BS: Irish jokes!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:08 PM

"it is not so much parking as abandonment "
I really don't know wheer this garbage comes from
Having lived in London for thirty years where parking was a serious barrier to earning a living and no, after twenty years in Ireland, where

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Iains
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:00 PM

From what I have seen of parking in Ireland, it is not so much parking as abandonment of vehicles. In west Cork a single yellow line is taken to mean" please park here", and a double yellow line means double parking allowed, especially on market days.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 04:06 PM

An Englishman visiting an Irish village in the middle of nowhere noticed some roads had single yellow lines, and some had double yellow lines. He asked a local sitting outside the pub to explain the difference between single and double yellow lines. The local said " well, a single yellow line means no parking at all, and a double yellow lines means no parking at all, at all!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:34 PM

And we love you too!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:27 PM

Oh, c'mon gnu. You know you love us :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: gnu
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:01 PM

Figured I'd open this thread and get a laugh or two. Nope. Same old Mudcat. Oh, well. Back to Facebook.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 11:21 AM

I agree that "offensive" is not a useful or accurate term. It summons up the image of Margaret Dumont getting huffy with Groucho Marx.

But I wouldn't call a racist joke "poor taste" either.

Tim Lehrer's song about necrophilia, "I Hold Your Hand in Mine" is in (deliberate) poor taste.

Telling poop jokes at the dinner table is offensive (to me anyway).

Racist jokes are cruel, and historically, like racial epithets, they have been a tool for social control--for ingroup solidarity and for teaching outgroups to "know their place."

I can recall ni**er jokes, jokes about Asians, Jews, Polacks, and hillbillies from my youth, told not even with a mock apology, but with a knowing wink and a grin. I'm very thankful that in the company I keep, it's no longer acceptable to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 11:03 AM

I guess I know a lot of insecure people.

I am having an argument over whether one can compare racism and sexism, I am on the Yes side. Sigh.

Some people need their senses of humor back. And some jokes might just not be funny. It may not be racism or anti-semetism to bring up Schindler, but that name is likely to be associated with things that aren't (yet? Who said comedy=tragedy+time?) funny to a lot of people.

On the other hand, I find a lot of things funny that others don't. I like life better that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 10:10 AM

"There are some on here who take offense at anything and everything you say for a start."
I'm happy to give them cause to do so Dave - stops me nodding off over the keyboard
Seriously, I know very few people who deliberately set out to take offence - that is a sign of insecurity
Back to the point
Gradually people are relising the hurtful, even dangerous weapon some types of humour can be
Since the Savile/Weinstein news hit the fan, there has been a conscious effort to curb sexist humour - the more revelations, the greater the objection
I doubt if there are many "Mummy, mummy, I've been graped" type jokes around following the paedphile scandals hit the fan - they were common in the workplace throughout my working life   
I'm far from a PC prude, but it really is about time society cleaned up its act
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:59 AM

Oh but you do, Jim. There are some on here who take offense at anything and everything you say for a start. Well, pretend to anyway ;-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:22 AM

"I think as many people go out of their way to be offended"
I don't know many, if any
I know plenty who consider some things more than others do and end up being labelled PC
Different thing altogether
"published in Ireland (that is, the Republic) by Irish publishers. "
Quite often compiled by Irish Americans - it's referred to as "the Irish Uncle Tom syndrome"
America produces 'Polak' jokes or "hillbilly" in the same way - there are still - "acceptable racism"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:15 AM

I know Dave, it's as if they're constantly playing 'Spot The Insult' for a cash prize!

It's rather akin to the objections to wolf-whistles and not opening doors for women any more.

The world is constantly changing. As pocket philosophers say, 'This too shall pass'.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:09 AM

I think as many people go out of their way to be offended as set out to deliberately offend people.

Just my view.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:05 AM

Humour is a funny thing isn't it? (no joke intended)
There have been screeds of analyses of what makes people laugh and why.
It's a fascinating subject.
And as shown by Dave's clickie, times change and humour which was once hilarious becomes a bit non-PC.

I remember the series 'It Ain't 'Alf 'Ot Mum' where the sergeant-major called one of the squad 'poof' numerous times. And the punkah-wallah was actually a white bloke blacked-up. How we laughed...
And Mrs Slocum's pussy. And every Carry On film ever made. Not to mention Benny Hill. And Julie Walters' 'elderly waitress' character.

I spend much of my life chuckling, but even I notice that one has to be careful of others' feelings.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:55 AM

I have several books of jokes about the Irish -- published in Ireland (that is, the Republic) by Irish publishers. The Irish folks I know find them funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:45 AM

1970?s comedy writers apologise for not accurately predicting which jokes would be acceptable in 2018

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:38 AM

I put the funny joke I learned on the Star Trek cruise on the other thread.

I heard a Borg joke - what's a Borg's favorite art form? I thought the answer would be Art is irrelevant but it was Cubism.

Racist and funny IS possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 08:35 AM

"i do not see how you can tolerate the schindler joke and get all offended about something"
It really isn't about my being 'offended' - the argument is whether one is racist or not
The name Schindler invokes the Holocaust in some - it provokes argument with others; some have argued that Schindler profited by the use of free Jewish Labour - not a stance I take, by the way
His name was largely forgotten until Thomas Kenneally published his book; he was first recognised by Israel nearly two decades after the War ended.
It took a blockbuster Hollywood film, by a major director to even recognise his mane.
My sole concern in posting my objection was based on the OPs record of trolling by making outrageous statements
As it is, I'm delighted with the opportunity it has provided to discuss humour in this manner - a subject that, related to my interest in the tradition, consumes a great deal of my work
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 07:31 AM

I agree with what you say, Jim and Dave. It's all about taste and the audience who are hearing the jokes.
The very name Schindler evokes the Holocaust to some.
Dark humour has its place though, in discharging tensions and helping people to cope.
I just feel one has to consider the recipients of certain jokes so as to avoid offence. Being aware is the key.

And people seem to be more sensitive nowadays, almost on the lookout for racism, sexism et al in order to complain. A bit 'snowflaky' in some ways.

An example:-

My grandfather fought in WW1, and when I was very small he often used to relate seeing his comrade's head getting shot off, and as it rolled away he said it 'winked' at him. He thought this was hilariously funny, and no-one asked him to stop telling me, a little girl, over and over about it.
We were more robust in days gone by.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: mg
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 07:22 AM

i do not see how you can tolerate the schindler joke and get all offended about something i find innocuous in the irish one ..and i am of irish descent. i would not call it racist but rather just horrid in general.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 07:19 AM

"we are not in agreement about the Schindler joke."
You think it's racist then?
Explain why
'in poor taste'
I agree Sen, all 'dark humour' is in poor taste Sen - that's why some people find it funny
There' a whole psychological science around why people feel certain things funny
MacColl and Seeger recorded jokes from miners for the programme 'The Big Hewer', at least half of them were about pit accidents and lung diseases.
A typical one from the North east was about the 'Bevin Boys' - young unemployed schoool leavers who were put to work in the pits during WW2 - remombered among miners for their inexperience.
It was the practice in the pits that if a fatality occured, the men would be given a day off in respect for the deceased
"Two of these Bevin Boys were sent down to help look for survivors after a pit-fall - they discovered two dead miners in the rubble.
One said to the other, "Tell you what, let's take one up now and leave the other till later, then we can have two days off"
The miners on the recording found that hilarious
There are dozens of these on a tape I was given by Ewan.
Trench humour even appeared in cartoon form during WW1 - I got dozens of 'dark jokes' from a WW1 veteran, the first time I ever went out with a tape recorder
Some of the Norfolk fishermen gave us jokes about sinking fishing boats
Folklorist, Gershon Legman, devoted a whole section of one of his book to necrophobic sex
I hear many from Jewish friends when I lived in Manchester
Maybe I might have found them offensive when told by non-Jews, but as jokes, they were a very strong part of Jewish culture among those I knw
All this is 'dark' stuff and not to e=everybody's taste - I think it is described as "survival humour" - a way of coping with dangerous occupations and situations - not to everyone's taste admittedly
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 06:47 AM

But it is not a joke about Schindler. It is a play on words on the book and film Schindler's List.

An Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman walk into a pub. The barman said 'Is this some kind of joke?'.

This is not a joke about Englishmen, Irishmen, Scotsmen or barmen. It is not racist even though it mentions nationalities nor is it it sexist because it does not say English person etc. It is not stereotyping, it is a joke about a joke. I am sure someone will take offense though...

Ernest. Did you ever hear someone say 'Oh yes, he is a very clever person' and fully understand that it was not their intention to praise them?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: mg
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 06:36 AM

we are not in agreement about the schindler joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 06:19 AM

I think, rather than the using the word 'racist' quite so much these days, the expression 'in poor taste' fits the situation better.

To me, jokes about Schindler (who like it or not was involved in saving Jews from the death camps) are in poor taste. So are jokes implying that the Irish are thick, and mocking their accent etc.
There are jokes about the elderly, about 'blondes' (ditsy etc) and they could all be said to be in poor taste.
They could still make one laugh, but if they upset someone, then better not use them.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 06:12 AM

"gives the policeman a clever answer."
Clever - Really???
Sound's pretty stupid to me
In context of who posted it, I have little doubt iof what was intended
His reputation goes before him
Pleaed we are in agreement about the Schindler Joke
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:22 AM

Did anyone understand the irony in my first post?

I guess not. Like jokes, if you need to explain, it is not worth telling.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Ernest
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 05:00 AM

ok, I have to explain it again:

In my mind neither the Schindler joke nor the Irishman joke are racist.
Only according to Jims initial statement (second post of this thread) they are.

As Jim stated later on: "Racist humour is designed to take the piss out of entire races or ethnic communities by presenting them a stereotypically, dirty, stupid, dishonest, treacherous..... In the case of Irish jokes, stupidity and cultural backwardness is the recurring theme2". This also doesn´t apply to the thread-opening joke - on the contrary, the Irishman in question gives the policeman a clever answer.

Did anyone understand the irony in my first post?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 04:37 AM

Just to redress the balance:-

A man goes into a pub in Ireland and asks for a pint of Guinness. "Guinness?" says the barman, "Do you know how long that takes to pour? I've got other customers waiting".

He gets his pint and offers a 20 Euro note."Have you not got anything smaller? We've only just opened. You're going to take all my change".

After a while sitting in silence, the man asks the barman if they ever have any music on. "Music?" he replies, "this is a pub. It's for drinking. People sitting round listening to music cut into my profits".

Taken aback, the man says "I thought pubs were supposed to be friendly in Ireland".
"Ah well," says the barman, "that's because we are an English theme pub".


DC

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:30 AM

" I find the reference to Schindler's list offensive..."
Maybe not - many people don't like 'dark humour' yet it's common enough, among soldiers particularly - I happen to like that sort of humpur - I've put numerous ones up on the joke threads
Basically, it's not about the Holocaust anyway, it's about a film title - Thomas Keneally's book on which the film was based is entitled Shchindler's Ark
Whatever the joke is, it is not racist.
Racist humour is designed to take the piss out of entire races or ethnic communities by presenting them a stereotypically, dirty, stupid, dishonest, treacherous..... In the case of Irish jokes, stupidity and cultural backwardness is the recurring theme, SEE HERE
The Schindler joke does none of those things
There are thousands of jokes about nationalities, some of them deliberately racist, others complementary - the best satire is based on it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 03:16 AM

Who is anyone to pontificate that a joke is racist??? The whole point is to make people laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 02:53 AM

Aaaaggghhhhh!

The Schindler joke is neither racist nor anything to do with the holocaust. it is a pun. A play on words. List/Pissed.

As I often comment, it seems some people speak a different English to others. If nothing else this thread may help to highlight that fact.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 02:16 AM

Brilliant, Rap, that really made me laugh.

And I don't understand a word of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 11:12 PM

Bhí Pádraig agus Michéal sa teach tabhairne ag ól agus bhí siad go maith. Bhí siad ag feachaint tríd an bhfuinneog ar an teach transna an bhóthair. Teach flapachain b'ea é.

Thánig duine nó béirt, ó am go ham, agus tríd sa doras t¡ leo. Ansin chonaic Pádraig an tUrramach Protastantúnach ag teacht agus isteach sa teach leis.

"An bhfuil sé gan náire, fear Dia mar sin?", arsa Michéal.

Ansin tagann Raibi Giudach agus isteach sa theach leis.

"An bhfuil sé gan náire, fear Dia mar sin?", arsa Pádraig.

Ó bhí sé ag éirí deanach, d'éirigh Pádraig is Michéal, d'fhág siad síneadh láimhe, agus amach leo.

Ansin chonaic siad an sagart ag teacht agus isteach sa teach leis.

"Is trua sin", arsa an bhéirt. "Is doigh liom go bhfuil duine de na caíliní bochta istigh tinn. Tá an sagart ag dul a cuir Óla Dheanach uirthi."

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 10:50 PM

An old one, but a good one: Leigh anois go curamach ar do scrudphapeir na treoiracha agus na ceisteanna a ghabhann le cuid Á.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: mg
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 08:28 PM

I did not find the first Irish one offensive. I find the reference to Schindler's list offensive...I can't bring myself to chuckle at the Holocaust.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Joe_F
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 06:33 PM

Pat, a strapping young Irishman, goes to a construction site & inquires about a job that he has seen in the want ads. The foreman frowns: "This isn't a job for common laborer. You have to have the knowledge. You have to know a joist from a girder." "Sure and I have the knowledge," says Pat, "Joist wrote Ulysses, and Girder wrote Faust."

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 04:26 PM

LOL! That conjures up quite an image... ????

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 03:54 PM

Heh heh Backwoodsman. Nah. My husband says I'm very out of condition, due to far too many crumpets with butter. And there isn't a hoop large enough to go over my...er...rear end.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 03:46 PM

You must be fitter than me, Sen! ??

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 03:25 PM

Oh show me a hoop and through I leap! What is life if one can't jump through some hoops?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:50 PM

"Hoops, people. It's not compulsory to jump through them."
No - but it's fun - for a time
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:08 PM

"you are trying to tell me that a joke about a drunken Irishman is racist while a joke about a drunken German is not."
Of cours it's not if the nationality of the character has no bearing on the joke
Do you really not know who Oskar Schindler was?
It's a ****** pun - "Schindler's List" - Schindler's pissed
Not as funny when you have to explain it to eeits
Jeeze
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:06 PM

Hoops, people. It's not compulsory to jump through them.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: meself
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:06 PM

There is nothing remotely "racist" about that German joke, Ernest - as you well know.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:04 PM

A man with tall trees in his garden decided to have them cut down, so he put a notice on his gate - Tree Fellers wanted. An hour later 3 Irish men walked by the notice and knocked on the man’s door. When he opened the door, one of the Irish said “you’re looking for tree fellas so here we are” !!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Ernest
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:02 PM

Jim, it must be in your head...

you are trying to tell me that a joke about a drunken Irishman is racist while a joke about a drunken German is not.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 02:02 PM

Yes! Stand well clear...!!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Iains
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 01:52 PM

No doubt the touch paper is now glowing!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 01:47 PM

40 gypsies arrive at the gates of heaven and St Peter walks up to them and says "there is only room for 12 of you so discus with each other who is coming in".

A little while later St Peter goes back to God - "they have gone" "what!? all 40!?" God shouts out in rage and St Peter replies "yep and so have the gates"

Subject: RE: BS: Irish jokes!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 01:43 PM

Perhaps I should have just posted a gypsy joke!