BS: Scooter...FREE!

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 04:09 PM

I'm inclinded not to think so. Remember Ronald Reagan--too dumb to pour piss out of a boot--all he ever did was look into the television cameras and read script off a teleprompter. But now historians talk about Reagan doin this, and Reagan doing that.
          George Bush Sr. did more as the VP than Reagan ever did, but he doesn't get credit for it, and probably doesn't want it.

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From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 11:16 PM

Oh, yeah! They will definitely remember THIS one! I can't believe my sister and brother went to the same high school! I sold a Christmas card he'd sent my mom, on ebay when they were running for election the first time. That's one I kind of wished I'd waited on...probably would have made more. No, my mom wasn't a friend, really. She knew him when she served as a senior rep. on the state law review or some such. I miss her, but am glad she has not been here to see what has happened with those two in office.

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From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 11:08 PM

...but historians rarely seem to remember vice presidents.

I'll bet they remember this one. After all, most people who remember Charlie McCarthy also remember Edgar Bergen.

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 10:52 PM

"Thanks, fellahs. I figured the two names I used are the most relevant for the times.:-)"

            Not really. If Ronald Reagan had been aborted in 1911, we would have to be suffering George W. Bush today.

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 08:38 AM

Kat - You're right, but historians rarely seem to remember vice presidents.

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From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Jul 07 - 04:48 AM

Thanks, fellahs. I figured the two names I used are the most relevant for the times.:-)

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 01:57 PM

"...the poster isn't big enough to hold all of the names."


          Actually it only needs to hold two names, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

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From: Jim Lad
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 12:28 PM

Ah Kat: That's all I've been trying to say but the poster isn't big enough to hold all of the names.
Thank You!
Jim

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jul 07 - 08:14 AM

"The more this is brought out, the less power, Bush will have--he's already the lamest of ducks."

             This is probably demonstrated in the extreme by Tom Tancredo, a member of the president's own party, who is now making the case the if it was a good move to commute Libby's sentence, the president ought to pardon the two border patrol agents who were convicted of shooting an illegal alien earlier in the year.

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From: Azizi
Date: 08 Jul 07 - 08:19 PM

Here's some excerpts from this powerful Denver Post article:

Bush justice is a national disgrace
By John S. Koppel
07/05/2007

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_6308408

"As a longtime attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice, I can honestly say that I have never been as ashamed of the department and government that I serve as I am at this time.

The public record now plainly demonstrates that both the DOJ and the government as a whole have been thoroughly politicized in a manner that is inappropriate, unethical and indeed unlawful. The unconscionable commutation of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's sentence, the misuse of warrantless investigative powers under the Patriot Act and the deplorable treatment of U.S. attorneys all point to an unmistakable pattern of abuse...

As usual, the administration has attempted to minimize the significance of its malfeasance and misfeasance, reciting its now-customary "mistakes were made" mantra, accepting purely abstract responsibility without consequences for its actions, and making hollow vows to do better. However, the DOJ Inspector General's Patriot Act report (which would not even have existed if the administration had not been forced to grudgingly accept a very modest legislative reporting requirement, instead of being allowed to operate in its preferred secrecy), the White House-DOJ e-mails, and now the Libby commutation merely highlight yet again the lawlessness, incompetence and dishonesty of the present executive branch leadership....

The sweeping, judicially unchecked powers granted under the Patriot Act should neither have been created in the first place nor permanently renewed thereafter, and the Act - which also contributed to the ongoing contretemps regarding the replacement of U.S. attorneys, by changing the appointment process to invite political abuse - should be substantially modified, if not scrapped outright. And real, rather than symbolic, responsibility should be assigned for the manifold abuses. The public trust has been flagrantly violated, and meaningful accountability is long overdue. Officials who have brought into disrepute both the Department of Justice and the administration of justice as a whole should finally have to answer for it - and the misdeeds at issue involve not merely garden-variety misconduct, but multiple "high crimes and misdemeanors," including war crimes and crimes against humanity.

I realize that this constitutionally protected statement subjects me to a substantial risk of unlawful reprisal from extremely ruthless people who have repeatedly taken such action in the past. But I am confident that I am speaking on behalf of countless thousands of honorable public servants, at Justice and elsewhere, who take their responsibilities seriously and share these views. And some things must be said, whatever the risk".

-snip-

Editorial comment from the Denver Post:

The views presented in this essay are not representative of the Department of Justice or its employees but are instead the personal views of its author.

John S. Koppel has been a civil appellate attorney with the Department of Justice since 1981.

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From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 07:04 AM

Oops, sorry about that. Try THIS ONE!

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From: Jim Lad
Date: 07 Jul 07 - 01:57 AM

Not one of your most memorable Kat. I got "Your session has expired. Please sign in".

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From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 11:48 PM

HERE'S my last comment.

*link fixed*

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From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 10:28 PM

Scooter is small potatoes. It's clear we can't get to Cheney through him--unfortunately.

And he may even win his appeal--especially if his side can establish that it was a question of memory--and that others--on various sides of the issue-- also had memory problems.

So the other investigations should continue--and intensify---especially exactly how the--spectacularly successful--- propaganda campaign that resulted in the US public backing the war was carried out.

The Bush regime--and Blair-- purposely misled the public--especially linking Saddam to 9-11 in the public mind, despite the lack of evidence--and predicting similar incidents, with Saddam supplying WMD--and refused to even consider contrary evidence.

The more this is brought out, the less power, Bush will have--he's already the lamest of ducks.

And we should also make clear that anybody who doesn't realize at least now that the war was a tragic, unforgivable, mistake--and never did deserve support-- will never have our vote.

Stop wasting effort and agony on Scooter. It's not worth it.

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From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 07:29 PM

In a millionn years I never would have expected that Paris Hilton would end up serving more time than Libby.

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From: Jim Lad
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 06:42 PM

Molly: You asked a sensible question and received an equally sensible answer. There really is no reason to join the choir.

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From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 04:38 PM

Run off now laddie!

Barry

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From: harpmolly
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 04:13 PM

'You say "friendly request for peace", I say "self-important counterproductive badgering", let's call the whole thing off!'

Seriously though Jim Lad, I never intended to pick a fight with you, but your behavior *has* been rather trollish. When you rebuff every single attempt to converse rationally with the same answer, and won't give it a rest, what's our incentive to respect or esteem your opinion?

An even more mystifying question is: Why am I bothering to respond to you at all? Sheesh. I'm going to go play in the sun.

Molly

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From: Peace
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 01:38 PM

"for peace will bear no fruit here"

Posted without comment . . . .

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 12:53 PM

"...but I just got this funny image of a human being - any human being doing that."


                   It might not be as funny as it sounds. I'm betting that everyone in the administration has worms. There must be some reason for them to act the way they do.

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From: Jim Lad
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 12:43 PM

Funny?

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From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 12:37 PM

Well, I agree that my remark was over the top - but I just got this funny image of a human being - any human being doing that.

Subject: RE: BS: Scooter...FREE!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 10:14 AM

"Now I'll head off and listen to Lou Dobbs for a while."


                Will his Mexican born wife be on again tonight?"

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From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 10:12 AM

Jim, you're not as smart as you think you are. You've managed to alienate those who basically agree with your political views. You haven't earned enough respect to influence people here. You've actually destroyed what respect I once had for you, and you aren't worth the attention.

Can we let the focus of this be something other than Jimbo's holier-than-thou attitude? I know I'm done with him.

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From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 10:09 AM

More assumptions Jim. No one said we were pacifists even tho I'm sure there are a lot of pacifists here. There's nothing inconsistent with being a pacifist in our posts either. You've stepped over the line and called us on the carpet without any facts to back it up. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

I might suggest that you know something about the topic before you post next time. In this case you don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Scooter...FREE!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 10:01 AM

Nice words, coming from a bunch of pacifists.
This should serve as a caution to anyone that a friendly request for peace will bear no fruit here.
Now I'll head off and listen to Lou Dobbs for a while.
Must be nice having your neighbours to the North & South, afraid of you.

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From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jul 07 - 12:36 AM

Ebbie, I love you, but that was really low and unworthy of you, imo, even with the *g*.

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From: Azizi
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 10:53 PM

mrdux ,

My compliments on your song {that you posted on 05 Jul 07 - 01:59 AM}.

It needs to be recorded and widely promoted!

I particularly like this verse:

But then W. said:
"I sure like that Scooter
And I do hate to see his pain,
So I'll do him a favor,
Since I am the Commuter."
And Scooter walks free once again.

-snip-

That's pure poetry! And it-and other topical songs-can be used to wake up the American Idol masses.

As we used to say "Right on! But now maybe it's more appropriate to say "Left on"!

;o)

[That's an inside USA joke and I don't have a clue which are the comparable informal designations for political parties in other parts of the world].

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From: Peace
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 06:46 PM

Nice to see everyone getting along. Hope y'all are doing well.

The blessing in Canada is that Harper is leader of a minority government. And his government will not be re-elected with the numbers necessary to form the next government.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 06:43 PM

No, Rig. That one is Jim Lad. *G*

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 06:36 PM

Do they call him Scooter because he drags his butt around on the living room rug like a dog with worms?

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From: Barry Finn
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 04:19 PM

"Have you learned anything at all? Violence is not the answer to violence"

DUH!! Thanks for that useless info that I learnd at 18 & have never supported a violent movement since. Including both Bushes, look back on my last 10 yrs here as a poster, I was born fighting & have watched better than crawl their way past more than you could ever run from!

"Barry: Maybe you should just sit this one out though. You're right. You've done enough."

You condescending 'little shit', that's your advice to someone's whose never stopped fighting. This past March I marched on Washington DC, dragging along all the steel nuts, bolts & plates that hold both my legs & feet together.
"Piss off"

Again, don't come knocking on anyone's door unless you've walked in their shoes 1st.

Barry

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From: Jeri
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 03:39 PM

He's a troll. One nasty little piece of work that embodies everything most hated in Americans: busybody, know-it-all little tin god telling everyone else how to behave. Sounds like Bush himself. One would think he'd be more contrite after electing a conservative prime minister Bush wannabe. Go away, Jim.

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From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 03:32 PM

Yeah Jim - It puts you right back where you started. As a troll.

Well done.

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From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 03:19 PM

No takers then?
Puts me right back where I started, I suppose.

Just one final note from me...

George Bush couldn't have done it without you.

Well done!

Regards.
Jim Brannigan

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From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 03:07 PM

...the rest seem content to poke away at me, complain about their government and do absolutely nothing.

So you assume. Gross assumptions bring you no credence, Jim. As another Scot I know would say, "Oh for fuck's sake!"

We've had angry non-Americans come in to castigate us all before. Eventually no one would give them the time of day let alone try to defend themselves against someone who sounded one note over and over and over again.

With the attitude you've taken, I wouldn't even try to explain to you what I have done and continue to do. It wouldn't matter if I did...nothing would meet your "standards."

That is the last I shall say to you about this subject.

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From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 02:53 PM

Yes there is as a matter of fact. Your president chose to display to the world that anyone who chooses to reveal the truth about his covert activities will be punished and his executioners are above the law.
So far, one of you has shown a willingness to do something, one has given far too much in the past and the rest seem content to poke away at me, complain about their government and do absolutely nothing.

Keep in mind that if you continue on your current path, your next president will in all likelihood, be just like Bush.

Aren't there any more of you who would like to actually put a stop to it?

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From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 01:17 PM

Jim, you'd better lay off and give credit where credit is due. You are castigating folks who are already in the trenches and have been for most of their adult lives. We each do according to our abilities and it does no one any good for you to point fingers and come off as a pompous prat with a superiority complex. This is out of character for the Jim Lad I know. Makes me think there is something going on with you personally which may be causing a lot of upset.

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From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 12:49 PM

Yes Ebbie - Jim's going to meet with his old buddie down at the local pub and share a pint. Then they will discuss something that they both agree about anyway. Then Jim will head home and send an e-mail to the PM of a country that he may or may not be a citizen of.....

With standards like that set - how can we fail to surpass them?

It's almost noon here. I feel a work stoppage coming on....

Subject: RE: BS: Scooter...FREE!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 12:39 PM

What will you do today, Ebbie?

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From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 12:25 PM

You say "I will..." Talk is cheap. We are already doing what we can.


I don't know about you, but I read every post of each thread I post to. It is you that is not listening.

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From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 12:17 PM

Now Wesley: What are you going to do to put an end to your country's misbehavior?

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From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 12:15 PM

The war is yours to end.
I'll be petitioning the Canadian Government to end their participation in the clean up of Afghanistan.
I have met Gary Lunn,(sorry about the previous spelling error) before. We both started out as Paramedics in extremely remote, high trauma areas with the BC Ambulance service. I put in fifteen years and he moved on to bigger and better things.
He is now Minister of Natural Resources and has the Prime Ministers ear.
The Prime Minister is on my list of friends in Facebook. I'll write to him there.

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From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 11:55 AM

It seems like you hold yourself to a different standard than you want the rest of us to follow. No personal appearance at Gary Lunds office? It doesn't sound like you've very commited to ending this war.

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From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 11:45 AM

Today, I'll be writing to the Political Forum on CTV. The political parties follow this one very closely. I'll also be writing to my representative "Gary Lund" to inform him of my change of heart. He is a decent man and will listen. Thanks for prompting me though. I needed that.

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From: Wesley S
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 11:13 AM

Jim - are you following your own advise? What have you done to get your adopted county of Canada out of the war? You're excused from from any of the actions needed to get the UK out since you quit and gave up on them years ago.

Please lead us by your example. Are you posting now while you're on your work stoppage?

Every time you point a finger at the US there are three more pointed back at you.

Subject: RE: BS: Scooter...FREE!
From: Jim Lad
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 11:00 AM

Have you learned anything at all? Violence is not the answer to violence.
Here are a couple of things you could be doing. Any one of them would have put Bush & Cheney out on the street, years ago.
Walk down to your constituents office and ask for 5 minutes of his/her time.
Call in advance to make appointments. There should by now, be a half mile line-up (Queue) outside every office in the country on a daily basis.
Compile a list of useful numbers such as politicians and news media and take every opportunity to call them. While you're sitting on a bus, train, out for a walk or whenever else it suits you. Always leave a message.
Those who are organized, Buy some TV and Radio Advertising. Inform the general public that each and every day, at 11 o'clock am & pm, there will be a one hour work stoppage. Then do it. There are enough of you and it would take less than a month to be effective.
Or you can just sit back and say "Hey, I didn't vote for the guy" while every man woman and child in every oil rich nation waits to receive a dose of your country's brand of freedom & justice.

Barry: Maybe you should just sit this one out though. You're right. You've done enough.

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From: GUEST,Barry
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 10:04 AM

"I was young. If I had chosen one of the other options, I doubt that I'd be a free man today. Is that all you got from what I wrote?
Come on Barry."

Fuck you Jim,

I was 18 when I went to prison because of my belifs & stand in the 60's & 70's against the Viet Nam war & civil rights, served 12 months for backing the Black Panthers, the SDS & what I believed in & still do. I will never back another violent move again & that includes War & protest. I do all that I can which is sadly less than some but happily more than many, I am of limited resources & have a family to care for. I DID MY TIME & PAID MY DUES! And I still fight! You little SOB, when you've done more come knocking at my door!

Barry

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From: JohnInKansas
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 06:34 AM

Foolestroupe -

You know nobody here ever reads anything but the last page in these long threads.

Now you've turned the $@#!% page and they're all gonna have to start over from scratch.

John

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From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 06:25 AM

Is 100 posts enough for this ?