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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Pete Jennings Date: 14 Mar 13 - 10:13 AM 22 miles East of Dover, Don? I make that somewhere in the English Channel!! 22 miles SOUTH EAST of Dover is a different story...LOL! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Nigel Parsons Date: 14 Mar 13 - 09:53 AM From: Rapparee - PM Date: 13 Mar 13 - 09:53 PM Could also be Francis Solanus. Or any of these: Francis Blanco Francis Borgia Francis Caracciolo Francis Chieu Van Do Francis Coll Francis Dormore Francis Fasani Francis Ferdinand de Capillas "Francis Solanus"? Does that mean he only has one bum? Or that people thing the sun shines out of it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Rapparee Date: 14 Mar 13 - 09:49 AM Francis Heaulme? Kendall Francois? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 14 Mar 13 - 06:47 AM Francis Rossi? Rockin' all round the Vatican! RtS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Ed T Date: 14 Mar 13 - 06:18 AM There is a panda at a zoo that can't get a hard on? Would that be, unassisted ? Given the age profile, there may also be a few in mudcat. But, that is old news:) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Mr Happy Date: 14 Mar 13 - 06:07 AM Basic qualifications for the job? Current CRB Checkable work history References None of these needed for job of pope, rc priest or nun |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Ed T Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:41 AM I suspect there are different ways to oppose a dangerous dictatorship (and continuing to remain alive and active, that is) - including activities behind the scene. That would differ from supporting and enabling such an administration. I will wait and examine what evidence comes forward as to his related actions at the time, before rushing to judgement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Musket Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:37 AM I take it Mudcat was down in order to ensure our debate didn't unduly influence the Cardinals. I wonder if this one is as infallible as the last one? zzzzzzz Ok, that was yesterday's news. Today, the newspapers are more concerned with a panda at a zoo that can't get a hard on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:27 AM Sorry about that! Couldn't resist! He seems more amiable than most, but I don't think he'll change much of what needs changing. Maybe it's just my experience, but I never found Jesuits partiularly amenable to reasoned argument, nor did they have the slightest tolerance for awkward questions. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:21 AM Twenty two miles East of Dover? Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: fat B****rd Date: 14 Mar 13 - 05:01 AM Bacon? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 14 Mar 13 - 04:22 AM 'My Italian isn't very good, but it did seem that his accent was quite good for an Argentinian.' Given his father was Italian, it shouldn't maybe not be be a complete surprise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Mar 13 - 02:15 AM I watched the 15-minute video of the pope's introduction and first address. It was entirely in Italian, except that he gave the papal blessing in Latin. It was appropriate that he speak in Latin, since he is first the bishop of Rome and secondly the leader of the Catholic Church. My Italian isn't very good, but it did seem that his accent was quite good for an Argentinian. He made the people laugh three times during his presentation, and there was a real sweetness to the tone of the event - not a tone of authority. It would be nice to have a pope whose reign would be characterized by sweetness. That's how it should be, I think. No, you're not going to get a pope who's gung-ho in his support of contraception, homosexuals, and abortion. The best I can hope for is somebody who's tolerant and compassionate, even though he may have ideological differences from what I'd like to see. No doubt, this pope will be very strict in handling the child molestation problem. There is no longer any room for tolerance of any sort of sexual misconduct by priests. There should never have been any tolerance of such conduct. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: MarkS Date: 13 Mar 13 - 10:36 PM Frances Albert Sinatra |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 13 - 10:35 PM If he didn't oppose a stinking military regime that made people "disappear", then he's hardly a man of principle, is he. One might have thought that that was a basic qualification for the job. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 13 Mar 13 - 10:31 PM Bill D--- The link doesn't work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Bill D Date: 13 Mar 13 - 10:21 PM The new pope's history is not so simple. If he had totally opposed the Argentine govt. in the 70s, I suspect he wouldn't be here today.
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Rapparee Date: 13 Mar 13 - 09:53 PM Could also be Francis Solanus. Or any of these: Francis Blanco Francis Borgia Francis Caracciolo Francis Chieu Van Do Francis Coll Francis Dormore Francis Fasani Francis Ferdinand de Capillas Francis Galvez Francis Gil de Frederich Francis Isidore Gagelin Francis Jaccard Francis Jerome Francis Johnson Francis Man Francis Mary Paul Libermann Francis Page Francis Palau y Quer Francis Patrizzi Francis Pontillo Francis Possenti Francis Regis Clet Francis Rogaczewski Francis Seelos Francis Trung Von Tran Francis Webb Francis Xavier Francis Xavier Bianchi Francis Xavier Can Nguyen Francis Xavier Mau Francis Xavier Seelos Francis de Capillas Francis de Geronimo Francis de Hieronymo Francis de Montmorency Laval Francis de Sales Francis di Girolamo Francis of Assisi Francis of Girolamo Francis of Nagasaki Francis of Paola Francis of Saint Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 13 - 09:42 PM Jeez, so those feckless old men chose a bloke for pope who was implicated in supporting a vicious right-wing dictatorship, notorious for years for making dissidents "disappear" and for hiding political prisoners from human rights watchers. How reminiscent of Pius XI and Pius XII who, respectively, did dirty deals with Mussolini, who needed to keep the Church quiet about fascism, and who facilitated the escape of Nazi war criminals to South America (irony? You tell me!). Not to speak of literally watching out of Vatican windows as a thousand Jews were abducted and taken to death camps. And last time they selected a guy who was doomed to be smeared all though his papacy by dint of his membership of Hitler Youth. Clever buggers, these cardinals, eh? Do you think they thought we wouldn't notice? Anyone for one person, one vote? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: bobad Date: 13 Mar 13 - 09:08 PM It seems old Frankie boy has some skeletons in his closet: " The extent of the church's complicity in the dark deeds was excellently set out by Horacio Verbitsky, one of Argentina's most notable journalists, in his book El Silencio (Silence). He recounts how the Argentinian navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship's political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate. The most shaming thing for the church is that in such circumstances Bergoglio's name was allowed to go forward in the ballot to chose the successor of John Paul II. What scandal would not have ensued if the first pope ever to be elected from the continent of America had been revealed as an accessory to murder and false imprisonment" The Guardian |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Steve Shaw Date: 13 Mar 13 - 09:06 PM I am the "some mudcat posters" in question. I said what I said about the wicked Mother Teresa on 11 March at 8.15pm on the Catholic religion response to 'today' thread. The imaginative cardinals have picked an old man yet again. He is extremely suspicious of homosexuality, he opposes gay marriage, he opposes contraception and he opposes abortion. It is very touching to read that his choice of name may signal a new beginning. Talk about clutching at straws. Another grim deal for Catholics the world over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: gnu Date: 13 Mar 13 - 08:09 PM I think it's a wait and see. Fact is, there is hope he chose his name for a reason... we'll see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Bobert Date: 13 Mar 13 - 08:05 PM No wonder those calls from the Vatican quit poppin' up on my caller ID... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: michaelr Date: 13 Mar 13 - 08:03 PM Re: Mother Teresa - I seem to recall a post calling her wicked. Ed T, can you point me to that "information supplied by some Mudcat posters"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Ed T Date: 13 Mar 13 - 07:23 PM From the initial info., he seems like a good choice. Taking one from out of Europe and North America may better enable him to deal with and distance the church from the Child abuse topic, His focus on the poor will go over well in all areas, especially growth areas (Latin America, Africa etc), Having someone outside Europe may help the organization come to grips with inhouse management issues in Rome, Jusuits played a good part in history in Latin America, He may help bring some disinterested Latin Americans back to the church (a big growth sector), He may not tend to "shoot from the hip" on issues like the past pope, I am especially interested in his record with the past Argentian governments - and the influence it had. His experience may be closer to "the Polish pope"? Maybe his first state visit wil be to the Islas Malvinas:) On the downside, he does not seem progressive on gay, womens and contraception issues - but I suspect few candidates would be much different on these issues. But, he is no "Mother Teresa" - but that may not be a bad thing, according to some information supplied by some Mudcat posters. Associated press |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: gnu Date: 13 Mar 13 - 07:22 PM Indeed, the announcement "we has pictum" (forgive my poor Latin spelling) was a shocker after only 5 votes. But... while you say he is conservative in such things, the fact that he has broken tradition and chosen this particular name signals hope for change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 13 Mar 13 - 07:17 PM I'm not a Catholic, and I'm not familiar with the machinations in the choosing of a Pope. However, it seems to me that by choosing a 76-year old Cardinal, who has incessantly battled the abortion, gay rights etc. laws of Argentina, the Catholic Church is not in the mood for liberalization any time soon. I note that on some news broadcasts the new Pontiff is being referred to as Francis I. I thought that such numeration was not normally assigned until there is a namesake successor. PS--can someone delete my post titled Pope Francis which was being composed as these others came up. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: GUEST,mg Date: 13 Mar 13 - 07:07 PM He made a good first impression..seemed nice. Not sure Francis is for Francis of Assisi..could be Francis Xavier as some have pointed out. Seems conservative on most issues but has a simple lifestyle. I do hope he continues that. I am eternally grateful the one from New York did not get it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: Don Firth Date: 13 Mar 13 - 07:01 PM Apparently mudcat's been off-line for a few hours. I haven't been able to get on until just now. Pope Francis, at least in part, seems to be quite promising from what they've said about him on the news today (CNN). Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Pope Francis From: GUEST,Lavengro Date: 13 Mar 13 - 06:58 PM Okay, now the page has updated and I was wrong! Sorry Midchuck. |
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Subject: BS: Pope Francis From: GUEST,Lavengro Date: 13 Mar 13 - 06:56 PM Can't believe it's four hours after he appeared on the balcony and there appear to be no Mudcat comments! Is everyone okay? :) |
