monteverdi
Verdi
Cowper
newton
Macchiwhatsit
Shelley
Worsworth
Dryden
Wren
Woody
Groucho
Byron

)I really must go)

Alkan
Berlioz
Eisenstein
Cocteau
Kurasawa
Harpo
Chico
Fonteyn
Broonzy

(only another 10,000 to go.)(As I must)

    Ivor


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Bainbo
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 01:29 PM

As well as the already-mentioned Garbo, studio bosses decided Karloff was well enough known that only his (assumed) name need be used on posters. I think they did the same with Lugosi, too.

BTW, on the horror movie theme, I think that Nosferatu (in George's message, 01 Dec 07 - 06:34 AM) refers to a date in the calendar, rather than the character. The vampire in that film was called Graf Orlock.


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: topical tom
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 01:09 PM

1. What's the name of The Lone Ranger's sidekick? Tonto2.

2. What's the name of the American television detective who likes lollipops {suckers}? Kojak


3. What are the names of the two Sesame Street roomates whose characters are loosely based on the television show "The Odd Couple?"Ernie & Bert

5. What's the name of the big dragon who lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee?Puff

6. What are the names of the three folk singers who sang the song referred to in question #5?Peter, Paul & Mary7. What is the name of the Norse god of thunder?Thor8. What is the names of Shakespeare's two star crossed lovers?Romeo & Juliet9. What is the name of the Roman god of love and sex?Amor
10.What is the single name of Captain Kirk's second in command?Spock

-snip-


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 10:13 AM

Mozart
Beethoven
Puccini


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 07:56 AM

Stu, Cupid was the response to question #9 that I was originally thinking of, though Venus is also correct. In Roman mythology, Venus is Cupid's mother. But I can't remember who's Cupid's father...

??

Also, Stu thanks for your list of single name folks & characters.
I recognize all the names on that list except Offa and Segovia.

??

And does "Thatcher" refer to Margaret Thatcher, the UK's first female Prime Minister?

I guess the last names of most politicians could be on this list, though Senator Hillary Clinton is known by her first name and not her last name. I suppose that's because the last name "Clinton" is too closely associated with her husband, former President Bill Clinton.


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: s&r
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 07:25 AM

Boudicca
Offa
Cleopatra
Tutakhamen
Thatcher
Dickens
Tolstoy
Marx
Lenin
Segovia
Sinbad
Hercules


Stu


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: autolycus
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 07:22 AM

Hi Azizi.

Is it Mrs.Ramsbottom of Stoke-on-Trent.

btw, thought I try without looking anything up.

We'll have to wait for the others to wake up. And get up.   Ck!

   Ivor


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: s&r
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 07:20 AM

Cupid

Stu


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 07:03 AM

Hello, Ivor, my Gemini rising Cancerian friend!

All four of the answers you provided for the Single Name Basics questions are correct.

However, I was actually thinking about another correct response to question #9. Can you or anyone else provide the other correct answer to that question?

And here's another question that occurred to me this morning:

11. What is the single name of the soulful singer who sang about the sweetest taboo?


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: autolycus
Date: 02 Dec 07 - 04:30 AM

1. Tonto

7. Thor

8. Romeo and Juliet

9. Venus

    Re Thor,

The thunder god went for a ride
Upon his favourite filly
"I'm Thor," he cried
The nag replied,
"You forgot your thaddle, thilly."

Ivor


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 08:05 PM

My initial sentence to this thread is "What famous persons can you think of who are known by a single name -whether that single name is their first name, last name, or nickname?"

Given that sentence, it's possible that a person's full name could be known. However, I was {am} more interested in folks helping to compile a list of famous people who are most often known by one name or nickname/stage name.

As I mentioned, this subject has been expanded to include famous fictional characters. I'm cool with that. As a matter of fact, I asked a question upthread about the single name of a fictitious character who is known for the saying "Exit. Stage right". Nobody's posted that answer yet. I know the answer, but I thought it would add to the fun to ask game questions.

This thread list also includes examples of single names of real animals/living creatures and fictitious animals. Since this thread is all in fun, that's cool with me too [not that it matters a hill of beans whether whatever someone posts on this thread is cool with me or not].

So in the spirit of fun & games, here's some additional Single Name Basis questions:

1. What's the name of The Lone Ranger's sidekick?

2. What's the name of the American television detective who likes lollipops {suckers}?

3. What are the names of the two Sesame Street roomates whose characters are loosely based on the television show "The Odd Couple?"

4. What is the name of the black caped wearing sword fighting American television character?

5. What's the name of the big dragon who lived by the sea and frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee?

6. What are the names of the three folk singers who sang the song referred to in question #5?

7. What is the name of the Norse god of thunder?

8. What is the names of Shakespeare's two star crossed lovers?

9. What is the name of the Roman god of love and sex?

10.What is the single name of Captain Kirk's second in command?

-snip-

If you post an answer to a question or questions listed above, please include the number of the question you are responding to, or cut & paste the question itself.

Additional questions are welcome. If you add a question, don't number it as that might get confusing. Instead, it would be most helpful if anyone responding to un-numbered questions would provide the question first.

Hopefully, if people feel like playing, this might work as well as the questions/responses on these threads from 2006:


thread.cfm?threadid=92459&messages=509
Name That Mudcatter

and

thread.cfm?threadid=92840
Name That Mudcatter II


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 07:19 PM

¥


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 06:36 PM

Some of these examples are a bit feeble - sure there are cases of people whose first name is forgotten by most of the people who remember them at all, but anyone who wanted to know about the origin of the Radon-Nikodym Theorem could find out who Radon and Nikodym were easily enough.

Mantovani is more like it - Wikipedia found his first names, but he never used them in public that I know of and even the official Mantovani website doesn't mention them.

Sukarno is the real deal. He only had one name.


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Dan Keding
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 03:06 PM

Hannibal - from Carthage not the other one
          with the odd diet
Churchill
Seabisquit - do horses have last names? If not that opens up a lot of
             possibilities
Lassie - same thing as horses
Garfield - ditto for cartoon/comic strip characters

In the storytelling world most everyone knows who you mean when you say 'Donald' or 'Jackie' or 'Harley' or 'Elizabeth' - there are several 'one namers' around in that world.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: HuwG
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 02:31 PM

"Dylan" isn't company-dependent. Dylan Thomas is always referred to by both given names. Bob Dylan is always referred to by my acquaintances as "Mr. Zimmerman". "Dylan" by itself is understood to be the rabbit on the "Magic Roundabout".

How about:

"Branagh"
"Leadbelly"


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 01:23 PM

Bono
Liberace


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 12:59 PM

The only one I can think of immediately that I don't think I saw mentioned is the famous cross-dresser:

"Lassie"

For generic "group names" there's (phonetically):

damyankee

damdemocrat

and godamrepublican

but that's probably stretching the concept, although they are recognized one word "names" where I've been recently.

John


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: topical tom
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 12:36 PM

Valdy
       Titian
       Botticelli
       Garibaldi
       Michelangelo
       Cicero
       Plato
       Aristotle
       Confucius
       Buddha
       Jesus
       Napoleon

       I never realized there are so many!I'm sorry if I repeated some.


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 10:19 AM

The distinction needs to be made between:

<> people who were known by their complete name at the height of their fame but who became one-namers in retrospect

and

<> people who always had a one-name professional moniker.


EXAMPLES

PELE, for example, I think always was known by that name in his visible career. LANCE (Armstrong), on the other hand, didn't become a one-namer until almost the end of his career, and he certainly never called himself by that one-word name professionally.

Example: CHER was Cher's official stage name: picture the marquee in Vegas. CELINE is probably still billed on the marquee as CELINE DION. wE PRETEND TO BE ON FAMILIAR TERMS WITH OUR STARS NOWADAYS, SO IN CONVERSATION ONE MIGHT REFER TO celine (SORRY CAPSLOCK)

One might refer now informally to CELINE, meaning Celine Dion, but she doesn't bill herself that way like MADONNA bills herself by just one name.

Sports heroes, ditto. Michael Jordan would never have referred to himself by one name professionally. But sportscasters nowadays, referring to a great of the past, often do.

Ditto Einstein. The dropping of the first name is a sign of respect for the magnitude of the achievement, but he didn't bill himself that way.


Ditto Letterman and Leno. You know who I mean, but you also know they don't sign checks or contracts that way. I bet Madonna does though, and I bet she had to go to court to make it legal, too.

~Susan

PS Note capping for clarity in typography, not meant as shouting.


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 09:58 AM

Hmmm.

I was trying to make the "S" "a" "t" "a" "n" in the sentence "Say it ain't so" bold, but my change-the-font skills weren't up to it.

In other words, I wasn't down on [how to do] that.


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: autolycus
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 09:57 AM

This Gemini rising Cancerian also likes lists. I- er - ahem (coughs politely) - er - have books of lists. THERE. I've said it. (I'll put the jokwe I've just remembered on the jokw thread.)

Mahler, Beethoven, Gershwin,Rodgers (I may be a while), Kern, Wilde, Shaw (positive), Schubert, Elgar, Swarbrick, Carthy, Keats, AUTOLYCUS (notice no-one mentioned him), Rossini, Chaucer, Harmer, Lipatti, Patti, Caruso, ("'I can't go on. I must go on.'"), [Must you]
Anyway, any number of composers, authors,performers. Most (reasonably) famous people are known by one name.

Btw, i know, from the above lists and mentions, more than one Churchill, Attila, Hector, homer,Alexander, Sonny,Dylan - ah, just re-read thread title, and withdraw my comment (without crossing it out, just in case.)

Now if it were people who in some sense have only one name............................................


    Ivor


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 09:54 AM

gnu, you were joking? Say it aint so!

Btw, "Bealsabob" Beelzebub [Ba'al Zebûb] is a good one!

I mean it's bad, man!

[The word "bad" here meaning "bad" bad, and also "bad" good]


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: gnu
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 09:24 AM

It was a joke. Both times. Just being a Bealzabob.


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 08:42 AM

gnu, in the context of the name "Saint Patrick", the word "Saint" is a title.

When I started this thread I was thinking of famous people who are known by just one name.

Famous people has been expanded to "famous characters" which still fits the spirit and intent of this thread.

My definition for "one name" is a single name/nickname that isn't prefaced by {with?} a title.

I appreciate your post, but if we open up this list to all those famous people whose first name or last name is prefaced by {with?} a title, there goes the neighborhood.

Just kidding about that neighborhood statement. After all, our neighborhood is already mud ;o)


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Stu
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 08:31 AM

Pele

Ali

Fish (singer)

Swarb


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: gnu
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 08:27 AM

"Saint" is a name?


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 08:21 AM

Well, bobad, I guess if Yardbird counts as one word than maybe Van Gogh counts as one word two-I mean too :o}

Hey, whadda ya expect? I have a Virgo rising and my Mars is in Virgo. According to astrology, those sign placements mean that I like to make lists [check].

According to astrology, those sign placements also mean that I can be very nit picky critical. That's what the astrology charts say. But it ain't necessarily so.

Umm, well, maybe, sometimes, not often but every little once in a while when the spirit moves me...Okay okay.

I'll stop with the comments about other people's entries.

But I didn't mean any harm 'cause I'm a Sagittarius sun with my Jupiter and Mercury in Sagittarius and an Aquarius moon.

[Now that I've inserted some astrology into this thread, "I'm gonna exit stage right"].

Btw, that "Exit stage right" saying is associated with a cartoon character with a single name. Who knows that name?


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 08:07 AM

Here's a one word nickname that Jazz enthusiasts will recognize:

Yardbird

And here's a link to a YouTube video of trumpeter and singer Dizzy [Gillespie] and saxophonist Charlie {Yardbird} Parker :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvCDCOGzGc&feature=related
Charlie Parker & Dizzy Gillespie play "Hot House"


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: bobad
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 07:44 AM

Van Gogh


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 07:18 AM

Machiavelli


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 07:16 AM

Alex, I think "Kong" is kinda stretching it-but then again maybe you call "King Kong" by the name "Kong" so what do I know.

**

Here's another entry for our list:

RuPaul


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 07:13 AM

There's also

Sting

and

Seal

I guess they'd be considered part of the "Pop" music genre, but I'm not sure.

**

Speaking of music, I could have sworn that I had intended this thread to be in the music/folk culture section of Mudcat threads.

But it's all good,'cause I like to muddy the line {so to speak} by adding music links and/or lyrics to BS threads whenever possible.

For instance, Dan Keding gave us the name "Odetta".

I just love Odetta.

Here's a link to an Odetta YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOGXiYruaug
"Careless Love"-Odetta


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Alec
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 07:09 AM

Adam
Eve
Moses
He-after-whom-a-teddy-bear-was-named-who-I-shall-abstain-from-naming-so-as-not-to-incite-fanatics
Gladstone
Disraeli
Lincoln
Ike
"Dubya"
Madonna
Santa
Satan
Dracula
Frankenstein
Kong
Godzillla


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 07:00 AM

gnu, "Saint Patrick" is two names.

But maybe you call him Patrick, and that being the case, cool!


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 06:58 AM

Thanks for the wide range of single names of famous people!

Here's some other single name singers/performers that I don't think have been mentioned yet:

R&B:

Beyonce'

Babyface

Usher

Nelly

Brandy

Omarion

Michel'le

Mya

Shanice

De'Angelo

Hip-Hop:
Hammer {Mc Hammer}

Ashanti

Common {full stage name Common Sense}

Dre {but which one?}

Dancehall Reggae:
Shabba {Shabba Ranks}

Patra

Shaggy

and a whole lot more!

-snip-

You'll notice that these names aren't in alphabetical order, unlike the impressive, alphabetized list that a certain Mudcatter posted upthread. I won't mention that poster's name, but it starts with a "M" and nexts to that letter comes a "y".

Go'n with ya bad* self!

:o}

* "bad" here means "good".


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 06:34 AM

Quasimodo
Spartacus
Nosferatu
Nostradamus


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: gnu
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 06:32 AM

Saint Patrick.


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 05:59 AM

Joe


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Nick
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 05:59 AM

Satchmo
Bird
Dizzy
Duke

Santa

Mephistopheles


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Fran
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 05:44 AM

Lulu


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Mysha
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 05:29 AM

Hi,

Now that you mention it:
Dave.
                                                                   Mysha


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Melissa
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 04:32 AM

did anyone say Donovan?


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Darowyn
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 04:27 AM

Sticking to music only, no one has yet mentioned Melanie and Dion- both authentic one name artists. So was Fabian, but less memorably.
Cheers
Dave


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Melissa
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 02:38 AM

Einstein
Oprah
Tesla
Spielberg

Hitler
Oswald
Manson

Adam
Eve
etc...

Dolly
Waylon
Willie
(and so on)

Gucci
Clapton
Leadbelly
Pinochio and Cujo

apologies for duplicates..


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Mysha
Date: 01 Dec 07 - 01:11 AM

Hi,

There are quite a few monarchs with nicknames like "the Great", etc. But, though these aren't last names, they are indeed names, so I guess those people would not go by a single name.

"Dylan" might be company dependent. Is this Dylan Thomas, or Bob Dylan? (Sorry, apparently I "ain't got no culture.")

Einstein

Hm, having played chess, to me
Euwe, Capablanca, Karpov, Kasparov, Spasski, Philidor, Morphy, Staunton, Lasker, and Botvinik are all single name people, but to others this might be different.

Likewise from other fields of interest,
Ampère, Amundsen, Archimedes, Aristotle, Bach, Beethoven, Bell, Benz, Buhda, Caesar, Chaplin, El Cid, Copernicus, Dante, Darwin, Debussy, Defoe, Diesel, Disney, Donatello, Doppler, Dürer, Edison, Eli, Engels, Escher, Euclid, Euler, Fermat, Fibonnacy, Ford, Galilei, Gawain, Gödel, Goethe, Van Gogh, Greystoke, Grieg, Gutenberg, Hertz, Hitchcock, Hyawata, Huxley, Huygens, Isolde, Kafka, Lancelot, Lee, Lenin, Lineaus, Lorenz, Luther, Mandelbrot, Marx, Matisse, Mendelev, Mendelsohn, Mengele, Michelangelo, Mohamed, Morded, Morse, Mozart, Mozes, Murphy, Nansen, Nelson, Newton, Nietsche, Ohm, Oppenheim, Orwell, Pascal, Pasteur, Picasso, Pocahontas, Poe, Polansky, Plato, Pythagoras, Ravel, Rembrandt, Ruth, Sandokan, Simenon, de Sitter, Socrates, Sophocles, Spinoza, Stalin, Stoker, Tolkien, Tolstoi, Tristan, Tsjaikovski, Volt, Wagner, Washington, Watt, Wells, and Zelazny.
(Was much more spontaneous than it looks, but I had to alphabetise them, as I had some doubles.)

Where I live this would also include
Brugman, Bartjens, Kok, Den Uyl, Lely, Aafjes, Van Gulik, Havank, Koster, Vance, Spijker, Fokker, Drees, Troelstra, Cals, Schenk, Multatuli, Verkerk, and Van Dale.

Of course, there's a large number of people that are know by their title plus one name. Also, there's a large number of duos that go by only two names, or brothers that together go only by one name. But those strictly speaking would be on other lists.

One more single name:

                                                                Mysha


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: GUEST,Nerd
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 11:58 PM

Jim Krause's list is interesting, because

John
Paul
George
Ringo

only works as a set. If you simply said "I saw Paul on TV yesterday," or "one of my favorite songs is by John," no-one would know who you meant.

Ringo, of course, is different. "My favorite caveman movie is the one with Ringo in it" is perfectly comprehensible!


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Celtaddict
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 11:43 PM

Dylan.
Shakespeare.


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Subject: RE: Single Name Basis
From: Dan Keding
Date: 30 Nov 07 - 11:36 PM

Odetta
Tamerlane
Attila
Achilles
Hector
Homer -- actually quite a lot of Greeks & Romans
Alexander - the Great does not constitute a last name!
Augustus
Nero
Caesar
Lincoln - not a Greek or a Roman or even a Ford
Kurasawa - also not a Greek or Roman
Che
Fidel
Sonny   - Cher's friend
Chuck - as in Norris- also not a Greek or a Roman but he did conquer
         both empires.
Daley - if you're from Chicago no need to ask!

This is fun!!!

Dan


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