Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Lighter
Date: 16 May 18 - 11:39 AM

Much like Lomax's "Sam Bass" is the version appearing in the "Oregonian" of Portland (Apr. 1, 1917). It was "Contributed by George L. Foster, of Dryad, Washington."

The only notable differences are:

"a teamster for to be"

"for he always drank 'red liquor'"

"a wilder bunch of cowboys"

"Joel Collins"

"they quickly met their doom"

"Four bolder, braver cowboys/ The ranchers never knew"

"Now Sam he is a corpse,/ And 'Piper's' under clay"

"And the only way he saw to win"

"Oh, won't there be a roundup / When Gabriel blows his horn!"

Lomax's final stanza is missing.

The Oregonian calls the song "a Texas classic."

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Louie Roy
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 11:17 PM

She was missed by all who knew her a wonderful person and a true friend
Louie Roy

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 08:44 PM

Guest James;
I regret to tell you that Katlaughing, who was a mainstay of the Mudcat and the one who offered those recordings, passed away just short of three years ago. A bunch of us here still miss her.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: GUEST,James Barham
Date: 06 Jul 16 - 10:49 AM

Are you still making and selling the CD's of cowboy songs?

If you are I would like to buy them.

Thanks,
James in Texas
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Melissa
Date: 19 Aug 09 - 03:22 AM

With a family reunion in the Sandhills to look forward to (next year) I've been thinking a lot about green kool-aid, hollyhocks, asparagus hunting, branding time..and cowboys.
These cds are providing a fine soundtrack for all that thinking.

In this current round of listening, I got enchanted by 'for if your bovine goes lengthwise' when it caught my ear.
It won't be long before I'm romping around singing "If Your Saddle is Good and Tight"

Thanks again, Kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 05:17 PM

Thanks for pulling that all together, AC! And, for the lyrics. You should be receiving yours any day, now. I got your check and the info and lyrics plus tune! Thanks! I will plunk it out on my music keyboard this evening.

If any of you have not received your CDs by the end of next week, please send me a PM. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: Artful Codger
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 04:57 PM

JOLLY COPPERSMITH
C. Peter, 1890

1. I am the Jolly Coppersmith, / No one from care is free'r
So long as I have cash / To treat myself to beer,
I am the happiest man on earth / And sing both loud and long,
While each stroke of my hammer keeps / Time to my jovial song.

[ Wenn ich an meinem Ambos steh' und hämm're tüchtig d'rein,
und wenn mir nicht fehlet klein' Geld zu Bier und Wein,
dann bin ich der fidelste Mann, den man sich denken kann
und singe dann zum Ambosschlag, so laut ich singen kann: ]

[Chorus:]
La la la la...

2. And while I mend the pots and pans, / My sweetheart passes by
And peeps thro' the window / With looks so bright and shy,
The sunshine of her glances makes / Me "happy as a king,"
I care for no one, no, not I, / And that is why I sing.

[ Und schaut mein Schatz zum Fenster 'rein und lacht mich freundlich an,
so bin ich auf Erden der kreuzfidelste Mann!
Ihr Blick dringt mir wie Sonnenschein wohl in mein Herze dann,
ich hämm're auf mein Kupfer fein so lang ich hämmern kann! ]

3. And when my long day's work is done, / The moments quickly pass,
I sing to my sweetheart / And empty many a glass,
Thus day by day the hours roll by, / To me dull care's a myth,
I want no prouder title than / The Jolly Coppersmith!

[ Und will sich mir die Sorge nah'n ich klopf' ihr tüchtig auf,
und küsse mein Liebchen, und trink' ein Gläschen d'rauf!
Nicht Noth noch Sorge macht mir bang! Ich sing' ein munt'res Lied
und bleib' mein ganzes Leben lang der lust'ge Kupferschmied! ]

source: sheet music scan at Indiana University

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: Artful Codger
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 04:53 PM

Back on 24 Oct 04, Jim Dixon identified one recording as possibly:
"Marc Williams: Jesse James / Little Joe the Wrangler, Brunswick 269, 1928."
While this may be the source of "Little Joe the Wrangler" on the CDs, "Jesse James" (track 2.6) was sung by Harry McClintock; it's identical to the recording on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 2.

Similarly, I can confirm:
1.11 Big Rock Candy Mountain - Harry McClintock; also on O Brother, Where Art Thou
1.15 Goodbye, Old Paint - Harry McClintock; also on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 1
1.19 The Strawberry Roan - Paul Hamblin; also on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 2
2.9 Sam Bass - Harry McClintock; also on When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 1

Home on the Range (1.10): Ken Maynard sang and played this exactly the same way as Jules Allen (but up a step); see When I Was a Cowboy, Vol. 2. Don't know which came first.


Here's my reckoning of the attributions pulled together in this thread:
== CD 1 ==
1. Cowboy's Lament - sung by Harry "Haywire Mac" McClintock
2. I Learned About Women from Her - Frank Crumit; text: "The Ladies" by Rudyard Kipling
3. Peg Leg Jack - ? sung by Tex Morton; or Carson Robison and His Pioneers, 1929
4. If I Had My Druthers
5. Get Along, Little Dogies - sung by Harry McClintock, 1928
6. Here's to a Texas Ranger - sung by Carl T. Sprague, 1926
7. Lay Down, Dogies [cf. "Night Herding Song", written by Harry Stephens, c.1909]
8. Goin' Back to Texas
9. Days of '49 - sung by Jules Allen, 1928
10. Home on the Range - sung by Jules Allen, 1928
11. Big Rock Candy Mountain - Harry McClintock
12. A Tale of the Ticker - Frank Crumit, 1929
13. If Your Saddle Is Good and Tight - sung by Carl T. Sprague, 1926
14. Trail to Mexico - Harry McClintock, 1928
15. Goodbye, Old Paint - Harry McClintock
16. Little Joe, the Wrangler - ? Marc Williams, 1928; words: Howard N. "Jack" Thorp
17. Jack O'Diamonds [derived from "Rebel Soldier"]
18. Down by the Railroad Track - Frank Crumit
19. The Strawberry Roan - Paul Hamblin, 1930
20. King of Borneo - Frank Crumit, 1929
21. Under Dakota's Cross - sung by Paul Hamblin, 1930; by Wilf Carter?

== CD 2 ==
1. Abdul Abulbul Amir - sung by Frank Crumit, 1927; by Percy French, 1877
2. Return of Abdul Abulbul Amir - Frank Crumit, 1930
3. Dolan's Poker Party - Frank Crumit, 1928
4. Old Joe Clark
5. Jolly Coppersmith (Der Kreuzfidele Kupferschmied) - music by C. Peter, 1890
6. Jesse James - sung by Harry McClintock
7. Billy Venero - sung by Harry McClintock
8. Texas Rangers - sung by Harry McClintock
9. Sam Bass - sung by Harry McClintock
10. Old Chisolm Trail - sung by Harry McClintock
11. Frankie and Johnny - Frank Crumit, 1927
12. I'm Bettin' the Roll on Roamer - Frank Crumit, 1930
13. Ida Red
14. O'Hooligan's Ball - Frank Crumit, 1928
15. Bury Me Not on the Lone Prairie
16. Punchin' the Dough
17. Red River Valley
18. Jack of All Trades - sung by Bud Billings
19. Roving Gambler


Sheet music for "The King of Borneo" at the National Library of Australia. (They might have other Crumit songs.)

Sheet music for "Jolly Coppersmith" at the Indiana University Sheet Music Collections.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 19 Dec 08 - 02:52 AM

My copy arrived last week. Great stuff! Thank you Kat!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Dec 08 - 11:58 PM

open mike, I sent yours yesterday or the day before. Sorry I didn't post earlier.

Also, Ray and Mark, I forgot you were on my TO-DO list! My apologies! I will get yours out this weekend!

Anyone else?

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 04:46 PM

In this thread, Dick. Sorry, at the time I made the inserts, I didn't know for sure who was singing what. But, Mudcat being what it is, you will find it all in here, thanks to our really knowledgeable members!

Melissa...big smiles here, thanks!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 03:56 PM

And lovely recordings they are! One minor complaint, though--is there w way to find out who recorded what?

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Melissa
Date: 10 Dec 08 - 01:24 PM

Thanks Kat..lovely treasure!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Dec 08 - 12:20 AM

Thanks, Ray. I'll PM you in just a minute.

I am sending out a batch, tomorrow to the following people:

Melissa
Dick Greenhaus
maeve
Celtaddict
Spleen Cringe

Mark Ross, just sent you a PM, too.



Thanks, folks!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: DADGBE
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 11:36 AM

Hi Kat,

I'd sure like a copy! Let me know by PM where I can send the money.

Thanks,
Ray

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Dec 08 - 07:37 PM

Okay, I can come up for air...got the rough draft of the novel done! So, I have a note to myself that the following people want these two CDs:

maeve
Mark Ross
Celtaddict
Melissa
Dick Greenhaus

I think the price back when ten bucks to me for cost of the blanks, envelopes and postage. I don't really care if it's money or trade. If oyu have a CD you think I'd like or something else, let me know and we'll see if we can work something out. I've already agreed to that with a couple of folks.

Dick, yours will be comps...you deserve all the thanks I can give and it will never be enough for what you provide in the DT etc.

The rest of you, if you are still interested, please PM me with your mailing addys. I will ask you all to still be patient. It will take me a little bit to get up to speed what with homemade gifts and all, too.:-)

As near as I can tell, I have all of the cuts listed in this thread on my harddrive. I listened to all that were in the file folders I found while I was writing and they sure sounded good, again. It was kind of neat since I was working on the novel based on my dad's oral history and these 78s belonged to the grandparents I was writing about!

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 09:55 PM

Sure, Mark, be happy to, thanks.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: Mark Ross
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 09:53 PM

Count me in for a copy kat.


Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Nov 08 - 09:12 PM

Good news, folks. I have found the files on the external drive, transferred them to this PC and can make a few CDs come the first of the month when my novel is done. It's kind of neat, I am at the part in my novel which comes to the ranch my dad grew up on, listening to these old songs is really bringing it all to mind...lets my imagination go all out!**bg**

Anyway, I'll be in touch with ya'll after the end of the month and thanks for asking! I even found the artwork which includes a photo of my dad as a kid herding cattle with his dad.

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 11:12 PM

Good news! It looks as though I have the files on an external hard drive. I am going to be very busy until next Wednesday, at least, depending on how my novel start goes, plus our daughter's wedding party, and the election! So, be patient. I will get to this, folks!{g}

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:31 PM

HeyaDick, that sounds like a great idea! I have to find the files, first. I think I know which computer they are on. I'll send you a PM as soon as I find them, or give you a call.

Guest,Valerie, if you join Mudcat (it's free and your addy will not be sold/spammed!) I can send you a Personal Message with details. As you can see, it might take a little while to get these going again. If you are in a hurry for Under Dakota's Cross, the lyrics are available on Mudcat and I could probably put a file up on youtube or something which would get you the tune.

I also have to find the artwork I had for them; I think it's on the old computer which is still in operation, I hope!:-)

(Keep in mind, I start a new novel on Nov. 1st and only have until Nov. 30th to get it done! Crazy? Yes! It's all part of NaNoWriMo!)

Thanks for the interest, folks!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy so
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:19 PM

Kat-
I must have missed this back in 04. Is it still possible to get a copy?
And why not make copies more-or-less permanent Mudcat Auction items? I can do the copying and packaging if it's too much trouble.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78s of old cowboy songs
From: GUEST,Valerie Kurjata
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:04 PM

Hi there,

I am interested in a copy of the CD with the song Under Dakota's Cross. Can you let me know how I can send payment? Also we are in Canada, so is there an extra cost for shipping?

Thanks.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78's of old cowboy s
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Nov 07 - 02:49 PM

I know what somebody is getting from their Secret Santa!**bg**

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures - 78's of old cowboy songs
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 04 - 12:55 AM

yeah

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Nov 04 - 08:25 AM

Thought this was pretty neat and worth re-posting in this thread. From Art Thieme, posted in the "Thanks for the music/fellowship, 'Catters" thread by Fortunato/Chance Shiver:

The Mac McClintock songs are priceless. That's the most complete version of Jesse James I've ever heard...

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 03:43 AM

Oh, Art, that's a beautiful way to put it...I've found these were my grandparent's 78s before mom and dad had them, so ghosts indeed, m'dear...as well as my family...we put a lot of wear and tear into some of them, esp. Little Joe.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 20 Nov 04 - 12:40 AM

And what Lin and John said goes for me as well, Ms Kat. Thanks so much. I actually enjoy the pops and clicks. To me, they are the sounds of time passing--of people, ghosts maybe (by now), actually using the 78s and adding those few indications of their quick presence. Folk songs have always been my time machines.

Love,

Art

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 06:22 AM

Oh that's great, Lin, thanks so much! My grandson and I are sure enjoying them. This week he learned how to clap, so we're working on the rhythm in the songs now, as well as the melody!

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 19 Nov 04 - 01:42 AM

Kat,

Received ours today and have been playing them non-stop ever since! What a great collection! And it doesn't matter to me at least that the hisses aren't edited--it just means they sound like I remember them sounding :>)

Thank you so much for all your work, and for sharing the songs with us. There are a couple (Jack O'Diamonds in particular) that I am certain are the versions I used to hear as a kid. Deja vu all over again!

Lin and John

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 03:32 PM

Finally! We sent two CDs out to each of you on the following list, this morning, so you should get them sometime next week, I hope. If you don't see your name on this list, and it should be, please send me a PM. Thanks to everyone!

Jeep Man
Deckman
Joybell - thanks for your CD's. I am really enjoying hearing you both!

Q
frogprince (who sent a Fantastic cowboy song of his own!! We need to talk about that!)

Seamus Kennedy
Art Thieme
John & LininKansas
DADGBE
Louie Roy


Also, Dick Greenhaus...I owe you a set. Will get them out to you next week. Sorry, the above plus about 6 more sets for family etc. kinda snowballed me!:-)

If anyone else is interested, please let me know by PM. To those who wanted cleaned up versions, sorry...I just didn't have the time. You are getting them with all of the grooves, hisses, etc., but I think you'll still find them enjoyable. I explained more in a note in each package.

Thanks a bunch!

SO long, pardners,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 10:41 AM

Oh hell! I thought for a minute I had the only copy in the world of this lovely performance! But thanks, Stewie.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 10:38 AM

I've just started a new ADD LYR thread for the version of Jack O'Diamonds which is in this collection. Lomax's version is in the DT under Rye Whiskey. My version has slightly different words.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Stewie
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 09:46 AM

Hi Billy, my apologies. I misread the entry in Tony Russell's discography. Ritter made 2 recordings under the title 'Good-bye/Goodbye Old Paint' in 1933 - 13157-2 for ARC was unissued, but 13157-1 was issued on no less than 13 labels including the EBW W21 that you have. Both recordings were accompanied by 'own guitar' only.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:20 AM

I refer, of course, to the Tex Ritter 'Old Paint'.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 08:16 AM

Stewie: If the 1933 recording of 'Goodbye Old Paint' was never issued, how come I have a copy of it on Edison Bell Winner W.21? It is backed by 'Rye Whiskey'. I suppose it is possible, (but it doesn't seem very likely) that it was issued in England and not US.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Nov 04 - 10:06 AM

So, if I've got my ducks in a row, we need lyrics for King of Borneo, O'Hooligan's Ball, and Jolly Coppersmith, right? Any others? I may have missed something when cross-checking my list against those in this thread.

Just checking on some of the tracks now. Hope to send them out this morning.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Stewie
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 10:49 PM

For the record, neither Jules Allen nor Carl Sprague recorded 'Old Paint'. Tex Ritter mostly recorded it under the title 'A Riding Old Paint' and most of those were unissued; his 1933 recording under the title 'Good-bye Old Paint' had no fiddle and was unissued. [cf Meade et alia 'Country Music Sources' and Tony Russell 'Country Music Records'].

Mark, BACM have reissued some Haywire Mac recordings on CD, including the one you want. You will find details on this page: CLICK HERE.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Nov 04 - 05:27 PM

I've received several orders by mail from you all. Thanks, very much. I will get them sent out by this coming weekend. I'll send you each a PM when I send yours out.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:24 AM

no problem, burl. You guys all know a LOT more about all of these than I...I just know i love the old dears.:-) Thanks!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 11:22 AM

OKay by me Kat. I'm happy to accept Mark's word on this. MY guess at Jules Allen was just that, a guess as I played the clip. I should have checked my record collection. My other guess might have been Carl Sprague. All the best, Burl

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:30 AM

Thanks, Mark, for the confirmation. Sorry, can't help on the other Mac song.

burl, ya got me. I have to defer to others like Mark. I was too young to make note at the time. Jules Allen is listed as singing Days of 49 and I don't think his voice on that sounds the same as the one doing Old Paint.

Thanks, guys,

kat

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Mark Ross
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 10:24 AM

GOODBY OLD PAINT is definitely Haywire Mac! I have that recording and there is no doubt. By the way, I'm still looking for Mac's version OF CAN I SLEEP IN YOUR BARN TONIGHT, MISTER? Anyone?

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 01 Nov 04 - 06:10 AM

Hi Kat, Enjoyed the snippet. It doesn't sound like Haywire Mac or Tex Ritter to me. Could be Jules Allen?   Burl

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 12:47 PM

Okay, Linn, yer on the list, darlin'!

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 12:44 PM

Count us in, Kat. I'll paypal you the 10 bucks as soon as Tom can get around to it.

Linn

("I'm livin' out where the livin' is grand / And I'm milkin' cows with my old cow hand.")

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From:
Date: 31 Oct 04 - 12:26 PM

CoolEdit got bought out by Adobe. It's now known as Audition. SoundForge is now from Sony.

SoundForge Family

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 09:01 PM

Q, **bg**...you were right indeed, Sir!

cobber, congrats on the clicky and the 78s! That is really kewl!

My sister's school was going to throw out old phonographs which play 78's. She got me two of them. That's the next thing we hook up to the computer as we have some 78's and LPs we want to put on disc.

Thanks, Joy. I will look into SoundForge.

CoolEdit is not shareware is it?

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 08:49 PM

Ah tol' yuh! Twarnt enuf to cover the delivery.
Ah, well, Gargoyle will make up the difference.


I figure if each of us sends $10 it may just cover the materials and postage, but certainly nothing for labor.

Cobber, can't get many 78s here in western Canada anymore (unfortunately mostly gone to landfill), but still very useful lp stuff around. I got a very good 78 player (also an lp player- these are abundant and cheap) that I can use with my amplifier and tape deck. A lot of good superceded equipment around, if you ask at smaller repair shops and goodwill outlets.

Subject: RE: Found Musical Treasures
From: cobber
Date: 30 Oct 04 - 07:57 PM

While I'm on the floor, so to speak, I still play my 78s on a wind-up gramophone which has got a bit of work lately as I'm building in the bush and don't have power. You can still buy 78s quite cheaply here in Australia for instance, a year or two back, I was at a church fate and they had a big heap of 78s donated. It was near the end of the fair and I asked the person on the stall how much they were and was told, $1 each or free if you take the lot! I asked if they had a box I could put them in and was charged 50c for that (The stall holder was a friend of mine). When I got them home, they included Slim Dusty's "Pub With No Beer", a treasure in Australia and several old rock and roll records from people like Gene Vincent and Little Richard. Not bad for 50c. By the way, if you record your records straight in to Cool Edit like I do, it has automatic hiss reduction and you can expand the track to pinpoint and remove the worst clicks and scratches.