BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 10:31 PM

Is this addressed in another thread? Please direct me to it. This is an area of interest to me. We have a similar problem in the U.S. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 08:43 PM

god here we go again

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 08:00 PM

correction -- "has USED false flag terrorism..."

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:58 PM

I'm from the states (Irish American), and don't know much about this, but I've heard 2-3 radio interviews with men (Ingram, Gallagher, Fulton? Can't recall the names). And these two former British intelligence agents said they infiltrated and carried out bombings in Northern Ireland. Any of this sound familiar? Can't find the articles or interviews now.

Curiously, right after September 11, 2001, the IRA claimed they were going to lay down arms, etc., and in America that was presented on our news as proof that a "strong" president would get worldwide results. But the men I heard interviewed said the situation was changing in Ireland because British agents were going public.

Bottom line, the men I heard interviewed backed each other up with credible information. And they said the British government has false flag terrorism to continue the "Irish problem" for decades.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:48 PM

Fun you say? Well you're in the right place. Your turn at the mike.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Alison M
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:20 PM

Guest, haven't you got anything else better to do than follow Divis around in this forum? You should have been on the Website FAIR because you missed all the fun going on there, as the loyalists were scolding each other on there today.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:13 PM

Oh no a laydeeee - soggy biscuit it isn't then.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Alison M
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:09 PM

Dave the gnome, you said "I have already written to my MP (The up and coming Blair babe, Hazel Blears) about disarming Loyalist para-militaries." This is a good point. I had also mentioned that loyalists should decommission all of their arms, etc. on another Websites, but someone replied back to me and said it would not be in favour for loyalists to decommission as they would not achieve their adjectives. Sorry Divis to wonder off your subject here for a moment as I think loyalists should decommission to show they want peace too.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 05:15 PM

Paul if you can't play nicely you won't be invited over again. Twister anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:52 PM

*G* youre right Divis...after all its hardly worthy of our reaction at all. certainly in the light of what he's so dismissive of.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:45 PM

Paul, please allow him his pleasure he's good craic.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:40 PM

Guest, don't be bloody juvenile.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:35 PM

Great there's two of them - get the chess out.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Shaneo
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:07 PM

Divis I have the book in front of me,,I bought it from Joe Tiernan the author at my front door .He put his own life at risk while researching the book , I recall he told me at the time that the book was the subject of some court case involving Granada television so I don't know if it ever went on general release.
Joe Tiernan is one brave man.
The bombs were primed just a stones throw from where I used to live.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:57 PM

Shaneo, if you haven't already read the book "Dublin and monaghan bombings" it's worth a read. The dogs on the street know the ones who carried out the bombings. Two of those involved in the bombings lived in my area, both are now dead.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:43 PM

It was Colonel Mustard! Don't know which regiment he was in but all the evidence points to him. After all he is English!

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:39 PM

Barring that - Haven't a Cludo?

or some other Whodunnit?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:30 PM

OK then how about a rubik cube?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Shaneo
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:26 PM

The recent report into the Dublin and monaghan bombings state that the British army was involved ,This was an official Irish government inquiry that labeled the then British government as murderers ,I often wonder why when this kind of report comes out that the people responsible are not brought to justice.
A government that gives the go ahead to a paramilatary organisation to bomb innocent civilians are as guilty as the ones who planted the bombs .
This mass murder was carried out to force the Irish government into the introduction of internment without trial.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:19 PM

Jaysus someone give that man a 10,000 piece puzzle for christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 11:55 AM

Any member of the Provisional IRA who was killed(armed)on active service understood the risks. None of the on going inquiries I spoke of in this thread involved anyone killed on active service.

What we are looking at here are murders of unarmed civilians from both republican and nationalist backgrounds (some from loyalist backgrounds too)by forces paid and legally bound to uphold the law.

If there was a policy of bringing people to "the final court of human justice" why don't they come out and say so ?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 11:06 AM

Well put Dave!

(& I hope my clarification clears up any difficulty I appear to have in seeing someone of your small stature...*G*)

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 11:01 AM

Absolutely agree, Divis. I'm not sure of Paul's post - why is it amazing that anyone can see me? ;-)

I wait for the day when all this hits the fan and the people who were responsible get covered in it. Unfortunately I can't see it happening but if there is anything I can do to help just say the word. I have already written to my MP (The up and coming Blair babe, Hazel Blears) about disarming Loyalist para-militaries. Do you think a note about this will do any good? Or does it need taking to the EU commission on human rights? What is the best plan do you think?

I can unfortunately see a loop hole which I suspect will let them off the hook. The Republican factions always insisted that there was a war and the active soldiers in that war should be treated as such. How many of the 74 murders were of Republican soldiers in that war and therefore a fair target? Don't get me wrong - I am not saying this is an excuse - but will the authorities not insist that if it is a war then soldiers do get killed? By whatever means?

This still leaves of course the ones who were not Republican soldiers anyway - and even one of those is too many. Maybe it would be a good tack to choose one or two cases who were completely outside the remit of the war for a class law suit? Just a thought.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 10:57 AM

Gah... messed up that post!

the 2nd & 3rd 'paragraphs' should read:

How anyone can see postings from Teribus & Keith (or Dave the Gnome, as happened on another thread)in the same way amazes me....clearly it can only be that Teribus' threads are so long & laboured that nobody reads them & thus cant see the difference.

I'm aware of the irony of this post when addressing the issue of thread creep, & apologise....

Sorry...

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 10:08 AM

Well, I'll say it before Keith comes on & rightly takes issue with the accusation of him causing thread drift, just to take some of the inevitable flak off him.

How anyone can see Teribus & Keith (or Dave the Gnome, as happened on another thread) amazes me....clearly it can only be that Teribus' threads are so long & laboured that nobody reads them & thus cant see the difference.

I'm aware of the irony of this when addressing the issue of thread creep, & apologise.

Other than that Divis, & your line about "all the armed groups that the British have sent over to us in the guise of peacekeepers are brougt to account for the crimes they have committed" that, for what my opinion is worth, was a very fair & reasonable post on a most difficult topic.

Again, apologes for taking this thread off-track for a moment.

Subject: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:47 AM

In regard to a point raised on another thread this afternoon I feel it's best answered in a thread all of it's own, as I don't wish to see yet another thread drift as happens all too often when Keith or Teribus arrives.

As many of you are aware I have been involved with a team of International lawyers over the past two years looking into evidence of British security forces collusion in the North of Ireland.


The evidence they found implicates the British security forces in direct collusion in 74 out of 76 murders. Their report is only the latest of many other reports which implicate the British government and its agents in the murder of our people.

Similar conclusions have been found by Barron Cory, Stalker, Stevens and others.

If we were to consider the scale of these atrocities, the refusal of the British government to instigate public inquiries and the lengths that they go to obstruct the course of justice we would have to ask what role they could play and how they could be trusted to deliver in the Irish peace process itself.

And the plans to increase the role of MI5 rather than confine these spooks to history would be their decisive and defining answer.

We might wonder also how a member country of the European Union which boasts so loudly about its democratic traditions can engage to such an extent in the selective murder of people who they claim as their own citizens - and on such a scale - and steadfastly refuse to investigate properly the mounting evidence which links them to the bombing and shooting of citizens in a member state.

If we were to consider all of this and the public statements and admissions of their informants and spies, then we are looking at criminality of iceberg proportions.

And it won't be shifted by the evasions of their chief of police. The arrogance of their secretary of state or the deafening silence of the entire British political constituency.

That these are the type of human rights abuses which this same government uses to justify its illegal war in Iraq.

We now have the PSNI sponsored "Historical Inquiries Team".

This team is not independent but a unit of the PSNI which must itself be investigated as a major player in these atrocities.

And they informed us that they can only track down 1,577 RUC files from 3,268 deaths. There was no RUC or PSNI central registry until recently.

Files were stored in police stations, officers could take them home and some were destroyed.

And as for collusionitself, the rules and guidelines under which the Historical Inquiries Team operates prohibits them from investigating any murders where there is alleged collusion !

Such cases must be dealt with by another team in London called the "White Team".

It goes without saying that none of this amounts to a genuine attempt at creating justice and closure for grieving relatives but rather a cover up of this catalogue of murder and a disgusting contempt for the rights of the families.

There is widespread agreement that neither the political process nor the peace process itself can succeed until the policing issue is resolved.

I had expressed hope that the policing issue could have been resolved by the end of this year, sadly it won't be. The policing issue cannot be resolved until the police themselves and all the armed groups that the British have sent over to us in the guise of peacekeepers are brougt to account for the crimes they have committed, and until adequate legislation is introduced to guarantee their accountability in the future.