BS: Going to put y'all back in chains

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 29 Aug 12 - 10:33 AM

LBJ:"It'll he Reconstruction all over again"

Antilynching bill: Step toward Reconstruction II?

December 27, 2010 by Lew Powell

" North Carolina's Josiah Bailey became the first Democrat Southern senator to outline what he perceived as a dangerous aspect of the 1937 antilynching measure…. To him, it represented the vanguard of a much larger movement aimed at dismantling Southern society.

" I fear it, I dread it, I fight it, I argue against it because I know the moment it goes through the very men who put it forward will almost be compelled to go ahead with the old Civil Rights Act [of 1875]….

"Reconstruction all over again…. will destroy the South. "

– From "Delaying the Dream: Southern Democrat Senators and the Fight Against Civil Rights, 1938-1965″ by Keith M. Finley (2008)

The Civil Rights Act of 1875, passed in the waning days of the last biracial Congress of the 19th century, was not enforced, and the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional in 1883. It contained many provisions — such as guaranteed access to public accommodations — that eventually were included in 1960s legislation.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Aug 12 - 11:22 PM

Does the highly educated Bobert know more than this guy? At least this guy knows who made the remark.

Was he talking about slavery? You bet your ass he was.

Charlie Rangel: Biden's gaffe was clearly about slavery

CBS

(CBS News) Democratic Rep. Charlie Rangel says that Vice President Joe Biden's recent remarks that Republicans are "going to put y'all back in chains" were clearly referencing slavery -- and clearly a mistake.

Biden's Aug. 14 remarks to a crowd in Danville, Virginia drew sharp rebukes from Republicans and some Democrats who said he crossed the line.

Romney has vowed "to let the big banks write their own rules -- unchain Wall Street," Biden said in Danville. "They're going to put y'all back in chains."

The Obama campaign dismissed the "faux outrage" and said Biden was simply adopting the metaphor that Republicans first used by saying they wanted to "unshackle" businesses from regulations.

Rangel, however, said in a radio interview with Roberto Perez that the rhetoric was a mistake.

"Was he talking about slavery? You bet your ass he was. Was he using the vernacular? Yes, he was," said Rangel, a longtime New York Democrat who is a founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus. "Did he think it was cute ... Yes, he did. Was it something stupid to say? You bet your life it was stupid."

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Aug 12 - 11:09 PM

It's a shame you didn't learn anything at Blowhard U. about the Dixiecrats Bobert.

You heard about them and you want to brag about how much you know but you never present anything to support your assertions.

All you can do is stalk me and make hateful personal attacks.

Where is your highly educated analysis of What LBJ said? You don't want to talk about that, Only me.

Suit your self Bobert. The best defense is a good offense they say.

Now after your smokescreen distractions, back to the topic

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Aug 12 - 10:13 AM

Opps... Make that "1960 census".... typo... there wasn't a 1969 census...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Aug 12 - 08:52 AM

Google up the 1969 census (or even the 1970 census) and then ask yourself this question:

If we chase away all the white voters in the South and get the black voters will we win????

This comes down to logic over stringing together a lot of chicken manure to make chicken salad...

Just use simple logic, Saws... If you have any... Your hypothesis is badly flawed in terms of logic and real history... And, as per usual, it is based on taking quotes out of context... That makes for good conspiracy theories but will always come up short in the reality department... Not only that, as I have pointed out, it is not only academically lazy but downright ***dishonest***...

You badly need to go to college and get an education... What you have going now is Exhibit #2,869 that "a little learning is a dangerous thing"...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 11:10 PM

Why does somebody else have to say what you believe first?

Why do your convictions have to line up with someone elses?

You are on of the sheep in the flock seeking protection from Boss Hogg.

Definitely not a free thinker or an independent thinker.

"I'll have those ni**ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years"

"we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference."

Care to analyze these LBJ statements? Was that not a Southern Strategy?

I will admit that there were some Republicans that confessed to using a Southern Strategy way later on but the Dems used their Southern Strategy first.

Looks to me like the Democrats finally gave up fighting the Republicans against Civil Rights and fucked over the black people to get their vote. Now they think they own it and get all pissed when they go off the plantation and go conservative. Then they need to be lynched.

An ALL those Dixiecrats that turned into Republicans, the shitload, who were they? How many? Are you going to keep being a blowhard about that?

At least you are beginning to look for facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 10:57 PM

Aren't all of you ashamed that you fed the troll and wasted so much mudcat memory?
I know it's hard- I think I have almost broken the habit.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 10:41 PM

Where did "they" (?) say that the Dems or LBJ engineered the Southern Strategy, Saws???

Well, Clay Risen, which BTW is one guy, not two, didn't...

In other words, guess again...

You are grasping at anything...

Get an education, man... You are looking like a fish out of water... There are those of us who know American history and sniff out that fakes quite easily...

You, Sawz, fall in the category...

Your grade for tonight from a former American History teacher: F+... You get the plus for trying even if you ain't connecting any dots...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 10:13 PM

I think it is funny that Bobert would think someone else has prove his assertions.

The two scholars did their homework. Why can't Blowhard Bobert?

He must be ((((((((((yawn)))))))))))))) to buzzed.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 10:09 PM

No, I'm saying that Clay Risen's op-ed/article ain't all that it's cracked up to be in supporting your hypothesis that the Dems and/or LBJ engineered the Southern Strategy...

As for your Googling??? Exhibit #2,615 that you don't want to discuss issues but are pathologically obsessed with me...

But never mind your mental illness issues... Here's the real deal in terms of real American History... The Democratic Party and LBJ had nothing to gain by pushing the Civil Rights Act of 1964... The numbers weren't there... There weren't enough black voters to overcome the white reactionaries... If you, however, have knowledge that the 99% of American historians have missed then you need to lay it out...

If you don't??? Remember that song by Kenny Rogers??? "You gotta know when to fold 'um"??? You are there...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 09:56 PM

So you are throwing the New York Times under da bus and replacing it with the "source" that Soros, the 14th richest American, had to bail out to keep the mythology alive?

This is what I Googled up

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 09:12 PM

BTW, your op-ed doesn't contain one piece of evidence that LBJ or Dems engineered the Southern Strategy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 09:05 PM

Op-ed from another tin-foiler...

((((((((((yawn))))))))))))))...

B~

Oh, BTW, Sawz... Do us all a favor... Google up the 1960 census and check out the % of black voters in each Southern State, factor in the voter suppression of the times and then come back and, in your own words, re-explain your tin-foil hypothesis...

This one will be real funny...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 09:01 PM

You can drone on and on about the mental thing but how can you prove anything with logical falacies?

The Myth of the Southern Strategy

The New York Times, Bobert's Ahhhh, newspaper of record.

Everyone knows that race has long played a decisive role in Southern electoral politics. From the end of Reconstruction until the beginning of the civil rights era, the story goes, the national Democratic Party made room for segregationist members — and as a result dominated the South. But in the 50s and 60s, Democrats embraced the civil rights movement, costing them the white Southern vote. Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a "Southern strategy" that championed "states' rights."

It's an easy story to believe, but this year two political scientists called it into question. In their book "The End of Southern Exceptionalism," Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth. In the postwar era, they note, the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This class, not surprisingly, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interests: the G.O.P. Working-class whites, however — and here's the surprise — even those in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. (This was true until the 90s, when the nation as a whole turned rightward in Congressional voting.)

The two scholars support their claim with an extensive survey of election returns and voter surveys. To give just one example: in the 50s, among Southerners in the low-income tercile, 43 percent voted for Republican Presidential candidates, while in the high-income tercile, 53 percent voted Republican; by the 80s, those figures were 51 percent and 77 percent, respectively. Wealthy Southerners shifted rightward in droves but poorer ones didn't.

To be sure, Shafer says, many whites in the South aggressively opposed liberal Democrats on race issues. "But when folks went to the polling booths," he says, "they didn't shoot off their own toes. They voted by their economic preferences, not racial preferences." Shafer says these results should give liberals hope. "If Southern politics is about class and not race," he says, "then they can get it back."

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 08:28 PM

Delusional interpretation not based on reality or real history... I don't know where you come up with this tin-foil stuff but it falls within the 1% of the community of historians... In other words??? Well, there are no other words...

Just shameful and delusional interpretation not based on *fact*...

Sorry, pal, but you need mental help... But I guess deep inside you know that... You are the kinda person who will shoot up a theater and every one will go, "Well, we knew he wasn't right"...

Please get help soon... I'm serious...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 07:34 PM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh LBJ beat them to it as you can plainly see from his own quotes.

And as any 9th grader could tell you that "gonna put you back in chains" is dog whistle Southern Strategy to scare black folks into voting Democratic. Woooooooooo be scared of those Republicans. Better vote for us unless you want to be put back in chains.

I mean like how in hell did they get in chains to begin with?

But left wing nuts are not that great at puttin' 2 and 2 together for their self. They would rather be hearded like sheep.

They feel all warm an fuzzy when in a flock. They feel safer that way and protected from Boss Hogg who is a Democrat by the way.

When the Libs do occasionally try to put things together they come up with some bizarre shit like 2=1. Or BB gun=gold plated M16 or leasing, buying what's the difference?

Yup. They are better off in a flock. They need that protection, that heard mentality. They can't handle the world on their own.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 07:10 PM

Now, Wikipedia may not get every detail correct but if you Google up "Southern Strategy" this is how the text begins, Sawz:

"In American politics, the Souther Strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of winning elections in Southern states by exploiting anti-African American racism and fears among Southern white voters..."

I donno, Saws, but you certainly are either mentally challenged or don't comprehend the English language...

BTW, Google up LBJ while yer at it and check out what party he represented...

Geeze??? If you had been one of my students of American History I would have had you transferred in special-ed...

Very slow...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 06:50 PM

Greg:

"So you would expect that Abe would have violated his oath of office to protect the United States and the Constitution?"

Abe was a century and a half ago Greg.

What's next George Washington?

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 12:51 PM

You just got the education Bobert. But you choose to ignore facts.

So, when confronted, Bobert goes to his default, Blowhard, no facts position.

You would rather lash out in anger with personal attacks rather than present some facts of your own unless it is your 2=1 "fact" or Obama bought his campaign airplane.

Or unless you want to hark back to something Thomas Jefferson the slave owner said to support your hate speech.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 10:28 AM

LBJ was a half-century ago, Sawzall - what's next? Millard Fillmore & the Know-Nothings?

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 08:32 AM

No, mentally crippled Sawz... LBJ didn't engineer the Southern Strategy... The Republicans did...

Get an education...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Aug 12 - 11:45 PM

No I am talking abut the engineer of the Southern Strategy LBJ and the users of the Southern Strategy, Democrats.

"They're gonna put y'all back in chains"

LBJ Master of the Senate

"For the first time Negroes have a real leader. A religious leader. A nonviolent man of the cloth. You all know what that means, don't you? A colored Baptist preacher? That's one man who controls the colored community. . . The colored are not going to give up. They're determined. . . We can continue to push these things down their throats. They won't sit still any longer. We have to give them something. If we don't allow progress on this issue, were going to lose every-thing. There's going to be cloture. Rule 22 is going to go. And our opportunity to delay, or to slow down, and to bring some kind of an order to change. will be gone."

"Their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them, well lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all kinds of wild legislation. It'll he Reconstruction all over again."

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Aug 12 - 09:48 AM

The Southern Strategy that's now a keystone of the TeaPublican Party, ya mean? THAT Southern Strategy?

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 24 Aug 12 - 09:18 AM

Nevertheless, LBJ engineered the Southern Strategy.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 07:24 PM

Scholars STILL debate what LBJ actually thought about Civil Rights. He 'reassured' southern legislators while assuring the act's passage. Was he just aware that Kennedy's agenda had too much momentum to stop? Or he he really quietly seen the reality... much like both Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd did. They were all pretty good at 'seeming' to uphold southern attitudes, while keeping their jobs.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 06:29 PM

I got that picture, Krinkz... It is a great pic... Lousy sewing on the docs part... Must have graduated from Helen Keller Sewing School...

Lyndon also liked to drive his Lincoln around the ranch at 80 mph...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 05:24 PM

And showing off his scar. Holding his dog by the ears.
(:-( ))=

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 05:17 PM

Yup, lotta stuff - like stumping for and ensuring the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and signing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 04:16 PM

LBJ was definitely a very complex man... I mean, he did a lot of stuff as president that just didn't fit his Senate persona... Very strange bird, indeed...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 09:22 AM

The Southern Strategy begins:

LBJ Master of the Senate

"These Negroes. they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they've never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them dovirin, not enough to make a difference. For if we don't move at all. then their allies will line up against us and there'll be no way of stopping them, well lose the filibuster and there'll be no way of putting a brake on all kinds of wild legislation. It'll he Reconstruction all over again."

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 05:13 PM

The best things in life are free.
(:-( D)=

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: GUEST,999
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 05:05 PM

"Flog them with the cat-o-nine tails"

Most people have to pay for that . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: GUEST,nobody in particular
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 04:42 PM

I just saw a fantastic bumper sticker.

On the corner of it is an American flag, and to the right in bold letters, it reads, "Re-Elect Nobody!"

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Henry Krinkle
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 02:42 AM

I'd like to put everyone who believes in censorship in chains.
Flog them with the cat-o-nine tails
(:-( X)=

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 12 - 11:28 PM

Guess which famous Mudcatter said this:

"Don't get all carried away with Lincoln... There was a lot of George Bush in him...

Southern, redneck, emotional and dumb..."

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 12 - 06:07 PM

You forgot one Bobert.

4. R U uh Redn**K

a. No
b. Hail Yes
c. No but I would like to be one because I'd trade being vice-president in a heartbeat for having won Daytona.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Aug 12 - 05:25 PM

Map of 1860 election

Map of 2008 election

Remarkably similar - if you reverse the party colours.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Aug 12 - 02:22 PM

Don't like the idea of an IQ test as a requirement for voting but would seriously consider a test where everyone gets to vote but a test on "facts" being part of the test and the tin-foilers votes not being counted...

I mean, questions like:

1. Where was Barak Obama born? (Pick just one)

    a. Kenya
    b. Mars
    c. Hawaii

2. Does global warming exist? (Pick just one)

    a. Yes
    b. No

3. Which of the following is NOT a branch of government? (Pick just one)

    a. Judicial
    b. Legislative
    c. NASCAR

Ya'll get it... I mean, 10 basic fact based questions and make 'um get 7 outta ten in order for the vote to be counted...

BTW, there are states where kids can opt out of fact based classes if they say that the information they would learn might be in conflict with their religious beliefs??? Man, that is some messed up thinking...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 12 - 10:40 AM

The Democratic Platform

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 03:06 PM

Ha, I say.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: GUEST,nobody in particular
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 02:39 PM

No, I said that. You must have read it wrong. But then,you must favour, and belong to one of those half educated parties!
As for me, I'm a foreigner.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 02:16 PM

I presume that swapping ideologies, even if that were true, that Democrats could blame their past actions on someone else.

That is a cop out.

Lyndon Johnson said:

"I'll have those ni**ers voting Democrat for the next 200 years"

And Democrats still believe they own the Black people's vote. They believe Black people owe their vote to Democrats. It is in the Democrat's genes to own the black people and use them to their advantage just like their ancestors did.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 02:01 PM

"Now, as it is, anyone with half an education, is a Democrat. The ones with the other half, are Republicans."

Whether or not I agree with it, that's a pretty good line, GuestfromSanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 01:41 PM

""I sometimes wonder if an IQ test before voting would be good.""

That would only present the Repugs with yet another golden opportunity to disenfranchise the black vote, the gay vote and any other of their many hate objects.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 01:23 PM

Problem is that "that" Democratic Party isn't today's Democratic Party... The parties have swapped ideologies over the years... Lyndon Johnson said the Civil Rights Voting Act of1965 would ruin the Democratic Party in the South for a decade... Little could he know that white Southerners would never get over it... And haven't... Thus...

...the Southern Strategy is alive and well in the Republican Party...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: GUEST,nobody in particular
Date: 20 Aug 12 - 01:14 PM

Anyone with half an education knows that your Democratic Party was the ones big on segregation. Now, as it is, anyone with half an education, is a Democrat. The ones with the other half, are Republicans. The ones with objectivity, are either Independents or foreigners!

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 02:58 PM

I'm with ya on that last one, Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 01:42 PM

Well, Greg... The country was still evolving and trying to get it's head wrapped around federalism in 1860... Thomas Jefferson's observations that the Constitution would need some serious revisiting from time to time was fresher in the minds of Americans and politicians...

In spite of the current rich using "states rights" as a sword and shield these days the country is very much federalized... The rich don't want that to change but but are willing to stir up Redneck Nation with anti-government sentiments in order to elect politicians who will let the rich trash our nations environment and labor force...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 12:50 PM

"a hundred years of Jim Crow" Courtesy of the Democrats:

The rise and fall of Jim Crow

After the Civil War, white Southerners opposed Radical Reconstruction and the Republican Party's support of black civil and political rights.

The Democratic Party identified itself as the "white man's party" and demonized the Republican Party as being "Negro dominated," even though whites were in control. Determined to re-capture the South, Democrats "redeemed" state after state -- sometimes peacefully, other times by fraud and violence. By 1877, when Reconstruction was officially over, the Democratic Party controlled every Southern state.         

The South remained a one-party region until the Civil Rights movement began in the 1960s. Northern Democrats, most of whom had prejudicial attitudes towards blacks, offered no challenge to the discriminatory policies of the Southern Democrats.

After the Civil War, the Democratic Party in the South was the party of white supremacy. Now, African Americans form the party's most loyal base of support. One of the consequences of the Democratic victories in the South was that many Southern Congressmen and Senators were almost automatically re-elected every election. Due to the importance of seniority in the U.S. Congress, Southerners were able to control most of the committees in both houses of Congress and kill any civil rights legislation. Even though Franklin Delano Roosevelt was a Democrat, and a relatively liberal president during the 1930s and '40s, he rarely challenged the powerfully entrenched Southern bloc. When the House passed a federal anti-lynching bill several times in the 1930s, Southern senators filibustered it to death.

Subject: RE: BS: Going to put y'all back in chains
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Aug 12 - 12:39 PM

Meets with Jefferson Davis and says, "See ya 'round like a doughnut"...

So you would expect that Abe would have violated his oath of office to protect the United States and the Constitution?

Abe was a better man than that.

...the South would be further along in terms of humanity if Lincoln had just let it go... slavery was on its way out... without a hundred years of Jim Crow

Well, Bobert, I should think that the history of the country, especially from 1876 withdrawl of Federal Troops to the 1960's clearly shows those to be more than ridiculous statements.

...if the the majority of Southerners had wanted to ban slavery...

If the majority had wanted to ban slavery, they'd have voted for Lincoln and there would have been no civil war. And if wishes were horses....

The Civil War has been a anchor around this country.

Not quite- the legacy of chattel slavery and belief in the fairytale of "The Lost Cause" are the anchors you're thinking of.







without a hundred years of Jim Crow