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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Date: 27 Aug 23 - 03:09 AM ...Ukrainians, with NATO guns, are longing to enslave you. GerryM: Not sowing them thick as artifical turf to begin with wouldn't be any easier to solve with a folk song. But here we are. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GerryM Date: 27 Aug 23 - 02:35 AM Phil, if the task at hand is to clear landmines, I think that's a lot to ask of a song. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 26 Aug 23 - 09:39 PM Dear P d'C ... Re: Use Music to Own Advantage It is pure Broadway, but, "Tomorrow Belongs To Me" from Cabaret evoks heart-tugs in me. We had a great discussion on MC: https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=20451 Sincerely, Gargoyle Music has a passion to inflame men's souls. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Date: 26 Aug 23 - 07:11 PM Anybody that believes sailors, soldiers and politicians... high & low in the ranks... don't use music to their own advantage... was not paying attention in class. The Ukraine, as viewed from the East, is the Pale of Settlement. Orthodox Russians feel free to grab whatever they please, wherever and whenever it pleases. Not two shakes different from the French, Germans, Ottomans &c &c &c except the line of travel. Every season the average dirt farmer is still plowing up nasty sh*t from the last two wars. The best Western folk song ever written, in any alphabet, isn't going to disarm one cluster bomblet or landmine on either side of the present slaughter. I ask myself, is the above song up to the task at hand? For me, the answer is a solid "No." Your results may vary. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 26 Aug 23 - 06:16 PM One of the most haunting of songs "Peat Bog Soldiers" (Die Moorsoldaten, 1933) is in its 90th year anniversery, In the DT https://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=8609 "a poignant reminder of the passing of time" Sincerely, Gargoyle Big Al ... I agree |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 Aug 23 - 05:27 PM The only problem with the above arguments is that "Hitler has only got one ball!" is a better folksong than anybody on this site can aspire to. Its pithy, abusive, memorable and tells ir like it was. Hitler was a wanker. And furthermore the song sticks it to the current crop of holocaust deniers, and educators who seemed to have passed onto my nephew that the notion that WW2 was 'six of one half a dozen of the other'. Does it explain von Runstedt's relationship with Hitler? No, but it does what it can. It gives the powerless a voice. Prose can do its job, poetry its job , verse its job and song can do its job. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,RJM Date: 26 Aug 23 - 08:15 AM I think masters of war is more apt than universal soldier, the soldiers are pawns? sometimes forced by circumstance to participate,sometimes people join the army because there are no jobs so that brings us back to the system, one of the roots of the problem |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: G-Force Date: 26 Aug 23 - 05:25 AM I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Randy Newman's 'Putin', written some time before the present unpleasantness but I believe after the Crimea annexation. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch Date: 25 Aug 23 - 06:55 PM The song... not great, not terrible. If Dick, Stalin, Hitler, Putin, Trump and/or Ho Chi Minh said water is wet and rocks are hard they were not wrong. When Putin is ever in the Ukraine, he is a war tourist, safely removed from the killing grounds (or so he hopes.) Blame your so-called Universal Soldier. You simply know you are smarter and better than all and every one of them (that is all sides and the middle) ooooorrrrr... you are an average human and have nothing to contribute save "Thoughts and Prayers." A lot to be said for doing both in respectful silence. Western polemics: Most main stream media, left, right and what little remains of the center, all filters down to you through the same major wire services (AP, UPI, Reuters &c.) The differences in standards and style guides isn't worth the reading time. One need only follow the Jussie Smollett lynching hysteria and "Let's Go Brandon" gaslighting to see what sorry shape the old 'Fourth Estate' is in. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: Halfmoon Charlie Date: 25 Aug 23 - 04:14 PM If I recall my high school history correctly, Stalin's Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact with the Nazi regime. Some might call that "support," some might not. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: Halfmoon Charlie Date: 25 Aug 23 - 04:06 PM The Communist Party is the second largest political party in the Russian Federation. So, if you think the largest political party in a country defines the country as a whole, then the Russian Federation is not a Communist federation. Putin was certainly a member of the Communist Party for years. Whether he is a member of the current Communist Party, I don't know. I know that poking fun at all political stripes is fair game. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 25 Aug 23 - 10:19 AM I agree with RJM that merely taunting polemics, in the tradition of "Hitler has only got one ball", is neither valuable art nor helpful for the cause. Soldiers in battle are excused; all others should strive to make valid points, either good arguments or good satire, or both. For example, carefully debunk the current pro-Kremlin myths that are being spread in many countries – such as RJM's in his last post. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 23 - 09:29 AM I have criticised the song about Stalin. because it is polemic, I crticise the song about Putin for the same reason. I do not believe the media always lie, but I do believe in every country the media propagtes the what the establishment want us to believe, that includes the west Rusiia and china .Paul Burke you have misunderstood my posts, Iwas talking about thartof songwriting and why shoals of herring and my old man and the manchester rambler are better songs than the ballad of stalin or the ballad of putin. at what time did stalin [the soviet union not russia] support the nazis. Paul, have you been to Russia? Is your foreign news information gained via the western media. I have not been to russia either, but i try to keep an open mind, it takes two to tango in a war, and there are two sides to this conflict. That does not mean i support putin he is ex KGB ,hardly a recommendation but then the CIA are not angels and the USA has the biggest armamament spending in the world ,that speaks for itself, so a complex situation, plus the Russian speaking inhabitants[APPROX 24PERCENT of ukraine have a democratic right to be proteCted |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,Paul Burke Date: 25 Aug 23 - 06:56 AM I'm sick of these people who consider themselves "left wing" but who support fascism and loony conspiracy on the grounds that "the media always lie" and my enemy's enemy is my friend. British "socialist" parties got in bed with Farage over Brexit, that's how connected with the real world some are. I'm about as left as they come, and I can spot a fascist when I see one. Just look at Putin's alliance with the church. WWII is irrelevant (and in any case, Stalin was a bigger disaster for Socialism than Hitler was), Russia supported the Nazis (pale pink was a bigger enemy) until Barbarossa made him rethink. And as for Stalin's mastery of nature, remember Lysenko? The Aral Sea? And after Stalin, the Urals nuclear disaster that presaged Chernobyl? |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 24 Aug 23 - 07:52 PM RJM - I appreciate your candor. The OG - I like your work. Big Al - love the song & recoding In the western world we are not limited in news sources: Financial Times Pravda Der Spiegel Arab News WSJ NY Times Epoch Times Jerusalem Post I read them all...and many more depending on need. May I suggest ... you become a member ... that will give you access to "The Kingdom Below The Line." Sincerely, Gargoyle . Whatever is behind a pay-wall can be found without a fee. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,RJM Date: 24 Aug 23 - 11:58 AM I like it Al, its kind of irreverent. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: The Og Date: 24 Aug 23 - 10:36 AM Joe...yes, I wrote it, let's call it "Ode to Vladimir" RJM...sorry to have hit a sore spot. Polemic or not, it was fun...
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: Big Al Whittle Date: 24 Aug 23 - 10:22 AM my Putin song https://soundcloud.com/denise_whittle/vladmir-putin-is-a-very-naughty-man-1 |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,RJM Date: 24 Aug 23 - 09:26 AM The use of the tune, Tannenbaum, Tannenbaum is used as the tune to the Red flag. Why use that tune , is the writer implying that Russia is a comminust state?. May i remind people that Gorbachev dismantled the communist soviet union, Russia is not a communist state and part of that deal with Gorbachev was that nato would not move further east, nato broke that deal which is part of the reason for the present unfortunate war. imo The use of the tune Tannenbaum is deliberate to imply an anti communist feel which is inappropriate. none of the above means i support anyone in this horrible war, |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,RJM Date: 24 Aug 23 - 08:21 AM i have offerd constructive ideas, and here are some more, it would be better to write a song about the war, reflecting upon the waste of human life and the casualties of the war.rather than the way that has been written in a war there are two sides. you are trying to stop my right to free speech, and that sucks. You'd be far better off if you could learn to understand what makes a good song and what is polemic. here is another example of polemic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssYjLmMQNHg Joe Stalin was a mighty man, a mighty man was he, He led the Soviet people on the road to victory. All through the revolution he fought at Lenin's side, And they made a combination till the day that Lenin died. He said, "Come all you people, we will work with brain and hand." And then one day the Nazis came into the Soviet land, They plundered to the Volga, to Stalingrad, and then Joe Stalin said, Come on, me boys!" and he kicked them out again. Joe Stalin was a southerner, in Georgia he was born Where the oranges grow thick and fast and fields of waving corn; And Joe he was a farmer, his fingers they were green And he has planted the biggest crop the world has ever seen. One day he looked upon his map and frowned and shook his head, "There's too much brown and not enough green," these are the words he said; "We'll have to change the weather, boys," he said and then he smiled, "So let's begin by planting trees along three thousand miles." Joe Stalin rolled his sleeves up and he said, "Come on, let's start! The Volga river and the Don they are too far apart. I think we'd better join them, so come and help me, pal, And we'll build a mighty waterway, the Volga-Don Canal." One day he went into the North and there saw rivers three All emptying their waters into the Polar Sea; "Now that's not right," Joe Stalin said, "these rivers they are ours, We'll turn 'em 'round and make 'em work to give electric power." There was a range of mountains that was standing in the way So Stalin put his hand out and he smoothed them all away; For Joe he was determined to make the land all green And that's the biggest project that the world has ever seen. Joe Stalin was a mighty man and he made a mighty plan; He harnessed nature to the plough to work for the good of man; He's hammered out the future, the forgeman he has been And he's made the workers' state the best the world has ever seen. |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Aug 23 - 04:44 AM RJM. the author's effort is the author's effort, such as it is. In my humble opinion, you would be best off to offer constructive ideas, or to keep your mouth shut. You live to fight, and that sucks. You'd be far better off if you could learn to express your ideas without putting other people down. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,RJM Date: 24 Aug 23 - 04:36 AM I am giving my opinion of the song, which i am entitled to do. i have not been to russia and i hear one sided versions of the war, so i try to keep an open mind and a neutral perspective. the best songs are imo written from personal experience, or from talking to people with personal experience. this is what macColl did with shoals pf herring and why it is so much better a song than the polemic about the ballad of stalin. the ballad of stalin was mediocre and so imo is this effort about putin |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Aug 23 - 04:12 AM RJM, are you looking to pick a fight, or to actually obtain information? |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: GUEST,RJM Date: 24 Aug 23 - 04:01 AM Whoever wrote the song, it is an example of polemic, and clearly represents an opinion influenced by western establishment oropAganda or news. How can the songwriter know the thoughts of Putin. what is this stuuf about the devil? Has the songwriter ever been to Russia? or is this based upon what he she has heard in western establishment news, mediocre |
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Subject: RE: Putin songs From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Aug 23 - 12:47 AM Hi, Og - are you the songwriter? When posting songs at Mudcat, be sure to put the song title and songwriter name at the top of the lyrics. -Joe- |
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Subject: ADD: Ode to Vladimir (by The Og) From: The Og Date: 23 Aug 23 - 07:11 PM How about Putin songs/parodies? Like... tune = "Oh, Tannenbaum" ODE TO VLADIMIR (by The Og) Oh, Vladimir, no need to fear, don’t act so highfalutin’, Your 3-day war turned into more, the enemy’s still shootin’. You thought yourself a superstar, to rouse the old USSR, Mastermind’s not who you are, despite all that salutin’. Oh, Vladimir, ’tis sad I fear, there’s nothing left to save you, Ukrainians, with NATO guns, are longing to enslave you. You thought you’d march right into Kiev, quick victory you’d soon achieve, Alas, ’twas only make believe, the Devil’s minions crave you. Oh, Vladimir, don’t linger here go back across the border. Your master plan has gone and ran, your troops are in disorder. For one who just could not let go, beware the fire down below, They say you reap just what you sew, your days are getting shorter, |
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