BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 04:48 AM

I do not believe that even that Nazis pushed such hatred at small children.
That clip represents something uniquely appalling.
Very you children being taught that killing Jews, "all of them" is a laudable ambition for a young child.

The Archbishop of Canterbury stated the other week that if the church supported equality for gay people, he would lose his influence in Uganda.
No he didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:55 AM

Any religious radicalism is hateful. I watched the News last night and felt sad to see the young Nigerian girls at a school in the North. They were wearing silly gingham veils wrapped round their heads and shoulders, in that heat. I've seen such lovely African brightly-coloured clothes on girls elsewhere, but the fundamentalists insist these lassies must cover every inch of themselves. Sad and twisted ideas.
Then, far worse, an item about female genital mutilation in Egypt. Muslims there almost all insist on this evil procedure for girls between 11 and 13. They euphemistically call it 'circumcision' but that barely begins to describe what is done. The item concerned deaths from infection and kidney failure. A chap spoke to camera saying that all women are lustful and must be 'circumcised' to stop them 'running after men'. A women declared her daughters would be 'done' when the time came. Where is this justified in any religious text? It makes me feel quite sick.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:17 AM

"Why the gratuitously abusive "moron" insult?"
When the moron I am addressing stops behaving like one and stops insulting our intelligence
Until such time, it isn't gratuitous - it is merely returning tit for tat.
"Radical Islam is engaged in the most brutal indiscriminate killings"
Not it is not - peop;e throughout the world are engaging in various fights for political and territorial power under the banner of Islam - just as we in the West have engaged in the same type of conflicts "for God, King and country" or "with God on our side"....
That there are religious nutters seeking to make capital out of this is undoubted, but we have our own pseudo-nutters, like yourself, who are engaging in your own Crusades to prove that 'those who kick with the other foot' or who come from 'somewhere else', or 'don't live like us' are an evil force and a threat to 'our way of life'.
You have had a summing up of what is happening, in Nigeria, for instance, from Christians on the ground there; the fact that you have chosen to ignore what they, and many others, have to say about these conflicts, is par for your own so-called Christian course.
Holy wars per se exist only in the heads of religious or pseudo-religious fanatics - "It's all in the mind, you know", as the Famous Eccles used to say.
The religious hate against Jews is echoed by similar hate by and against all religions somewhere or other in the world - you are one of those hate merchants, with your appalling "cultural implants".
Take your fanaticism and hatred somewhere else and let us live in peace.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:02 AM

And tea with the vicar isn't?

The Archbishop of Canterbury stated the other week that if the church supported equality for gay people, he would lose his influence in Uganda.

And we can't have that, can we?



After all, Christianity is a hierarchical concept, whereas Islam isn't. The post by guest# above demonstrates the general ignorance of people towards other cultures. Just about every Imam in The UK deplores the abuse of their creed by criminals but even if that made enough interest for newspapers, it still wouldn't influence the terrorists because Islam has no equivalent of the Archbishop, the Pope or the Noodly one.

Liverpool on the other hand tend to have hard luck stories and cobwebs in their trophy cabinet. Did you know Mr Shaw, that Sheffield Wednesday picked up silverware this season? Just saying like...

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:00 AM

Musket, if you watched that clip you would not compare it to what churches mosques and temples do.
Does anyone condone it?

Jim,
When are these morons going to come to terms with the fact that in the main, these are not religious conflicts, but disputes over territory and political power,

Why the gratuitously abusive "moron" insult?
Radical Islam is engaged in the most brutal indiscriminate killings to bring down democracy and impose Islamic rule under the Sharia.

So it is about territory, power AND religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 May 14 - 10:14 PM

Take it up with the Pope or the heads of the various Protestant denominations, Guest. Let me know how you make out.

In the meantime chew on this

Hey, Boo- in the meantime, kiss my arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 May 14 - 08:50 PM

Until such time as I see the real Imams speak against atrocities, I will be left to conclude they agree. After all, it's just talk, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 12 May 14 - 08:37 PM

So Greg did my post of an example of Islamist hate against Jews, on a thread entitled "Islamic radicalism", offend your delicate sensibilities because you are in denial of the issue or is it because you are unable to understand the distinction between Islam and Islamism? Or is it because the target of the hate is Jews? In any case I will be posting many more examples of Islamic radicalism so if you don't want your delicate sensibilities offended I am giving you fair warning. In the meantime chew on this from my Muslim friend, Tarek Fatah:

This is Hawa Abdo This is her new name. We don't know her original name because her enslavers have forcible converted her to Islam and given her a new name.

She is just one of the nearly 300 Christian girls abducted and then enslaved as sex slaves for the jihadi goons of Boko Haram in Nigeria.

Next time an Islamist strokes his beard and flaunts the claim, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, this child will come to mind.

Disgraceful conduct not just by the Boko Haramis, but the entire Muslim world and specially its leadership and also those hiding behind the burka of 'moderate Muslim' label.

Tarek Fatah

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 14 - 08:03 PM

Sublimely nice post, Musket. Now will you please agree with me that it was a complete arse that a Liverpool team containing six English blokes plus one Welsh bloke were pipped by a petrochemical team containing one English player (the bloody goalie fer chrissake) which has been bought with 640 million quid...?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 May 14 - 07:11 PM

In view of all the stupid posts that have appeared on Mudcat I would have to say that this one is right up there with the stupidest - congratulations Greg - you're the champ! M

Sorry, Boo- can't acept the honor, since it was in response to YOUR post "lets shoot all the Jews".

Or have you forgotten that one already, Champ?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 12 May 14 - 06:51 PM

"Hey, Boo! Let's shoot all the Muslims, instead. Right?"

In view of all the stupid posts that have appeared on Mudcat I would have to say that this one is right up there with the stupidest - congratulations Greg - you're the champ!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 12 May 14 - 06:41 PM

Aye, brainwashing kids. Good job kids aren't allowed in churches till they are adults and can decide for themselves whether to feel guilty for being themselves. We don't allow brainwashing here do we? We don't have an Education Secretary allowing cults to set up schools and teach nonsense alongside science.

zzzzzzz

I notice on the news a right wing skinhead is standing outside mosques in Bradford shouting at people going in and trying to force bibles into their hands.

A bit of a bugger this Islamic radicalism. Not like decent normal Christians eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 14 - 06:23 PM

Can't engage well with all this. Largely because I can seldom get into Mudcat at all at the times I'm free to try. However, this from Jim is, to me, the only honest way to see these things:

When are these morons going to come to terms with the fact that in the main, these are not religious conflicts, but disputes over territory and political power, and atrocities are not confined to one side - all wars take place with claims of "God on our side"

Nobody ever fought a war for God. Wars are never about something as trivial as that. It behoves us all to cast aside our favourite theories and tendentious notions and look for the real reasons wars are waged. Jim nails it here. The people who kidnapped those poor girls may well be hiding under some assumed, perverted definition of Islam, but they are, most decidedly, not Islamists. Nothing in Islam permits or would condone the atrocity they are committing. They are thugs, and let's not glorify them by calling them something else, especially when to do so would suit rather well our own political or religious predilections.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 12 May 14 - 10:18 AM

This is what passes for entertainment on Gaza's state run TV channel. I can only imagine the reaction if the tables were turned and Israel's state TV were to promote such treatment of Palestinians to young children.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 May 14 - 10:05 AM

Does anyone condone that Hamas TV clip?
Is it ever right to brainwash kids with such hatred?
Is it not a crime against the children targeted?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 12 May 14 - 09:58 AM

"Well, Boo, seems to have manipulated YOU alright."

Yeah right Greg - you're the one throwing the word around....doh!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 May 14 - 09:45 AM

"is an emotive and tendentious dislocation of the language"
You appear to be attempting to censor the way I put forward my point of view
I'm not being abusive - I don't believe I am being offensive - I am merely making comparisons I believe to be valid.
I find it offensive that anybody should undermine an entire ethic or cultural group by lumping them in with the extremists
I find it offensive that you, and others refuse to respond to questions of what you feel should happen to these people who make you uncomfortable.
I have yet to ask you not to express the opinions you have, nor would I dream of doing so
Comparisons with Nazism have come from within Israel, as have the use of the term, "Apartheid State".
You put down my objection to Keith's "cultural implant" accusation as "a misunderstanding on my part" - it seems you are happy to defend extreme language if it fortifies your own opinions.
You have persistently sneered at my concern for racism and my efforts to have it toned down on this forum and you have shown yourself quite capable of abuse in response to things you don't agree with.
Perhaps when you begin to show some awareness of the effects irrational xenophobia such as yours has on the lives of people who, in the main, appear to be peaceable and law-abiding, maybe you might have some claim of consideration for your own sensitivities.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 May 14 - 09:42 AM

to manipulate morons

Well, Boo, seems to have manipulated YOU alright.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 12 May 14 - 09:23 AM

Previous GUEST post was me.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 14 - 09:22 AM

"Not that would stop you tarring all Muslims with your usual Islamaphobic brush."

Islamophobia - "a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons."

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 May 14 - 02:56 PM

Be all that as it may, Jim: I still maintain that the use of the term 'extremist' of the actions and policies & established forensic systems of a legally constituted government, internationally recognised as such, is an emotive and tendentious dislocation of the language. And would urge you to recollect the steps thought necessary to moderate the activities of the one you cited in reply last time I made this point. And then appreciate how ill-considered comparisons & analogies are liable to turn around and bite you on the bum. Or do you really think similar reactions would be appropriate to curb the activities of the adultress-stoners and rape-victim caners? Or if not, then what is your point precisely?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 May 14 - 01:46 PM

Hey, Boo! Let's shoot all the Muslims, instead. Right?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 11 May 14 - 01:25 PM

Nice eh?

A recent episode of the Hamas-affiliated television program Pioneers of Tomorrow featured a disturbing combination of talking bee mascot and a discussion of shooting Jews — all of them.

Hamas TV for kids: Let's shoot all the Jews!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 May 14 - 01:16 PM

"Well done, Jim: it was you who obeyed Godwin's Law and made this inevitable comparison.."
Ad it's you who consistently refuses to see the comparisons Mike
Blame the Muslims - blame the Jews - it's all the same foetid bigotry as far as I'm concerned, and in both cases, it kills people.
The difference appears to be that you choose to choose a 'special case' for one while indulging in bigotry against the other.
You appear to be able to live with that.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 May 14 - 12:59 PM

Gee Greg I wonder who should I think would have more credibility

You missed the point entirely, Boo, or, more likely, you're simply ignoring it. Try re-reading 10 May 14 - 01:25 PM

when it comes to knowledge of matters Islam

We're not discussing "matters Islam", Boo - we're discussing extremists.
Not that would stop you tarring all Muslims with your usual Islamaphobic brush.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 May 14 - 02:37 PM

"But it wasn't 'extremism', "
I seem to remember six million reasons why not to trust "legally elected governments" ...
.,,.
Well done, Jim: it was you who obeyed Godwin's Law and made this inevitable comparison... But 'extremism', however defined, carries an overtone of small fringe splinter groups. Totalitarianism in government is another thing entirely.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 14 - 02:24 PM

For the record Boko Harem came into existence in 2002 - Islam is how old exactly?
I hav no problem in describing this mob as extremist nutters - you ant your team are targetting Muslims.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 14 - 02:10 PM

"But it wasn't 'extremism', "
I seem to remember six million reasons why not to trust "legally elected governments"
As for them working within the precepts of "the professed and established state religion" all religion is open to misinterpretation and misuse - does't make them Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or anyting - just extremism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 10 May 14 - 02:05 PM

"Your knowledge of human nature is sorely lacking."

Gee Greg I wonder who should I think would have more credibility when it comes to knowledge of matters Islam - someone who was once an adherent of the faith, renounced it and is now a fierce opponent of it where it comes to matters of women's rights and some of it's more violent aspects as practiced by Muslim extremists or some folk music enthusiast on an internet folk music forum......hmm, that's a tough one, let me give it some thought......NOT!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:52 PM


I doubt an interview with an aid worker becomes BBC editorial, but who am I to tell .
Such a story most certainly would.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:37 PM

But it wasn't 'extremism', for crying out loud, Jim; it was the action of the legal, democratically elected government, working within the teachings and precepts of the professed and established state religion. Isn't that just the sort of point you can never get into your hidebound ☠!

Oh, what's the use!...

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:25 PM

along with her abandonment of the Muslim faith

Gee, Boo- ya think that may be one of the reasons she's a Fox News Nutcase & says the extreme, hysterical, nonsensical things she does??

Like many a "former _______________" (drinker, smoker, Scientologist, whatever) she's simply intoleranty of anyopne who hasn't "seen the light".

Your knowledge of human nature is sorely lacking.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:24 PM

"Oh yes, of course, Jim. Nothing but tribal conflict tore that poor girl's buttocks to shreds. "
As I said - and as you choose to ignore, there are extremists involved in all these conflicts - you are getting as good as Keith with your crocodile tears wept for beaten Children on the one hand, while ignoring the killing of three-year olds by Christians.
They are ugly, vicious wars carried out by thugs - of all denominations.
Good job it wasn't British soldier hacked to death by a Muslim nutter or we'd have needed Noah to pull us out of the deluge.
My poit is that whatever they might be, they are not Holy Wars, as your little volcano-squatting cabal would have them to be.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:19 PM

I doubt an interview with an aid worker becomes BBC editorial, but who am I to tell .

After all, according to Keith, I tell lies. So.. Where do we start.. Still got that court order out on you Keith?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:01 PM

"UNICEF condemns the decision to allow the public flogging of 17-year-old Bariya Ibrahim Magazu in the northern Nigerian State of Zamfara on Friday, as punishment for becoming pregnant outside of marriage.
Bariya, who cannot read or write, was apparently not aware of her right to appeal her sentence and was not provided with adequate legal counsel. Her case has provoked a torrent of criticism from within Nigeria and around the world - not only because the girl testified that her pregnancy resulted from rape, but because of the fundamental violation of human rights that flogging represents. Bariya was lashed with a cane 100 times on Friday." Unicef Press Release 2010
.,,.,
Oh yes, of course, Jim. Nothing but tribal conflict tore that poor girl's buttocks to shreds. Nothing whatever, of course, to do with this occurring in the Islamic part Of N Nigeria where Sharia Law applies.

God, but you can be an obstinate hidebound know-it-all holier-than-thou fool when the fit comes on you...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 14 - 12:54 PM

The word, according to the Anglicans - but maybe they aren't your type of 'Christian.
Jim Carroll.
"According to a report by a high level Christian-Muslim taskforce comprising the World Council of Churches (WCC) and the Royal Jordanian Aal Al Bayt Institute (RABIIT), while the violence between Christians and Muslims in Nigeria is the worst between members of the two faiths since the Bosnian war of 1992-1995, the sectarian conflict is driven by poverty, inequality and injustice."
BEYOND RELIGIOUS TENSIONS

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 14 - 12:43 PM

"Boko Haram say they are fighting a Holy War."
Maybe - but this is a tiny and extremist part of a larger picture
You have consistently presented these conflicts as Holy Wars - they are not.
Muslims have been fighting in Syria in opposition to the Assad regime's despotism - thyey are prominent in doing so because the rest of the world couldn't give a toss.
The Muslims in Syria are freedom fighters, but your sick manipulation has made what is happening there a "Holy War".
Once again, you are leeching off the deaths of innocents to feed your bigotry.
The same with Nigeria - a conflict between disputing tribes which has been going on since at least 1960 - not a holy war, but a fight for political and territorial influence - nothing to do with religion.
By your sick logic, the war in Afghanistan is a Holy War between Muslims and Christians.
Is this the way your particular religion has brought you up to behave as a Christian?
I don't know any Christians whose religion resembles your twisted bigotry.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 10 May 14 - 12:05 PM

From the Richard Dawkins Foundation:Innovating for a Secular World

"Ayaan [Hirsi Ali] is a fellow with the Future of Diplomacy Project at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard Kennedy School. She is also a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, currently researching the relationship between the West and Islam. Her willingness to speak out for the rights of women, along with her abandonment of the Muslim faith, continue to make her a target for violence by Islamic extremists. She lives with round-the-clock security.

A few weeks ago, Ayaan and I had a long conversation about her critics and about the increasingly pernicious meme of "Islamophobia"—which our inimitable friend Christopher Hitchens once dubbed "a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons."

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 14 - 11:52 AM

Boko Haram say they are fighting a Holy War.
Wall St. Journal 2 days ago.
But little attention has been paid to the group's(Boko Haram's) formal Arabic name: Jam'at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-da'wa wal-Jihad. That roughly translates as "The Fellowship of the People of the Tradition for Preaching and Holy War." That's a lot less catchy than Boko Haram but significantly more revealing about the group and its mission. Far from being an aberration among Islamist terror groups, as some observers suggest, Boko Haram in its goals and methods is in fact all too representative.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303701304579549603782621352

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 14 - 11:39 AM

Describing the situation in Nigeria as a holy war is totally dishonest.
The present problems date back to it being granted Independence in 1960, exacerbated by the end of the Cold War - it is a dispute for territory and political control - not an Islamic holy war, as our resident Islamophobes claim.
Not to say that Islamists aren't involved or aren't committing atrocities - but it has nothing to do with being a Muslim.
Why do you turdules - especially those maggots who describe themselves 'Christian' but represent paganism at its worst, turn a human tragedy into an attack on someone else's religion?
Jim Carroll
Culturally, Nigeria is a multitribal system in which every tribe wants to excel or suppress the other, so they are not on the same level playgrounds. Every person in politics is regionalized and people are capitalizing on that. Once leadership is zoned in the country, one cannot expect to get the best, but Nigerians are trying to live with what they presently have. There are more than 300 different tribal groups in Nigeria, all of which belong to the political definition "Nigerian" but are distinct from one another in terms of cultural practices. Added to this are economic disparities among the various groups, as well as potential for conflict on religious grounds, especially between the long-established Muslim population and the rapidly growing Christian sector.
THE PRESENT NIGERIAN CONFLICT

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 14 - 11:04 AM

BBC today.
"Mrs Obama, who was speaking ahead of Mother's Day in the US on Sunday, said the girls reminded her and her husband of their own daughters.

"What happened in Nigeria was not an isolated incident. It's a story we see every day as girls around the world risk their lives to pursue their ambitions," she said.

She cited the Pakistani schoolgirl and campaigner Malala Yousafzai, who was shot and wounded by the Taliban for speaking out for girls' education. "

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 14 - 09:57 AM

"Jim, unlike you I did not think it sensible for Western troops to intervene in another Arab land."
So that's why you proposed ssad be sold equipment to kill and suppress the Syrian people?
Please don't attempt to associate your open appeasement of human rights abuses to my opposition to it again.
Whatever I might be, you are a rightist turd.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 14 - 09:51 AM

Jim, unlike you I did not think it sensible for Western troops to intervene in another Arab land.
Obama's proposed limited strikes over chemical weapons were only supported here by we two.
Britain's 3 parties, US 2 parties and Holland's party in France were with us, UKIP and the Teas with Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 14 - 09:45 AM

Musket, You claimed to have heard BBC report Christians attacking a Muslim school in Nigeria, killing the children and feeding them to pigs.
There is no trace of such a story on BBC or any other news site, and no-one else has heard of any such atrocity because you made it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 14 - 08:19 AM

"Parliament outvoted the government"
That's what I said - Britain refused to intervene.
Those opposing Assad at the present time, whatever we might think of their religion and politics, are in fact freedom fighters, ad it is a characteristic of ultra-rights like yourself to pass off freedom fighting as terrorism - its as old as Hereward the Wake.
Putting a war against a serial torturer and mass-murderer just about confirms your 'ultra-rightness'.
"all Mudcat apart from us two were against."
You persist in this lie - giving me the opportunity once more to point out that you, despite all your Uriah Heep hand-wringing for the murdered of Homs, not only opposed intervention ("we can't ber expected to fight everybody's wars" or some such garbage) , but you actually expressed support for Assad by apporoving of Britain having supplied armoured cars, tear gas, water cannon, sniper rifle bullets (which you mistook for rifles, but still condoned them) and other anti-personnel equipment - the last time we argued about it, that remained your position.
You topped that by defending the sale of chemicals which quite likely added to the chemical weapons he used on Syrian civilians.
Like it or not, you really fell out of the closet as a pro-Assadite on that occasion.
Back to the main point - Christians are just as capable of slaughtering those of other religions when it suits them; sometimes it has been actually about religion - on this occasion it is about political of disputed territories.
I used to have the old newspaper cutting reporting the Pope blessing the bombs being sent to kill the people of Abyssinia.
Funny old thing, religion!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 10 May 14 - 08:17 AM

Funny way to say sorry keith...

After all, the feeding of bodies to pigs would, if it were Muslims doing it to Christians rather than the other way around, something you would be shouting from the rooftops...

Just because an account from an aid worker doesn't make The Daily M*ail doesn't mean you can breathe a sigh of relief for your precious church...

Perhaps when you stop calling me a liar for noting the account, (the truth of which I never put forward one way or another, I leave calling stories "truth" to you and your prejudices) you might get a more measured response than TC.

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 14 - 08:05 AM

Jim, about your two examples of Christians persecuting Muslims.

Bosnia. The British Army defended the Muslims and brought peace.
Small cheer?

CAR.
After years of peaceful co-existence, Muslims seized power and began massacring Christians. What you report is the backlash which can not be defended but it was those massacres that caused the hatred.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 14 - 07:11 AM

Parliament outvoted the government, even though all 3 parties were in favour of intervention, as were both US parties.
Only UKIP and the Tea Party and all Mudcat apart from us two were against.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 May 14 - 06:57 AM

When are these morons going to come to terms with the fact that in the mann, these are not religious conflicts, but disputes over territory and political power, and atrocities are not confined to one side - all wars take place with claims of "God on our side"
"Many of the attacks by the anti-balaka involved shocking brutality: a Muslim nomadic cattle herder told Human Rights Watch she was forced to watch as anti-balaka fighters cut the throats of her three-year-old son, two boys, ages 10 and 14, and an adult relative – all the Muslim males in the cattle camp. A man tearfully described escaping from anti-balaka attackers, only to watch in horror from a hiding place as they proceeded to cut the throats of his two wives, his 10 children and a grandchild, as well as other Muslims they had captured.
A Muslim woman told Human Rights Watch that she was outside cooking at 5 a.m. when the anti-balaka came and attacked their home: "They began to cut my husband with their machetes on his side and his back, and cut his throat. After they killed him, they set our house on fire, and threw his body on the fire, together with my son's. They ordered my 13-year-old boy to come outside and lie down, and then cut him two times with a machete and killed him."
HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH

38,000 Muslim civilians were slaughtered by Christians in former Yugoslavia.
These are wars for territory and influence - religion is a flag some of them fly under, and, as in all wars, they are as bad as one another.
Syria is a disgusting example of what happens when nothing is done by the "civilised" nations (sic) - it was a war against Assad's atrocities (backed by UK and American support) and remains exactly the same - those now opposing Assad making up for Western inaction.
It is not surprising that Britain voted against intervention against their old ally and trading partner.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 May 14 - 03:58 AM

these "Islamists" are as much the enemy of less extreme Muslims as they are of the rest of the world.
I agree, and also note that Jihadists in Syria and Iraq are fighting a purely inter-Muslim holy war.