BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 21 Dec 06 - 06:42 PM

Well amid all the bitching into which this thread degenerated Bobad, at least, noticed that a second man had been arrested. That guy (Stephen Wright, aged 48) has been charged with all five murders, and the first man arrested (Tom Stephens) has been released on police bail.

BBC report

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 11:11 AM

Tom, I hadn't seen your PM until a couple of minutes ago. I've reponded positively. Thanks for the message, and for your recent posts, I appreciate your concern. And of course I accept your apology, thank you very much for that.
Good wishes (genuinely!)
John

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 10:39 AM

Strolling Johnny,

this is my last message, I'M SORRY I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IT MUST BE TERRIBLE HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT. I REALISE WHAT I HAD SAID AND I'M TRUELY SORRY FOR THAT, I WASN'T THINKING. AND I HOPE YOU ACCEPT THIS.

TOM

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 10:31 AM

OK.

oh by the way my brother in Australia is an alcholic and I'm glad to say that he's doing something with his life now. He's seeing the AA and going for a meeting,

Love
Tom

So I can understand what SJ is going through as well, it is a nightmare, but at the end of the day the only one who can help is thenselves.

And I truely feel sorry for them and those other post where written by me I was just wasn't thinking that's all.

Merry Christmas and a happy new year. So I AM SAYING THAT I'M SORRY WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ME TO DO.

STROLLIN' JOHNNY I'M SORRY

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 10:28 AM

Strollin' Johnny, I did say that I was sorry, but you haven't accepted it. And I am not the Guest either.

So I might have shit for brains but I can admit that i was wrong can you?
Tom (not guest).
I rest my case.

But then wny bother saying sorry to you because you didn't accpet my apology, so you didn't read my post did you my last one.

So why bother when you don't accept it.

Merry Christmas

And don't even reply to this or send me a PM either.

Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 09:33 AM

"Testicularly-Challenged Guest and Tom Hamilton, you are a pair of Shit-For-Brains"

Just struck me that you may well NOT be a pair - you're quite possibly one and the same. In which event, "My case rests M'Lud".

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: kendall
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 09:08 AM

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...not you, Mother"
Seriously, Judge not, lest YE be judged.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 20 Dec 06 - 08:50 AM

Testicularly-Challenged Guest and Tom Hamilton, you are a pair of Shit-For-Brains. You clearly have no concept whatsoever of what the parents of addicts, or even the addicts themselve, have to face every waking hour of their lives. You are totally beneath contempt.

You've had your fun children, now go and find a busy road to play on.

Jacquie and others - thanks for your supportive comments, my son's history has been discussed in some depth on several other threads. He's working and staying clean, thanks to a lot of hard work and support by his mother, his brother and I. He was hooked into the drug scene by much older men when he was a young and impressionable lad of fourteen. He's been twelve years trying to shake the effects of those bastards off. He seems to be winning, but it's a race that's never over.

S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 10:17 PM

I just hope they have the right man/men

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 10:15 PM

OK.

oh by the way my brother in Australia is an alcholic and I'm glad to say that he's doing something with his life now. He's seeing the AA and going for a meeting,

Love
Tom

So I can understand what SJ is going through as well, it is a nightmare, but at the end of the day the only one who can help is thenselves.

And I truely feel sorry for them and those other post where written by me I was just wasn't thinking that's all.

Merry Christmas and a happy new year

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: bobad
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 04:07 PM

British Police Arrest 2nd Suspect in Serial Killings

By ALAN COWELL
Published: December 19, 2006

LONDON, Dec. 19 — Moving in before daybreak, the British police raided a modest row house near the red-light district in the eastern town of Ipswich today to arrest a second suspect in the serial murder of five prostitutes — a case that has seized the nation's headlines.

The arrest came one day after police secured their first arrest, detaining Tom Stephens, 37, a former part-time police officer and supermarket worker, who was seized in the village of Trimley St. Martin in nearby Felixstowe, outside of Ipswich along the North Sea coast.

The murders, which British newspapers attributed to a killer they nicknamed the Suffolk Strangler, rank among the most lurid crimes against prostitutes since the so-called Yorkshire Ripper killed 13 women in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

The man arrested today was identified by the police as Steve Wright, 48 years old. Neighbors said he was a recent arrival on London Road in Ipswich and had come from another part of the town. He had a female companion, according to British news reports, but there was no sign that she had been arrested.

A police spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity under police rules, described the man's arrest as "significant."

According to neighbors, police officers arrived at a house at 79 London Road at 5 a.m. local time and arrested a man described by neighbors as composed as he was led away. Then, the police removed the man's car and built screens and scaffolding around the house to secure it for a detailed forensic examination.

The police have not so far brought charges against either man for the murders of the five prostitutes, whose naked bodies were found near villages south of Ipswich over a 10-day period earlier this month.

The women have been identified by police as Tania Nichol, 19; Gemma Adams, 25; Annette Nicholls, 29; Anneli Alderton, 24; and Paula Clennell, 24. Ms Adams and Ms Nichol were found several days apart in a stream. The other three were found in wooded country, according to the police.

Police officials have said Ms. Alderton was strangled and Ms. Clennell died after "compression" on her neck. But the cause of death of the other three women has not been made public.

The case has cast a baleful light on a seamy side of a small provincial town, 60 miles from London, putting pressure on the small local police to handle a crime of national proportions. It has also drawn attention to the clientele.

On Sunday, Mr. Stephens, the first of the two suspects, told a British newspaper that he had known all the dead women and was a regular client among the town's prostitutes.

Another man, Ray Hollingsworth, told the Press Association news agency today that he was a writer who had visited the red-light district in Ipswich either for sex or for research for books. "I do think police have had eye-to-eye contact with the killer," he said. "I just feel it. I think the killer is known to them, it's a feeling I have."

From the NY Times

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST,01:39PM
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 03:41 PM

Tom Hamilton

Thank you for responding. It's every parents' nightmare to find themselves in the situation that Strollin'Johnny has. The pressures are enormous on the whole family as you watch a loved one destroy themselves and find that you are helpless to do anything about it except hang on by the skin of your teeth and be as supportive as your resilience will allow. It's nigh on impossible to help someone who doesn't want to be helped. For the same reason I wouldn't condemn the choices of those poor girls.

This and the post I made at 01:39PM are the only two that I have made on this thread by the way.
Thanks for taking the time to read.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 03:00 PM

You're right, Peter, about what the police says. I had read what I had posted in a German online magazine, but have found no corroboration of that in any British online source.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:58 PM

did you know it takes a year to get addictied to these sort of drugs.

However I'm sorry

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:52 PM

Though the fact is neither here nor there in relation to the subject under discussion, many 'working girls' do not trouble to claim benefit, it seems.

I have worked with the Homeless, many of whom 'worked the streets' so I know this to be true.

As to why they dont, I really dont know.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:51 PM

A heroin addict who has never claimed benefit? Either he copes well enough to work or is too idle to get out of bed and sign on. Lets hope its the former otherwise his dad would have a 'scrounger' as a son. Ooooh the shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: jacqui.c
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:50 PM

Tom - most addicts become addicts because some piece of slime pushed drugs on them in the first place. No suppliers, a lot less addicts and, quite often these days, the blame cannot be laid at the door of the parents, or anyone else but the dealers.

Unfortunately drugs seem to have become the new cigarettes - it is seen as being 'cool' to try them and peer pressure can be a mighty hard thing to resist for a lot of youngsters. The dirt out there that pushes this stuff is almost solely to blame for the present situation.

SJ - so sorry to hear that you son is a victim of this trade. As a parent and grandparent I shudder to think of the dangers that beset these children now.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:49 PM

i'm sorry

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:47 PM

as i say

why

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:43 PM

I'M SORRY

why

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: alanabit
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:29 PM

I have very rarely agreed with a word Teribus has written. However, the trash from the previous, anonymous creep does not belong on this forum or anywhere else. I would rather have Teribus here than a coward like you.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:20 PM

Has Teribus been questioned ?

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:19 PM

Feel better for, that,Tom H? SJ may bring it on himself, but it doesn't take much imagination to understand why.

Ake: on the button!

I'm inclined to agree with those who questioned Divis's recollection. I was living in Belfast at the time, but visited a friend who was a director at Leeds General Infirmary, and was astonished to discover that not a single nurse left the building unaccompanied. Without exception they paired up, or booked taxis, etc. Moreover, people in towns across most of NE England changed their lifestyles to avoid unnecessary risk.

Partly this was because the victims were not exclusively prostitutes. But I saw no evidence that the victims were valued less, or had brought their deaths on themselves, because they were street girls.

Wolfgag, your impression isn't quite right. The police in the present case have gone out of their way to emphasies that they still need help - for instance in finding the victims' clothes, and in identifying where the murders took place. They have said that the murderer may have had an accomplice and - no doubt in the light of past fiascos - they have remained open-minded to the possibility that the murderer might still be out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 01:39 PM

Tom Hamilton

Your last comments are inexcuseable. You should apologise immediately.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 01:17 PM

Any parent that allows their own child to take drugs and expects the Taxpayer to give them handouts (benefits) mus think that we're all stupid.
because no one forced your child to take the drugs only themselves did.

Happy christmas

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 01:04 PM

Only kidding really

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 01:04 PM

that last post is what is inside SJ's head

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 12:59 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 12:58 PM

why bother eh!

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 12:11 PM

Prick. Now fuck off and annoy someone who cares.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 10:52 AM

No wonder your son turned to drugs.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 10:27 AM

Had a lot of experience of drug addiction have you Guest? Well I have, as the parent of a long-term heroin addict who's never had a penny from the benefits system, so don't try to tell me about what addicts should and shouldn't do.

To answer your question about what I believe or don't beleive, I don't believe anything said by a bollockless, smart-arse anonymous guest is worth a toss. You're a twat, a waste of space and, more importantly, a waste of my time. Go swivel.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 10:00 AM

Personally I'd rather they went to work, any kind of work, than be a burden on the taxpayer. That's all.

Strolling are you deliberately trying to mislead?

I referred to ONE woman who is both a 'working girl AND claiming income support and proud of the fact. She has no need other than greed. She has no addiction to feed. She has no reason to endanger herself other than greed. Like I said a fine example of motherhood.

You keep referring to people who claim benefit as a 'burden'. Do you honestly believe that the girls on the street are NOT claiming benefits? Surely you can not be that naieve.

I can understand how drug addicts need income from benefits AND prostitution. Can you?

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Scrump
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 07:47 AM

The guy they've arrested seems a bit of a loser. It could be as others have said, that he is revelling in the attention being given to him by the media, and that he is innocent of the murders. I hope not, but it still seems possible at this stage (unless there have been any recent developments I'm not aware of).

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 07:26 AM

Feel free Tom, I don't give a shit - I've been insulted by experts, and at least you have the balls to identify yourself, unlike our anonymous, holier-than-thou GUEST.

Villan, thanks for the support but the aforementioned testicularly-challenged GUEST wasn't suggesting that these girls deserved to be murdered, and I'm not suggesting that he/she did say that. I merely objected to his derogatory comments about them which seem to be based on his disapproval of their line of work. Personally I'd rather they went to work, any kind of work, than be a burden on the taxpayer. That's all.

Happy Christmas to all my readers (even GUEST and Tom).
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Emma B
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 06:39 AM

Of course you are right McGrath but I was hoping that, as in the case of "Wearside Jack", the police would not waste time and other lives by putting manpower and effort into persuing the wrong person who is merely attention seeking or has some other wierd motives.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 06:30 AM

"oh please don't let him be another 'Wearside Jack'. "

"Wearside Jack" pretended he was a killer. This bloke has denied that he was. Not really comparable.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 04:09 AM

Another suspect arrested this morning.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:11 PM

This will make a good read when it's eventually sorted out.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 08:41 PM

I was going to write something really rude about Strollin Johnny,

but why bother

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Emma B
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 08:33 PM

oh please don't let him be another "Wearside Jack"
Surely modern forensics should be able to sort this out!

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 08:21 PM

The guy they are questioning was an ex-police volunteer and more recently (up to last weekend) a supermarket trolley collector. He is well known to alot of the girls on the streets. A self made guardian angel if you like. Colleagues and prostitutes alike are saying he couldn't be the man, incapable of it they say.

He is either a fantasist or the right man. They have until friday to charge or release him.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: SINSULL
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:55 PM

TV News here claims that he called into a talk show and spoke about how he was a client of some of the murdered girls. A prostitue he visited yesterday says he insisted on seeing her home for her safety.
Creepy scenario.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Blowzabella
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 06:15 PM

I would just like to say that I was Guest at 7.01am and not any other Guest. I lost my cookie.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:37 PM

NOBODY has said they deserved to be murdered.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Rasener
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:42 PM

I am concerned that this bastard might be leading the police on and may be one of those perverts who likes to get their name in the press and take the police away from the git who did this.

I am with Strollin' on this. Just becuase they are prostitutes, doesn't give anybody the right to murder them.

If it is this bloke great and I hope that he gets whats coming to him, if it isn't then the bastard is still free to carry on.

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:25 PM

Whatevaahhhh..................

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 02:45 PM

or am I a twat as well

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 02:41 PM

Like sex workers

Subject: RE: BS: Looks like another 'Ripper' out there.
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 02:06 PM

I've seen the headlines about an arrest being made, but haven't pulled up the articles.

Appropriate(?) comment would be that an "arrest" was made in a local (Kansas US) case known as the "BTK" killer. One local TV station published the guy's name immediately. The suspect was soon released, and the TV station just lost a $million+ defamation
suit. Unfortunately, the "victim" in this case just died (stress-related?) - apparently before any payment was made ...

John