BS: Wikileaks - how embarrassing

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Aug 13 - 07:15 AM

The us of the term "spy" in this context involves a state redefinition of the word akin to the attempt to redefine torture so as to exclude torture techniques such as waterboarding.

What Manning did was not an act of espionage in any sense normally used in the English language. It's an example of Newspeak.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 01 Aug 13 - 05:03 AM

"It would have ended any distinction between a traitor selling military secrets to the highest bidder and someone speaking to a journalist on a matter of conscience and for no reward."

Under the terms of the USMCJ when it comes disclosing classified information to an unauthorised third party there is no distinction made with regard to who that unauthorised third party is and there is no distinction made with regard to motive (financial gain or conscience).

By the way in every military justice system if you are charged you are always, always charged with the most severe offence you actions can viewed as being - the subsequent investigation then whittles those charges down as they are forbidden from increasing charges.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Jul 13 - 05:48 PM

"Empire of evil"...

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 31 Jul 13 - 05:42 PM

Thanks for the updates..

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: bobad
Date: 31 Jul 13 - 09:41 AM

George Bush vs Bradley Manning

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Songwronger
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 11:27 PM

...the Obama administration didn't merely go through the motions in pursuit of Manning. Military authorities imposed a charge that should have sparked far greater alarm than it did. They argued that by talking to the media, Manning had "aided the enemy" – a charge tantamount to treason, which can carry the death penalty (though this was not pursued in Manning's case).

This is not so much the beginning of a slippery slope for a democratic nation as a headlong plummet. A guilty verdict would have redefined the media – from outlets such as WikiLeaks to bastions of the establishment like the New York Times – as proxies for the enemy. It would have ended any distinction between a traitor selling military secrets to the highest bidder and someone speaking to a journalist on a matter of conscience and for no reward.

The prosecution of Manning was intended to send a signal. If nothing else, it has done that. It has shown that when faced with evidence of its own wrongdoing, the current US administration focuses on punishing the messenger. It shows the first amendment is easier to honour in the abstract than in reality. And it risks sending a message to nations that routinely imprison, assault or even kill journalists and activists, that when it comes to the crunch, the supposed leader of the free world is not much different.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/30/bradley-manning-trial-enemy-not-guilty

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 02:23 PM

He has been convicted of most of the charges brought against him, including five violations of the Espionage Act. He faces as much as 130 years in prison. Sentencing begins Wednesday at 9:30 am ET.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: bobad
Date: 30 Jul 13 - 01:40 PM

Bradley Manning has been found not guilty of aiding the enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 02 Feb 11 - 02:34 PM

Sure sounds good to me!

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Feb 11 - 12:55 PM

Good news, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: bobad
Date: 02 Feb 11 - 12:23 PM

Wikileaks nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

OSLO - Anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks has been nominated for the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize, the Norwegian politician behind the proposal said on Wednesday, a day after the deadline for nominations expired.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/wikileaks-nominees-nobel-peace-prize/

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Brian May
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 07:46 AM

'Land of the Free' does echo and sound just a bit hollow at the moment.

Seriously, for a moment, it really IS how many countries of the world view the USA now, it is a tragedy, because there has been so much good from the States, however self-serving, over the years.

Now, most overtures etc are treated with deep cynicism and disdain.

Well done the State Department/Oval Office - we had the liar Blair and you guys voted Dubya in. We perhaps deserve what we got for our levels of well-meaning naivety.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Naemanson
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 08:48 PM

I just saw this AP News Story and was embarrassed, not by the leaked documents but by the implication that sending Assange to Sweden could land him in American hands where his life might be threatened.

What kind of country do we live in where the rest of the world sees us as a fascist-type state? Can't the leaders of this nation see that we are no longer the beacon of freedom we once were?

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 04:24 AM

A man may be a heretic in the truth, and if he believe things only because his pastor says so, or the assembly so determines, without knowing other reason, though his belief be true, yet the very truth he holds becomes his heresy. John Milton

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 11:14 AM

The Wikileaks link I wrote to received 400,000 signatures supporting the `free internet issue` in one day according to an e-mail I rec`d. I don`t know who posted that link but thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 06:48 PM

Fox "News"[sic] is bullshit? Who knew???

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: bobad
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 04:11 PM

Leaked e-mail shows Fox boss tried to slant 'news' programs

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/leaked-email-shows-fox-news-boss-slant-news/

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 03:47 PM

The guilty are the idiots causing disturbance to online merchandizing and fund transfers, and those that support them.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 03:27 PM

Cobblers. People needing to pay bills order or sell have plenty of options. Only the guilty are hurt.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 01:08 PM

Idiots preventing people from paying their bills on line, ordering online, and merchants from selling online.
This must be stopped.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: mandotim
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:50 AM

Depends on your definition of democracy. There are lots of versions. Some are very close to anarchy, others exclude it. Odd, isn't it; when the powerful object to something, it's 'defending democracy', and when the powerless object, it's 'anarchy' or 'treason' or 'sedition'. This is all about maintaining the division between those who have power and money, and those who don't; the very essence of the capitalist system in fact. Trouble is, the internet has changed everything, and powerless geeks are suddenly very powerful indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: John P
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 10:18 AM

Anarchy and democracy are very nearly mutually exclusive.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 02:42 AM

Happy that Visa/Mastercard and Paypal have been suffering mass interruptions in service, not that it hurts their bottom line. It just pisses off the customers using them.

But hey it is a start at striking at the heart of corporate/capitalist complex.

Love that there are groups supporting internet democracy by exercising some internet anarchy.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 02:32 AM

I guess you haven't noticed but Comcast internet went offline for over a day first on the East Coast and then the midwest.

We are witnessing a revolution that does not harm anyone but instead delays or denies banks from making big bucks.
We the people are merely showing a sample of what can be done to the enemies of plain simple truth.

PayPal, Mastercard and Visa seem to have a grudge against the truth?

Hey BIg Corp what are you afraid of?
IF you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to fear!!

How many times have they told that to us?

Yes Toobigtofail Corp. there is real blow back from the crimes and outrages you commited against the poor and middle class.

The dam has a crack and is only seaping right now.



PS Mark Twain said

"Be leary of the person who calls for punishment in large portions before any facts are heard"

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 02:00 AM

GfS.
Sit on what exactly? I haven't even made a comment..(or can you read my mind? Now that's scary!)

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 11:03 PM

People who foul up Mastercard, Visa or Paypal need to be apprehended and put away for a good long stretch.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 09:00 PM

Sorry, but I'm lovin' all this...

Maybe if Wiki messed up my pudder I might change my tune but, fir now, this is what make life great...

I'm just waitin' for Wiki to make public some of the stuff they have on Ms. Sarah... That oughtta be the shits... I mean, maybe some nudie pics??? Maybe Ms. Sarah tryin' to make some deals with some seedy folks??? I donno but ya' notice that Ms. Sarah ain't talkin' about this and that is not her usual self that has an opinion on everything...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 03:56 PM

My last post was NOT directed at Q.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 03:21 PM

Mastercard is hacked alledgedly in retalliation for Assange's bail denial.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Dec 10 - 02:19 PM

Well, if it`s all ho-hum stuff, perhaps someone should notify the government agencies who seem to be shitting their drawers.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 10:46 PM

Leakypee is unsorted, about as useful as some of the mudcat threads; a useful post or two, the rest not worth noting.

I looked at a little of it and went to sleep at the computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 07 Dec 10 - 06:26 PM

What is also embarrassing, is the poor quality of some of the US info.

That Aussie company, critical to the USA because it makes rattle snake venom? Well the CEO is grateful for the publicity, but rather bemused that they haven't made that stuff for over 10 years....

If that's wrong, what 'facts' else should anyone believe? A bit worrying for a country that has its finger on The Big Red Button of Armageddon ...

I'm waiting for Rupert Murdoch to be arrested or assassinated for publishing the material ...

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: andrew e
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 08:32 PM

How many here have actually read any of the "leaks"?

Are most commenting on what the media has put out?

Must admit I haven't read any of the originals.
I don't think I would want to waste my time on it!
Most of us know that heaps of stuff is hidden and distorted, and most still is.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:48 PM

Yeah, bring on some more....

Actually, word on the street is that there some nudies comin'...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:28 PM

Bravo Brucie!

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,999
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 07:10 PM

Lemme see: we have little green cameras all over everywhere; we have bank and credit cards through which governments can locate us; we have GPS locaters in our automobiles.

Goddammit, if you are not scared and tired of this intrusive bullshit, it is time you started to be. IMO.i
Bravo, Wiki.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: John P
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 06:32 PM

How would you all like it if every conversation you had, every venting session, every harsh word you ever spoke were splashed all over the news? I agree that there is lots of information coming out that shouldn't have been secret, but I also think that people should be able to do their jobs -- and speak openly about it with their coworkers -- without having to worry about their conversations being hacked and publicized. There's a big difference between evidence of misdeeds, which ought to be made public, and evidence that people who are working on sensitive issues talk candidly with each other. The Wikileaks should have been limited to the first.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 01:33 PM

Before long- Wikileaks, the movie.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Stringsinger
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 12:40 PM

The idea that Wikileaks is opinion only is only an opinion that refuses to recognize the language in these transcripts as being official. It's sheer propaganda on the part of those who want to denigrate the important role that Wikileaks plays in keeping democracy in tact.

I mistrust the assessment of anyone who gives any credence to Karzai or other dictators that the US supports throughout the world.

I applaud Assange and Manning for their courage.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: bobad
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 11:34 AM

"Julian Assange will release a "poison pill" that contains a "deluge" of secret information if he is killed, arrested or his website is permanently shut down, Daily Mail reports.

"Due to recent attacks on our infrastructure, we've decided to make sure everyone can reach our content. As part of this process we're releasing archived copy of all files we ever released," WikiLeaks said in a message on its site.

WikiLeaks says it has another 250,000 cables it plans to gradually release over coming months -- if it can.

Anticipating the US attempts to block it though, WikiLeaks has taken the precaution of posting a big, 1.4-gigabyte file encrypted with a 256-digit key said to be unbreakable."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-threatens-release-poison-pill-arrested-killed/

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,PeterC
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 12:07 PM



The disclosure of this information should be considered treason, in my opinion.

@LonesomeEJ
Please explain which of the leaks was a treasonable act in Australia.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 11:56 AM

There are surprising temperate attitudes toward these leaks being voiced here. Gates has a temperate opinion as well.

This will probably not last long since the FOX news machine is repeating every 20 seconds that Assange has commited an act of war and should be summarily executed. Gates is being attacked by the right generally and by McCain specificly as Obama's political appointee. All history regarding Gates working under Bush has been forgotten.

The Bank of America is now on the hot wiki seat and is being leveraged against the attacks on his website which now include pay pal being turned off to allow donations to Wikileaks.

With the decoding password gigabytes of leaks will be available to millions of people who have already downloaded the encrypted version.
The encyption decoding password has not been cracked even by our best military computers.

If someone opened a website called wilileakPassword.org they would certainly get millions of hits.

PW EXAMPLE "Diogenesemetasecretagentontheroadandimmediatelykilledhim123withthetruth.'

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: skarpi
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 10:49 AM

I love them in Wikileaks , now the world can see what kind
things nations are doing , I can´t wait for Bank info ...must
good for people to see the corruption in that system ....

the government s of some nation wants to get them out of the system
but that is so the people can´t see what they have been doing

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 07:09 AM

The Wikileaks about the opinions of US Ambassadors in various embassies around the world on the people that they are dealing with; Karzai; Cameron; Clegg; Brown; Berlusconi; Sarkozy; Putin; Merkel; etc; etc - Are most definitely subjective opinion and nothing more.

The same goes for much of the opinion of what those ambassadors think of the way any nation or government may act in certain situations.

The "military" leaks range from blank statements that such and such happened to subjective opinion of what might happen.

Absolutely nothing that has to date been "released" should come as a surprise to anyone who has been reading and studying what has been going on - WikiLeaks, How embarrassing? Not in the slightest a complete and utter non-event.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Stringsinger
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 03:30 PM

Actually, Wikileaks are publishing cables from the U.S. Military. There is nothing subjective about these. They report. They didn't make it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 02:14 PM

I have to admit to liking the leaks. First of all there is nothing there that is really surprising, other than some of our State Department people know how to write!

On the whole, I think Assange and his organization have done more good than harm and I hope he isn't maltreated.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 06:50 AM

Don't lump this liberal into that mix, GfinS...

I love the leaks... They really don't mean squat... And, yeah, the US prolly did allow these documents to get out... Who cares??? Ain't nuthin' in 'um all that informative... Just a bunch of name callin'... You8 know, like here in Mudville...

BTW, I knew that LH was gone fir a few days but I didn't realize he was movin' in with you in Annandale... Hope ya'll got a separate apartment for Chongz 'cause he has some very bad hygiene issues...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 05:35 AM

Just had a thought that illustrates how important these leaks are particularly in relation to the US Ambassador's "reports" and opinions are and exactly whay weighting is put upon them (They are after all completely subjective opinions)

Here is what might be termed a "crucial" example from history:

In 1938 FDR sent Joseph Kennedy to the Court of St.James as the 44th US Ambassador. Kennedy had a distinctly anti-Brit agenda and he was a supporter of appeasement and a complete and utter defeatist. I doubt had FDR put any faith in the judgement of his Ambassador (Who quite frankly I think should have been drowned at birth). I bet old Joe Kennedy's "secret cables" back to FDR would have made some interesting reading and thank God they were not acted upon.

Joe Kennedy's "wikileaks" type moment came and resulted in his removal when AFTER of the Battle of Britain he let slip this opinion:

"Democracy is finished in England. It may be here,"

Fortunately for the world in general FDR listened to somebody else in the UK to weigh up the situation - The CBS Head of its European Operations Ed Murrow.

WikiLeaks is not delivering Fact they are delivering for the most part subjective opinion nothing more.

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 05:33 AM

The liberals fancy themselves as to liking an 'open society'..until it opens up! ..then they want it closed back up, to hide the 'little secrets', of how to get what they want, and how they have to destroy the lives of regular working folks, PROVIDING for their families!
"Give them unemployment and food stamps!"..."but we don't want your fucking government handouts..we want our jobs!..WE want to care care of our own families WITHOUT the damn socialists sticking their noses into every aspect of our lives!!"
Anything wrong with that???

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Wikileaks - how embarrasing
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 04:57 AM

It's on the level of coffee shop gossip, and eavesdroppings.

OOh Mrs America, did you 'ear wot that Mrs China said about that nice Mr Italy?
That's nuffink Mr Australia, said that Mr Japan wasn't fond of sushi! 'Ow shockin' is that then?
AND, I 'ear that Mrs Germany goes for a shit every day! Amazin' innit?

Why are people so niaive, they allow diplomats to work on the same principle as homosexuals in the services. Don't ask, don't tell.
Then they have the effrontery to come over all self righteous, when they find they've been doing their jobs.