BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 14 May 14 - 08:11 AM

Are the actions of Boko Haram in accordance with Islamic Sharia?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 14 - 08:04 AM

The same clip in The Spectator.
It must be genuine Jim.
Care to comment?
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2014/05/hamas-tv-teaches-children-to-kill-all-jews/

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 14 - 07:57 AM

Jim, you asked why daily mail had not picked it up.
Fox News did. Here is the same clip.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/09/terror-tv-for-tots-hamas-show-has-child-vowing-to-shoot-jews/

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 May 14 - 07:51 AM

ANYTHING that Jim disagrees with is "propaganda"-

Anything that he wants to be true is by definition so.


Just ask him.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 14 - 07:49 AM

Here is the same claim from Der Spiegel.
Reputable enough?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/wipe-out-the-jews-anti-semitic-hate-speech-in-the-name-of-islam-a-553724.html

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 May 14 - 07:46 AM

Jim, would that Hamas clip be shocking if it is genuine?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 May 14 - 07:39 AM

"this type of stunt is hyped out regularly and quite often swooped on by your crowd of fanatics - where is your authentication that it is the real thing?
Jim Carroll


YOU continue to judge others by what YOU do.


I gave the link to the VIDEO- GET YOUR OWN TRANSCRIPTION of the Arabic, and show us that it is not what is on the site. Otherwise, YOU are making an accusation without any basis.

Just make sure it is a NEUTRAL source, and not one of your Anti-Israeli propaganda sites.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 May 14 - 07:29 AM

So, Jim,

We can now ignore all your posts, as none of them are from truly neutral sources,just Pro-Palestinian propaganda.

Greg,

You are STILL out of duct-tape? Maybe you need to move up the chain to a larger animal.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 14 May 14 - 05:42 AM

No issue with examining Powell Jim. Other than a plaque outside a local hospital commemorating his laying of the foundation stone when a health minister , he has no influence outside of far right thugs and their apologists, who misinterpret him anyway.

The interesting thing about this thread is that before anyone tries to have a serious debate about what few here, me included, could begin to understand, look at the OP. The thread was set up to goad respectable people. It's full of "not the good Muslims who do as they are told but the other bastards" rhetoric.

Rather appalling really.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 May 14 - 02:40 AM

"Why bring a Tory / Unionist politician into it? "
Powell was an extremist who was even too extreme for his own Party - anything he had to say had to be measured by that fact.
The Pakistani communities in Britain were surveyed last year and found to be, of all immigrants to Britain, the most prepared to settle in Britain and the most ready to be identified as being British   
MUSLIM INTEGRATION INTO BRITAIN
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 14 May 14 - 02:06 AM

Why bring a Tory / Unionist politician into it?

Powell was a committed Christian, to use his own words, but what his unfortunate " rivers of blood" has to do with anything is beyond me. Almost every Muslim in this country is as British as me and was born here.

I'll ask the Imam on our hospital chaplaincy team why he hasn't issued a fatwa shall I ?

It's possibly because he is law abiding and fatwas are inflammatory statements if used willy nilly or used to with violence in mind. Do you even know what a fatwa is? Most impressionable young British Muslims going to Syria are being urged by their mosques as it is.

zzzzzzz

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 14 May 14 - 01:41 AM

1:   "Just about every Imam in The UK deplores the abuse of their creed by criminals but even if that made enough interest for newspapers, it still wouldn't influence the terrorists because Islam has no equivalent of the Archbishop, the Pope or the Noodly one."

Now that is odd Musket. I haven't heard of one single fatwa being issued by ANY Imam against these criminals {Boko Haram} who quote the Qur'an in justification for their murders, abductions, rapes and selling of children into slavery. Perhaps you have?

2: " The BNP and their predecessors, who deliberately targeted and attempted to infiltrate schools with their foul propaganda isn't too bad a British comparison of such hatred"

Any substantive evidence to back this up or is it just more shit that you have made up?

Enoch Powell's speech?

" For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition, their plans and prospects for the future defeated; at work they found that employers hesitated to apply to the immigrant worker the standards of discipline and competence required of the native-born worker; they began to hear, as time went by, more and more voices which told them that they were now the unwanted. On top of this, they now learn that a one-way privilege is to be established by Act of Parliament; a law which cannot, and is not intended to, operate to protect them or redress their grievances, is to be enacted to give the stranger, the disgruntled and the agent provocateur the power to pillory them for their private actions"

Many would say, and many could argue, that that is exactly what has happened.

" Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country… I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas."

A sentiment now commonly felt and practiced.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:41 PM

Its OK Jim, BBruce is just having another bout of serial postarrhoea. 'This too, shall pass' - of course there's some dispute whether the phrase originated with Persian Sufi poets or the ancient Hebrews......

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 04:05 PM

Palestine Media watch - an Israeli research unit
Still no authenticate souece for the film

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:01 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/07/world/middleeast/israeli-official-points-to-incitements-by-palestinians.html?_r=0

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:58 PM

And here is part of the Hamas Charter.

"Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: "Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware." From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers? "And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [himself] is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper." Sura 2 (the Cow), verse 120 There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game. As the hadith has it: "The people of Syria are Allah's whip on this land; He takes revenge by their intermediary from whoever he wished among his worshipers. The Hypocrites among them are forbidden from vanquishing the true believers, and they will die in anxiety and sorrow." (Told by Tabarani, who is traceable in ascending order of traditionaries to Muhammad, and by Ahmed whose chain of transmission is incomplete. But it is bound to be a true hadith, for both story tellers are reliable. Allah knows best.)
"


So, by their OWN words they renounce peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:54 PM

Jim,

HERE is the Arabic ( in the video)- check it out yourself.


http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=11384

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:49 PM

We can assume that you have no way of ascertaining that the programme was real then
The report is five days old - perhaps you can explain why the world press chose to ignore it then - where was the good ol' pro-Islam Daily mail when you needed it?
Come on Brucie - this type of stunt is hyped out regularly and quite often swooped on by your crowd of fanatics - where is your authentication that it is the real thing?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:34 PM

Feel free to find your own Arabic translator and provide us with a "different" transcript.

You have NEVER proved that any of the "quotes" or claims YOU have posted were true- so how can you demand that we prove it? Are you insisting on a different set of standards for what you post than you will accept from those you disagree with?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:27 PM

We've been through interpretations and out-of-context misinterpretations of the Quran - the Bible - and any holy book you care to name.
I'm suggesting that the film was fake - do you have any evidence of its authenticity, other than the extremist sources that covered it?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 01:58 PM

Sorry, that should be


And ANYTHING else that you don't want to hear is a fake?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 01:56 PM

So, Jim, the Hamas charter is a fake?


And the quote from the Qu'ran is a fake?


And nothing else you don't want to hear is a fake?


I will assume that you answered three times in the affirmative, so you don't need to respond here.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 01:48 PM

"Any comment on the Hamas clip?"
The source for this report is a film clip put up on Utube put up by The Middle East Media Research Institute, a Zionist group founded by an Israeli ex-Security officer.   
MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE
What reports there are, are based on that clip
Virtually all the press reports on it are carried by extremist outlets such as Washington Free Beacon, Bare Naked Islam, Sistah Tolja, The daily Caller, The Raw Story, Uncovering Sharia.... by and large, the world press has ignored it, with the notable exception of The Guardian, which carries only an account of someone condemning it - no substantiation of its being genuine.
Its almost certainly a fake.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 May 14 - 01:04 PM

Of course, too, Muslims are not a monolithic/united group.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:55 PM

Back to your trash can TC.

Any comment on the Hamas clip?
Any comment on the terrified girls forced to convert to Islam?
Does that not suggest a religious dimension?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:44 PM

The truth is what he said. He can't support all people being equal in case he loses members and influence in countries where governments, aided and abetted by his church, persecute their people.

It's simple enough.

Even simple enough for his own predecessor to distance himself from it.

If he has any shame, any moral conviction whatsoever, he should say that everybody has a right to be married and all marriage has the same value, and those who say a God is agin it are abusing the concept of God in the first place.

But he won't. He says nice things to gay people in the same way I say nice things to my dog.

Insignificant little hypocrite. No need to disestablish the church, it is marginalising itself without the help of rational people.

Why worry about Islamic radicals when even one of the least radical Christian cults can't bring itself to see others as equals? Islamic terrorists may have guerrilla tactics to further their cause, but CofE have votes in the upper house. Politicians go around saying this is a Christian country. Fucking scary or what?

At least his predecessor got it right. A post Christian country. You can't ignore your heritage and inheritance but as Clement Atlee said, you don't need the mumbo jumbo.


TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:31 PM

Will no-one express a view on the Hamas clip?
Will anyone even admit to seeing it?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:28 PM

Musket, I gave the actual, original quote you referred to.
If you want more context, Google the text and see it all.(Telegraph links do not work.)
You said the more recent Independent quote was a backpeddle, but I can provide that too if you wish.

If you produced the actual quote there could be no dispute, but clearly the truth is not good enough for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:22 PM

That is so-so in terms of accuracy, Jim. Please see the link.

Imams who have spoken against terrorism within Islam.

That said, the fact someone else does it too makes it neither more nor less right or wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:14 PM

"No better, Greg. But it still doesn't address The Silence of the Imams."
All churches will attempt to cover their arses when it comes to abuses within their own religions - you don't have to look further than the current child abuse or Magdalene Laundries to find a couple on our own doorsteps
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:07 PM

"Take it up with the Pope or the heads of the various Protestant denominations, Guest. Let me know how you make out."

No better, Greg. But it still doesn't address The Silence of the Imams.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:03 PM

Quote which quote? The original article, the article he wrote the other day in a different newspaper? The guarded apology on PM Reports? You gave an extract, minus any context as usual.

Or the many articles by decent people who were appalled at his weasel worded patronising excuses for putting power and influence over any moral stance.

He's supposed to be someone that gullible shallow people look to for moral guidance for crying out loud. Saying he wants to accept gay people as equals is far cry from declaring that they are, and that is in his power. Rewrite the fucking bible if necessary. About time the evil disgusting bits were deleted anyway if fools insist on using it as a weapon.



ETC.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 10:10 AM

VTC, quote the quote and there can be no dispute.
He did not say what you accuse him of saying.

I gave you the actual quote.
Ask Officer Dibble TC.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 10:06 AM

Oh... Is that my third lie then Keith?

Add it to your tally eh?

TC


By the way, you should have said "wouldn't" not "didn't" if you are replying to my previous post TC.





VTC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 09:57 AM

No he didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 08:40 AM

So, allowing for paraphrasing, I did read it rather than dream about it after all.

I repeat. The Archbishop would rather appease homophobic thugs than gave empathy with decent people.

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 14 - 08:32 AM

You've got that exactly backwards, FW - not surprising, of course, for someone who has his head up his arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:52 AM

Islamic radicalism transcends cultures.
Its operates in Asia, Middle East, Africa, Europe,......
The common factor is terror for the purpose of destroying democracy and imposing Islamic rule and the Sharia by force.
Take away the religion, and what is left?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:40 AM

Where is this justified in any religious text?

BINGO! So maybe this ISN'T about Islam after all, eh, but a cultural norm??

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:29 AM

Watch the clip and give your view.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:26 AM

"Now, did the Nazis ever put propaganda to very young children (5-6) that killing Jews ("all of them") is good and fun?"
Even worse - they put forward the argument that the Jews were a threat to the German people and the vast majority of the people accepted that argument and turned their backs while they did what they did.
Many of the German people knew of the existence of the extermination centres and did nothing.
Youngsters flocked to join the Hitler youth and anti-Semitism was ann inbuilt feature of German education
"No single target of nazification took higher priority than Germany's young. By 1937, 97% of all teachers belonged to the National Socialist Teachers' Union. Every member of this union had to submit an ancestry table in triplicate with official documents of proof. Courses and textbooks in Nazi schools reflected the aims of Hitler. Of the topics that teachers were required to treat, the most important was racial theory and, by extention, the Jewish problem. In The National Socialist Essence of Education, a German educator wrote that mathematics was "Aryan spiritual property; .. an expression of the nordic fighting spirit, of the nordic struggle for the supremacy of the world..."[1] An example of racial propaganda in a math problem is the following: "The Jews are aliens in Germany--in 1933 there were 66,060,000 inhabitants in the German Reich, of whom 499,682 were Jews. What is the per cent of aliens?"[2]"   
PRE-WAR GERMAN EDUCATION
This wasn't a backward, Third-World African country fighting starvation-class poverty amid battles for territorial and political dominance, It was one of the strongest and most advanced nation in he world.
How dare you compare as being worse the behavior of a group of sick fanatics in the process of manipulating people with that of a super-power fighting for world dominance
Sick moron
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:18 AM

Over the past few weeks, The Telegraph has been given unprecedented access to the Archbishop after his first year in office. In the interview, he speaks in detail about the dilemma he is facing over gay marriage — and the influence of recent visits he has made to Africa over the issue.
"We are struggling with the reality that there are different groups around the place that the Church can do — or has done — great harm to," the Archbishop says. "You look at some of the gay, lesbian, LGBT groups in this country and around the world — Africa included, actually — and their experience of abuse, hatred, all kinds of things." But he says: "We must both respond to what we've done in the past and listen to those voices extremely carefully. Listen with love and compassion and sorrow. And do what is possible to be done, which is not always a huge amount."
The Archbishop adds: "At the same time there are other groups in many parts of the world who are the victims of oppression and poverty, who we also have to listen to, and who find that issue an almost impossible one to deal with.
"How do you hold those two things [in balance] and do what is right and just by all? And not only by one group that you prefer and that is easier to deal with? That's not acceptable." In the interview, the Archbishop speaks of his pain at travelling to South Sudan in the aftermath of a massacre of dozens of Christians. He speaks of crying with his wife while watching a mass burial in Bor. On Thursday, the town was the scene of another atrocity when at least 58 people were killed in an attack on a UN base.
However, even in the midst of the horrific situation witnessed by the Archbishop, the local religious leaders asked about homosexuality – making clear that if blessings of gay marriage were allowed to proceed then they would not accept his help in future.
"I do believe passionately that unity is something we have to maintain," the Archbishop said privately soon afterwards. "I may be wrong, but I also believe that to take a step that means that people who desperately need our help — and who we can help — can't take it, feel in their own culture that it is impossible to be helped by us, is something that we can't easily do."
In previous public statements, he appeared to indicate that if the Church did bless gay marriages this could lead to Christians being targeted in Africa.
However, the Archbishop now says that his previous position was misinterpreted, and denies that he is effectively being blackmailed. "What I said is that I have been in places where that has been the reason given for attacking people," he says. "Now, as I said then — and this is where there was misinterpretation — that doesn't mean that you don't do certain things. That would just be giving in to that kind of terror.
"It would be moral blackmail. You can't say, 'We're not going to do X, which we think is right, because it will cause trouble'. That's ridiculous."

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:10 AM

Musket, here is the actual quote from the Telegaraph to whom he gave the interview.
"In an interview with The Telegraph, the Most Rev Justin Welby says that the Church had probably caused "great harm" to homosexuals in the past — but there was not always a "huge amount" that could be done now to rectify the situation.
Although indicating that he was sympathetic to calls for the Church to publicly honour gay relationships, the Archbishop says that it is "impossible" for some followers in Africa to support homosexuality. In the interview, the leader of the Anglican Church, which has 77 million followers globally, speaks movingly of the persecution faced by Christians in parts of the world. He indicates that the Church must not take a step that would cut off these groups, most of them in the third world, however much this angers parts of society in Britain"

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 06:52 AM

I repeat.

The Archbishop of Canterbury said that if his church supported gay marriage, he would lose influence in Uganda.

You can't change facts by denying them Keith.

If his church was about love thy neighbour, he'd put people above his own size of club.

Even his own predecessor said his comments were unfortunate. He back pedalled slightly in his article in yesterday's Independent, but not enough to upset the dangerous religious cranks propping up disgraceful governments.

Christianist radicalism anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 06:27 AM

Not true Jim.
I distrusted the claims and took the trouble to check a sample of them.
I honestly was unable to find a single false claim, AND NEITHER COULD YOU OR ANYONE ELSE!

Now, did the Nazis ever put propaganda to very young children (5-6) that killing Jews ("all of them") is good and fun?
What is your opinion of the Hamas clip?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:56 AM

You supports Muslim Watch's list of Mulim "atrocities" without qualification, demanding that we prove they were wrong
What is happening in Nigeria is the work of a group of fanatics.
Nazi atrocities were perpetraed by a Government who were voted into office
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:48 AM

Until such time as I see the real Imams speak against atrocities, I will be left to conclude they agree. After all, it's just talk, right?

Hmm. Pius XII oversaw the removal of hundreds of Italian Jews to death camps and the expediting of the escape of Nazi war criminals to South America, and there's even talk of maybe making him a saint. Not much "speaking against" there, was there, and that was just the tip of a hundreds-of-years-old antisemitic iceberg.

Good to watch, though, Liverpool, eh, Musket?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:39 AM

The Nazis killed Jews, but it was never openly discussed, and certainly never put to children as a good and fun thing to do.

In this respect, Hamas out-Nazis the Nazis.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:28 AM

Have you watched the clip?
What is your view?

(And why the lie that I have supported any site?
Trying to discredit again, but not what I actually say.)

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:18 AM

"I do not believe that even that Nazis pushed such hatred at small children."
Don't be so ******* stupid - the Nazis - they portrayed all Jews and Gypsies, men, women and children, as genetically degenerate and gassed them - it doesn't come more hateful than that.
If you care to find modern equivalents of how Muslims are portrayed, take a look at some of the sites you've supported in the pat - Muslim Watch, for instance.
The BNP and their predecessors, who deliberately targeted and attempted to infiltrate schools with their foul propaganda isn't too bad a British comparison of such hatred 0- not forgetting, of course, Eunuch Poewll's 'Rivers of Blood' speech (and the support it got.
The facilitating of the Sabra/Shatila massacre by the Israelis (and your support for that obscenity by describing it as merely "seeking out the enemy") falls well within a comparison.
Race and cultural hatred breeds an inhumanity that prompts these appalling statements, and pretending it they are confined to one single culture, religion or race is part of that humanity.
What kind of hate-pills are you one?
Jim Carroll