BS: American Pie

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Ed T
Date: 15 May 14 - 07:13 PM

The Samosa 

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 May 14 - 03:42 AM

Did he have scintillating conversation?

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 May 14 - 07:16 PM

Had a quesadilla for lunch today.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Janie
Date: 14 May 14 - 05:30 PM

Yeh, I hesitated to include the Samosas. They actually originated in the Mid-East, and spread to the Near East, parts of Africa and India, also to Portugal and former Portuguese colonies. Thy have long been common fare in Brazil, according to the Brazilian lady who makes and sells them at our local farmer's market.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Musket
Date: 14 May 14 - 05:11 PM

Large plates of cold sick are good. Especially with a thin spicy omelette laid over it to disguise the sick.

Any road up, it is served hot...

In many ways, it looks fairly similar to Cantonese fried rice dishes of similar ingredients but of course with fragrant lemon grass, fish sauce and the slightly aniseed quality of Thai basil.

Be buggered if I'll make a pie from it though.

On that subject, I harvested my first crop of rhubarb at the weekend.

Rhubarb crumble makes you rumble
Rhubarb tart makes you fart.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 14 May 14 - 03:53 PM

oh dear, left off spanakopita... Greek spinach pie with delicate phillo dough.

gotta stop thinking about food!!!

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 14 May 14 - 03:47 PM

"American pies, which includes Central and South America and Native American with their cross cultural traditions of empanadas, SAMOSAS, chimichangas, baked or fried, made with corn or wheat flour"

Not to put too fine a point on it, but samosas are neither Central or South American. They are from India and such parts. You perhaps were thinking of Anastasio Somoza, who was a Central American dictator.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 14 May 14 - 02:41 PM

Musket, if one Googles 'Kao Pat' (sic), one can immediately see a selection of photos showing what look like large plates of cold sick.
I have to add that I adore nearly all kinds of foreign food. I had a lovely Hong Kong friend called Betty Ko at Uni, and she introduced me to several absolutely delicious Cantonese dishes. I've also eaten some extremely dubious stuff in W Africa. (No pies though - as I said earlier, they don't seem to know pies.) My husband has several times been reduced to eating rat, cooked in its skin on some tiny pieces of charcoal. Poor man, he must have an iron constitution! His fav food nowadays is my home-made steak and kidney pie. Better than rat anyway!

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 14 May 14 - 02:41 PM

food for thought... ouch... lol

completely forgot about quiche... a frittata with a crust

variations of chicken & dumplings, including adding bisquit mix into the bubbling stew for the final minutes.. chicken & bisquits without the oven. note- no, not cookie mix... google it..

bread dumplings, potato dumplings, liverklasse...

ravioli... perogie and its many central european cousins

obviously, I did not have enough to eat for lunch... lol

fruit dumplings... swimming in butter & cinnamon sugar

what's that line from little shop of horrors? feed me, I'm hungry

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 May 14 - 02:10 PM

Food with crusts are so varied that some sort of classification is needed.
Some "terms" I use- and not rigidly-
Pie- circular or rectangular, baked with bottom and/or top crust. Meat, fruit, vegetable or whatever. (French tarts are a delicious variety.

Pastry, stuffed and fried. Empañadas and similar
Pastry, filled, meat or mixed
Burritos
Cannelloni
Tamales
Stuffed pancakes- fruit, meat, whatever
Wellington-type , puff pastry, etc. Baked usually.

Dumplings- stuffed pastry cooked in broth, stews, whatever.

Others I can't think of at the moment. Won't refuse any of them.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: gnu
Date: 14 May 14 - 01:06 PM

This is among the most delightful threads I have read at Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 14 - 11:36 AM

"Realizing how narrow my definition of pies is, defined by a very narrow view and sensibility regarding crust. Especially with regard to American pies, which includes Central and South America and Native American with their cross cultural traditions of empanadas, samosas, chimichangas, baked or fried, made with corn or wheat flour, or grated yucca vs potato "crusts."

Most of what you cited are forms of dumplings... a world wide way of preparing food using local ingredients.

Pie & tarts.... breads... pastries... pastas(shaped or filled) and then dumplings which can include filled dough or any number of varietions. boy... am I hankering for some nice dim sum right now... :)

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Musket
Date: 14 May 14 - 11:00 AM

Might be a trade name issue. Certainly called pea floaters at the place I had them..

We have them here of course, and a pie & pea supper is a usual draw to a charity evening. But floater, pie or pea by name seems to be an Oz term of reference.

Eliza. I assume they got their spelling wrong. Kao Pad is a fried rice dish. It can also be spelt Khao, meaning fried. Pad is rice. A few months ago, in Bangkok I had it with a thin omelette laid over the top as a breakfast most mornings. Yum.

Cow pats have an altogether different taste...... My dog could tell you all about them.

And horse eggs...

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: JennieG
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:51 PM

Musket, I trust you enjoyed your pie floater - I always thought they were 'pie' floaters rather than 'pea' floaters. They seem to have originated in South Australia, those crow eaters are a hardy bunch.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 May 14 - 04:50 PM

A friend and I were once convulsed in giggles outside a Thai restaurant in Norwich, reading the menu at the door. They were offering Kao Pat. Honestly, this is a real Thai dish. ('Cow pat' is what we call cow's poo out in the fields.) I don't know what Kao Pat consists of but I jolly well hope it isn't that!

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Jeri
Date: 13 May 14 - 04:31 PM

Art Thieme's story about Moose Turd Pie was probably Utah Phillips' story about Moose Turd Pie.

Why isn't cheesecake considered a pie?

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 13 May 14 - 04:10 PM

"Well- it does have the shape of a Western American/Canadian cowpie, which is the pancake-like fecal dropping of a cow.

Actually, a rather interesting recipe, open to variations."

My favorite variation came from Art Thieme's story about moose turd pie... but good, though!   :D

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 May 14 - 01:44 PM

The above is close to our skillet corn bread, but we use white corn meal.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 13 May 14 - 10:26 AM

By special request, just for Ed T (Any anyone else who's interested)

On Sunday mornings I make a fairly elaborate breakfast for my family. This morning, it included my all-time favorite cornbread recipe, as follows:

Nebraska Spider* Corn Bread

1-1/4 cups corn meal (preferably the rough ground, non defatted kind)
1 Tbs light brown sugar
1 tsp soda (note, not baking powder, but soda)
1 tsp salt
3 Tbsp melted butter for the batter
2 eggs, beaten
2 cups buttermilk
3 Tbsp fat for the spider*

Mix the dry ingredients and add the liquids which have been mixed together. Melt the spider-fat in a 10-inch spider (iron skillet), tip pan so sides are greased, and add the batter. Bake 20 minutes at 375 degrees. Cut in wedges and serve hot with butter (as if you need yet MORE butter!). I always serve this with honey or sorghum syrup. This is soft, really too soft to pick up and eat, I think, so you'll need forks.

*"spider" in this case is not an arachnid, but an iron skillet. In times gone past, it would have three legs cast as part of it, so that it could sit the in coals of a fire and bake. Thus the descriptive term "spider".

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Janie
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:50 AM

Realizing how narrow my definition of pies is, defined by a very narrow view and sensibility regarding crust. Especially with regard to American pies, which includes Central and South America and Native American with their cross cultural traditions of empanadas, samosas, chimichangas, baked or fried, made with corn or wheat flour, or grated yucca vs potato "crusts."

Central and South American pastry doughs are much more likely to include eggs and are influenced by long cross-cultural pollination from Spain, the Middle East and Asia. Likely to be crisp, whether baked or fried.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:45 AM

'Rat's Coffin' Musket. LOL!

I like pies with plenty of gelatine among the meat. And 'raised pies' such as pork pies are very very nice. There are two traditional family butchers shops in Aylsham, Norfolk UK. They make their own pork pies, and you buy a 'family sized' one, but eat the lot yourself at one sitting. They're even better than Melton Mowbray pork pies, and that's saying something.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:27 AM

I have seen the brand when in Oz Jennie.

There again, I have had a pea floater in Melbourne, yet ask for a pea floater over here.....

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Janie
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:16 AM

Another interesting article on the history (evolution) of pies

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: JennieG
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:08 AM

Here in Oz there is a brand of commercially available meat pies - "Four'N Twenty".

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Musket
Date: 12 May 14 - 06:03 PM

Anyone want to read a depraved version of "Sing a Song of Sixpence?"

On a related matter, although blackbird pie may or may not be edible, meat pie is sometimes known as "four & twenty pie."

The Balti Pie I referred to earlier is often referred to, when we are at the match, "Go and get us a rat's coffin our lad."

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 May 14 - 03:39 PM

Well- it does have the shape of a Western American/Canadian cowpie, which is the pancake-like fecal dropping of a cow.


Actually, a rather interesting recipe, open to variations.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Ed T
Date: 12 May 14 - 10:15 AM

A couple of meat type pie variations that seem interesting:

Shepherds Pie with cheesy parsnip mash

desperate dan's cow pie 

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 14 - 01:47 PM

Reminds me of the recipe for horse and rabbit pie. One horse, one rabbit. Enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 May 14 - 07:31 PM

In the oven tonight, a wonderful elk and yam pie, made with some port wine and other goodies, from an elk ranch in the foothills.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: pdq
Date: 10 May 14 - 04:05 PM

old Nursery Rhyme...



Sing a song of sixpence,
A pocket full of rye;
Four and twenty blackbirds,
Baked in a pie.

When the pie was opened,
The birds began to sing;
Wasn't that a dainty dish
To set before the King?

The King was in his counting-house
Counting out his money;
The Queen was in the parlor
Eating bread and honey;

The maid was in the garden
Hanging out the clothes.
There came a little dicky bird,
And popped upon her nose!

Source: Elliott, Nursery Rhymes and Nursery Songs (1870)

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 10 May 14 - 03:09 PM

This scene from 'The Help' - written from the perspective of black maids in the South of the US during the 60's civil rights movement - is worth a watch.
Minny's "special" chocolate pie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO0vpOi_5V0

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Janie
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:55 PM

Strawberries, luscious strawberries, are now in season here, with lots of places to go "U Pick." I'm not fond of strawberry pies held together with their sugary gelatinous sauce, but love their kin, strawberries and shortcake.

I use a sweet short biscuit recipe (USA definition) A recipe from an older addition of the Joy of Cooking, texturally about half-way between a scone and and a biscuit. I make my own whipped cream, not very sweet and sweetener is honey, and local strawberries, also tossed with a little honey. Bake and slice the biscuits. Top bottom half generously with strawberries. Put the lid on, drizzle with juice from the strawberries, add another spoonful of strawberries, a dollop of whipped cream, a few more strawberries and another drizzle of juice from the berries.

Although not so sweet, not healthy - with all the butter and cream. The taste of local, ripe strawberries really shines. Lovely moment of decadence to dig into.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: pdq
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:52 PM

If you hold a magpie up-side-down in the palm of your hand and stroke its stomach, it becomes very placid and acts like it is asleep.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:37 PM

Perhaps I should have posted this in the thread Mudcat "language"
A magpie or several are holding forth there.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:34 PM

From The Juvenile Instructor and Companion:

Dean Swift once called on a lady, who overdid her welcome.
"What will you have to eat? Will you take apple pie, sir? or gooseberry pie, sir? or currant pie, sir? Or cherry pie, sir? or plunmpie, sir? Or will you take pigeon pie, sir?
At last the man was wearied, and he cried out sharply, "any pie, madam, but magpie."

Worth noting by those who continue to belabor a point over and over until the impact is mush.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Musket
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:28 PM

You gotta get taste from somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 May 14 - 01:28 PM

'juvenile' is infinitely better than 'senile' like me!

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 May 14 - 12:02 PM

Juvenile pie- start with one Musket.....

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 10 May 14 - 03:21 AM

Juvenile pie.

I'm sure Q has the recipe.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Janie
Date: 09 May 14 - 10:12 PM

I pronounce it peCAHN (or peKHAN) rather referring to the tree of the pie. From West Virginia. Where I have lived in the south, near the northern most area of it's natural range, on the Piedmont of NC, there is a tremendous variation in the ways people pronounce it, including variations that denote referring to the tree or referring to the pie or another dish that includes pecan nuts in it's title.

PEE CAN, PEE CAHN, peCANN. PEE cahn.

Great, beautiful, (messy) shade trees, regardless of how one pronounces them, and regardless of particular cultivar or species. I miss many things about living 10 miles east from where I live now, but most of all, I miss the large pecan tree that shaded the house from the hot afternoon suns of summer and early fall, and provided such bounty of nuts and good work sitting out at the picnic table under the hemlock on cool November Saturdays, shelling pecans to freeze, give as gifts, raw or roasted, or sell at the farmers market.

But favorite pie is still probably Apple. Love the simplicity. Make the crust, peel and slice the apples directly into the bottom shell. Add spices and a little butter, a little flour or cornstarch, no measuring needed, just eye-ball it and factor in how tart the apples tasted raw...

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 May 14 - 12:55 AM

My mum made walnut pie more frequently than pecan pie - made the same way. We actually preferred it; walnuts are far more common in the western US than pecans.

Incidentally, raise your hand- how many here pronounce 'pecan'
"peek un"? I had never heard it pronounced that way until we moved to Virginia. On the west coast it is normally pronounced "pekahn".

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: LadyJean
Date: 08 May 14 - 11:14 PM

If you can track down a recipe, chess pie is very good. It's a sort of vanilla cream pie, that you find mostly in the south. Though there's a recipe book out there, Hossier Mama's Book of Pies, with a chess pie recipe.

Grasshopper Pie sounds revolting, but it's made with chocolate and creme de menthe.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,#
Date: 08 May 14 - 11:04 PM

Rhubarb

It's one of those things you like or don't. If you do, try fresh raw rhubarb dunked in some white sugar.

Stewed rhubarb that is still tart (don't sweeten it too much) is a great topping for vanilla ice cream.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Janie
Date: 08 May 14 - 08:21 PM

Eyup.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 May 14 - 07:30 PM

The juveniles are taking over-

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,McMusket
Date: 08 May 14 - 06:44 PM

*#%!!! Auto spell.

Prostate. Prostate.

Each one of those tried to correct to prostrate. Methinks Apple is in denial.

In any case, no probs. still four pints minimum before excusing myself and if I was skint, I could get a job in mucky films.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 May 14 - 05:07 PM

'Scary' Musket. My face has struck terror into many an erring breast.

(Were you 'prostrate', by the way, when undergoing your medical examination by the doc?)

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,McMusket
Date: 08 May 14 - 09:15 AM

Not if it includes a single digit I shan't. The prostrate was checked only last year thank you very much.

Was that scary face or scared face?

It's alright for Michael, he has empathy with Noel Coward but I have had a sheltered life.

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 May 14 - 08:58 AM

Right, so who's first eh? (Sleeves rolled up and VERY scary face)

Subject: RE: BS: American Pie
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 May 14 - 06:09 AM

Of course. Here are a few more, to illustrate Eliza' promise ---

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