BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 09:48 AM

Bill, if you are still here, you are a seasoned debater, you value truth and sourced facts to back an argument.

How do you feel about the ad-hominem attacks you see here in place of a reasoned response to the issues raised.

I would bet, if it was on any other thread, on any other subject, you would be objecting in the strongest possible terms....:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 09:29 AM

I have already answered your question several times on this and other threads.
The agencies say MSM should be tested at least tri-annually. I agree with them and also suggest unrestricted contact tracing for all positive tests in ALL demographics. How male homosexuals are to be compelled to behave responsibly, is for the health authorities to determine , not me.
But have no doubt Dave, it may need to be instigated at some point.
Without "extermination" being undertaken of course....

What is YOUR answer to the problem, or do you think there IS no problem?

The problem exists, we should all be concerned and everyone should have some sort of input into how male homosexual behaviour can be regulated......the clock is ticking.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 08:41 AM

I am talking about an attempt to get male homosexuals to regulate their behaviour.

How, ake, how? Please explain how you will force them to "regulate their behaviour" and just maybe I will not assume that you want the eradication of male homosexual activity. If you do not tell us what your plans are you must accept that people are going to draw their own conclusions. Once again. fifth or sixth time maybe, simple questions. How will you enforce the compulsory testing? What will you do once you know who is HIV positive? They are really easy to answer. Give it a try.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 06:23 AM

That figure of musket does stand.
About 22 000 estimated to be living with undiagnosed HIV of whom an estimated 7000 are MSM.
I do not understand why he thinks that stat. significant.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 05:54 AM

"Ake will never actually admit that what he wants is the eradication of male homosexual activity" (Dave)

" Before the disgusting bile inducing worm works out how to deal with HIV, he may wish to deal with the vast majority of untreated HIV (67% UK at best published estimate to date) that are nothing to do with gay people.

But no. He wants to exterminate as usual." (Ian)

A fine example of the intimidation MO, two extremely stupid and disingenuous statements.

Extermination?   how stupid can you two get? I am talking about an attempt to get male homosexuals to regulate their behaviour.
HIV is obviously transmitted by extreme promiscuity and risky sexual behaviour.

Even if the 67% estimate cited by Ian is in any way accurate (which I doubt), it converts to a minute percentage of the population at large...nowhere near an epidemic. The estimate of untreated HIV 33% amongst MALE homosexuals (1.5% of the population) is an epidemic.

The final adjusted figures state that 53% of new cases of HIV and even higher rates of other STD's are from amongst MSM

In London, 1 in 11 male homosexuals carry the HIV virus.

If that does not make obvious, even to you agenda driven individuals, that something EFFECTIVE must be done to stem the transmission of STDs in this demographic, nothing will.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 05:11 AM

"Keith says heterosexual transmission is falling but it isn't."

A steady reduction in diagnoses over a decade is strong evidence that it is falling.
Can you provide any single piece of evidence that it is not falling?

No.
You have refused to do so over the last few weeks so the conclusion must be no.
You can not.
YOU WERE WRONG!
Silly muppet.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 05:04 AM

If a clever person did what Keith did just there, such a person would be dangerous. As it is, it doesn't take a Co Messiah to notice his deliberate confusing of diagnosed cases with the perceived undiagnosed trends.

zzzzz

Just say there are no places in heaven for poufs. Far easier and far more transparent.




Just been reading the BBC news website. The newspapers are full of debate over repeating the blind stupidity that led to WW1. Apparently a Cambridge historian has raised it. Ok, a girlie historian but I'm sure Keith will read and err... argue he knows better than historians.

[snigger]

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 04:26 AM

Did I fail to understand this statistic Muppet?

" Over the last decade, the number of
new diagnoses among heterosexuals declined in England, especially in London. In 2012,
numbers were highest in London (1,020; 35%) followed by the PHE regions Midlands and the
East of England (590) and the North (400) and South of England (370).
In Scotland, Wales
and Northern Ireland, the numbers of new diagnoses acquired heterosexually were lower, with
110, 50 and 40, respectively (Figure 5). "

I do fail to understand how it is compatible with "Keith says heterosexual transmission is falling but it isn't."

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 03:26 AM

If it's a test Co Messiah with equal gnome status, you got higher marks than me.

The more I read this thread, the more I realise how much sense The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster makes, although the refinements to pasta recipes in the reformed church have much to offer.

Remember when this thread and the first coming spoke of real events and real situations? When Betty Swollox gave Co Messiah S a hard time, Knott End Parish Council erected Pearly Gates and nobody argued when Hillsborough was declared the home of the faithful?

Ahem. I said nobody argued.......       Thank you.

Mind you, time to sit back and enjoy the fun again. Goofus has weighed in. He gives excellent value for money. All we need to do now is feed him a statistic that Keith A Hole of Hertford can't find in google or can't understand if he does, either will suffice, and our work here is done. I reckon tying the tails of those two cats and hanging them over the washing line would give hours of entertainment.

Oy pete! I've been saying relatively nice things about you! If nothing else, I've distinguished between you and decaffeinated Christians.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 01:54 AM

Pete from Seven Stars: "He (Don) also supposes that because he can conceive of deity in his own image that this must be what that deity is like."

It's not uncommon, Pete,.."In the beginning God created man in his own image...and ever since man has been trying to return the favor!"

...and Don, re-read your last post, and consider for a moment, that your rant is nothing more than a projection outward, of what's going on with you.

Frankly, I'm feeling fine!
As far as 'punctured'...(and referring to the Obamacare thread), you're the one who is punctured and leaking hot air from the 'talking points'....otherwise you'd give me a straight answer....and NOT be making excuses as to why the insurance companies had to be involved at all!...for their profits....instead of healthcare...
But we can take that up on the other thread....

Sorry for the diversion....but he needed an explanation...(so he can spin it)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 01:36 AM

No, Goofus, you have a punctured ego, and it's been taking a real beating lately. As far as you are concerned, anyone who knows anything has an "overly inflated opinion" of themselves.

That's YOUR problem, not MINE. YOU deal with it. Try reading a book now and then.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 12:50 AM

yeah, they were talking about...

From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 05:47 PM

"Don firth supposes that because he can conceive of life out there ,that it must be so. He also supposes that because he can conceive of deity in his own image that this must be what that deity is like."

..and you're talking about Greek mythology...

Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks you have an overly inflated opinion of yourself!!.......(comes across in your edicts of nonsensical 'Pontifications'.....)

GfS

P.S. You're almost famous for it...

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jan 14 - 12:21 AM

Goofball, what you need to do is read the discussion that led up to the comment that you are hooting and squealing about. That way, you might have at least a small chance of avoiding making a complete ass of yourself.

Uh oh! Sorry! Too late!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 11:19 PM

Don Firth: "Pete, I "suppose" nothing."

I think they were talking about something altogether different..

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 07:06 PM

Pete, I "suppose" nothing.

I know that there are many earth-type planets out there and I can conceive of many of them having life, possibly even intelligent life. But I am not saying that simply because I can conceive of the possibility, that it must be true. Scientific evidence has not established it yet.

But considering all that real estate out there, if it is NOT inhabited, that would tend to indicate that God probably does NOT exist. Why create millions or possibly billions of Gardens of Eden all over the universe if they are merely to lie fallow?

Please don't assume that I am saying more than I actually AM saying.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 06:42 PM

confuses operational science with origins science

As has been stated and proven before, Pete, this "distinction" is bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 06:14 PM

you make sense occasionally too

Hey, Messiah M, less of the insults. Is it some sort of test? :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 05:47 PM

Don firth supposes that because he can conceive of life out there ,that it must be so. He also supposes that because he can conceive of deity in his own image that this must be what that deity is like.                  Musket is shooting his mouth off and demanding answers to questions that he probably don't want to know the answer to, and won't get from me either while he remains disrespectful . He also confuses operational science with origins science as though nothing ever got done till Darwin came along!!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 04:35 PM

No Dave. Not just conc. you make sense occasionally too. Before the disgusting bile inducing worm works out how to deal with HIV, he may wish to deal with the vast majority of untreated HIV (67% UK at best published estimate to date) that are nothing to do with gay people.

But no. He wants to exterminate as usual. Goofus is back on thread, and he reckons there is a cure available. Not for HIV but for being gay.

We wanted the thread to float away from reality. Well it seems we have our wish.



Oh. The number of lies? None. The number of times he has highlighted incitement to hate? Countless. The number of times he has patiently tried to explain how many "official figures" are out there ? Countless. Why? Because religious bigots such as Keith A Hole of Hertford and ignorant nasty nobodies such as the worm twist figures to support their nasty agenda.

It isn't nice opening a thread on Mudcat sometimes. There is no place for homophobia. No place for decent people to have to read upsetting statements that stigmatise large numbers of the population and disgust everyone else.

This all seems to come from the worm's puerile interest in the bedroom affairs of others. Not nice, this worm.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 01:54 PM

How many outright lies has he contributed to this thread and others?

This from someone who has not got the courage to tell us what his solution to the 'problem' actually is?

You know, I have just about had it. There is no proof that anyone's god exists but my own but I will never try to foist mine onto anyone else. There is no evidence that compulsory testing of male homosexuals will help to cure the HIV virus. But there is plenty of evidence that ake will never actually admit that what he wants is the eradication of male homosexual activity. This thread has become so full of shit that, sadly, the only one making any sense is conc. And that is saying something.

There are far more important things in this world. Friends have recently departed. New life has recently begun. The cycle continues. Sadly it will always contain the bigots and hatemongers but, thankfully, we will continue to outnumber them.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 01:40 PM

Every now and then all the gods got together on Mount Olympus and would party up a storm. There were all the Olympian gods, like Zeus (chairman of the board at the time), Athena, Poseidon, and the rest of the crew. Odin would often make it down from Valhalla, Manitou would come across the Atlantic, and miscellaneous Far-Eastern gods would often show up. On one occasion, this little Mid-Eastern god came galumphing up from the shores of the Eastern Mediterranean.

After the party had been well under way for some time, the little Mid-Eastern god leaped up and shouted, "I am the one true god and thou shalt have no other gods before me!"

The other gods heard his pronouncement and all died laughing!!

Except for Dionysus and Aphrodite who were both drunk as skunks, busy doing "rumpy-pumpy" under the table, and didn't hear him!

That's why the little Mid-Eastern god is, indeed, the only one true god around these days.

With the exception of Dionysus and Aphrodite. And this, of course, accounts for the general popularity of booze and sex.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 12:44 PM

GfS asked.. " if the whole of the scientific endeavor proves God, would you listen??."

Ya' know... what would impress ME is something like the clouds rolling around and forming a giant set of features "made them in His image", and voice from the sky saying in all languages at once: "Hey! Pay attention! Here's how I expect you all to behave!"... then clear consequences if they didn't.
I know that theology 'explains' why that never happens..(free will and all that- 'It don't count if you are forced')... but lacking unmistakable evidence, it's hard to just nod when human theologians TELL you how THEY see it.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 12:01 PM

Akenaton: "Hi Sanity, liked your post of 1;02 am......Lot of thought provoking stuff in there!"

I know....if there is one thing that throws them off the track...it's having to think!....some of them think that thinking is an exercise of trying to remember what line that someone told them, that they can REPEAT, that 'might work'....Peat, Peat....and Re-Peat! ...Oh Ma!, look how bright I am!..think I should 'win' the argument??....doesn't matter if They're 'correct' or not.....just so long as they can walk away convinced that 'they've won'........ no matter how silly they come off..just ask Don!!!...and posse!!

Take this one: "Militant atheism has become a religion."

They hate the Pope, and/or the hierarchy of religions ....but want to be regarded as a General!!!...gee...if only they could just say it 'right' then they could think they could be the Commander-in-Chief!

Armies are about as much about peace, as religions are about spirituality!

Good seein' you, Ake!

GfS

P.S. You'll have to pardon me....I just had to ramble on!(grins)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 10:59 AM

Hello Akenaton!!....It's ALWAYS good to see you!.....(well...at least so far!)...Wink

Warmest Regards!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 09:00 AM

Hi Sanity, liked your post of 1;02 am......Lot of thought provoking stuff in there!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 08:58 AM

I think that's as near as we are going to get to an apology from Ian, Keith. :0)

How many outright lies has he contributed to this thread and others?
I suppose not many really care about truth, it's about winning at any cost as far as Ian is concerned, but if we all started lying, the discussion section might as well close....to be truthful is most important. We can all make mistakes and apologise for them, I have done so several times , but Ian is in a position in which command of the true facts relating to the issue is imperative, so that would suggest that he lies knowingly, to scupper the debate.

As I have said before, I think that is his objective...lying, abusive behaviour and language, intimidation......he wants to silence all opposition to his stance.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 04:06 AM

If anything proved God, which God?

Hopefully the semi skimmed Christian one. It's his job to forgive me.

A hell of a lot of technology including the internet would go up in a puff of smoke for that matter. Not to mention a huge space appearing in The Natural History Museum. Ditto Science Museum. Your Smithsonian may have to rearrange the exhibits too. It would be rather inconvenient if religious nonsense turned out to be true.

You wouldn't have religion either if you think about it. You need faith in order to control people for your own ends and if people no longer take your word for it, you may as well sell the altar silver. Imagine a world where everybody has the mentality of Keith A Hole of Hertford? The bible is the only thing he doesn't question. And he questions that!

The good professor sends his regards by the way Goofus.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 02:44 AM

Musket: "If pete thinks the whole of scientific endeavour is set up to deny his god, he has delusions of grandeur."

..but then, what if the whole of the scientific endeavor proves God, would you listen??..or is your 'objectivity' selective???

Perception, perception, perception.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 01:28 AM

Musket, your statement that if the figures are given as a range they are preliminary, is false.
YOU MADE IT UP.
The 2012 figures are the final, definitive figures. They will now be working on 2013.

Anyway, they are not given as a range.

"New HIV diagnoses, recent infection and
incidence
In 2012, 6,360 people (4,560 men and 1,800 women) were newly diagnosed with HIV in the
UK, a slight increase on 6,220 diagnoses in 2011. Like the previous year, this is an estimated
new HIV diagnosis rate of 1.0 per 10,000 population
(1.5 per 10,000 men and 0.57 per 10,000
women) (Appendices 2, 3 and 4). While overall trends show a decline in new HIV diagnoses
since 2005 (7,930) (Figure 2), this is largely due to a decrease in the number of diagnoses
reported among heterosexuals born in countries with high HIV prevalence. The number of new
diagnoses among persons born in Africa declined from 42% in 2008 to 29% in 2012.

Overall, 14% (390/2,880) had a recent infection (in the previous six months) at diagnosis in
England, Wales and Northern Ireland (Appendix 5)."

"In 2012, new diagnoses among MSM increased by 10% from 2,960 in 2011 and in London, by
14% from 1,400 in 2011 to 1,600 in 2012 (Figure 4). The proportion of new diagnoses that were
probably recently acquired infections among MSM in England, Wales and Northern Ireland in
2012 was 19% (Appendix 5); in London this was 22%."

"Heterosexual men and women
People who acquired their infection through heterosexual contact were the second largest
group of people newly diagnosed with HIV in 2012. After adjusting for missing risk information,
they accounted for 2,880 (45%) of new HIV diagnoses. Over the last decade, the number of
new diagnoses among heterosexuals declined in England, especially in London. In 2012,
numbers were highest in London (1,020; 35%) followed by the PHE regions Midlands and the
East of England (590) and the North (400) and South of England (370).
In Scotland, Wales
and Northern Ireland, the numbers of new diagnoses acquired heterosexually were lower, with
110, 50 and 40, respectively (Figure 5).

In 2012, a higher number of heterosexual women (1,530) than men (1,050) were newly
diagnosed with HIV. The median age of diagnosis was 39 years overall; 42 years among men
and 37 years among women.

The proportion of new diagnoses that were recently acquired HIV infections was 6% (30/440)
among heterosexual men and 8% (50/640) among women. "

SO, NOT GIVEN AS A RANGE, AND YOUR STATEMENT WAS UNTRUE ANYWAY.

Do you have one single bit of evidence,(not made up!) any evidence you can show us at all, that heterosexual transmission is not falling?

If not, you are proved wrong.
Again.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 01:26 AM

In the stalls
Scratching their balls

Talking of balls. If pete thinks the whole of scientific endeavour is set up to deny his god, he has delusions of grandeur. That translations of ancient stories by superstitious people are made irrelevant in fact is neither here nor there.

Two thousand years from now people will possibly equate Tolkien's Middle Earth with heaven as a medieval to them faith story.

If it's dark out, look at the stars. You are looking at stars as they were, in many cases even with the human eye, thousands of years previous to biblical pronouncements of the age of the rather small compact universe they could comprehend.

How many kangaroos, duck billed platypuses and bison were on your ark pete ? Why did your Jesus have to be associated with conjuring tricks to gain credibility with the locals if he was so good anyway? If your god is omnipotent, why smite and slay ? Why not just make the citizens of Sodom and the other one I can't spell good people?

Sounds more impotent than omnipotent to me. I wouldn't be able to write and post this if he were otherwise.

Some good people have wasted time and energy trying to debate with you. Not me, I took the piss from the beginning. But I think you owe some people an apology. Your fantasy is beyond reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 04 Jan 14 - 01:02 AM

Gosh...

Can a newborn baby, have within it, a life force, that is part of a larger life force..which is older than the body of the baby??

Is life, brand new each time?

If all our intelligence all added up with all intelligence on the planet, does it make us larger or smaller than the sum total?..and is it separate from each other?....and if it is intelligence, would it cut itself off from the input of others??

How old are the properties, of 'brand new'?

If only one person is 'right', is that more or less intelligence??...or perhaps a matter of perception??

...and being as somebody here, claims to know all the secrets of life, what are they?...and how do you know??....for sure???...or are you just someone with too much time on your hands?

...and speaking of which....

If the whole world is a stage...where does the audience sit??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 10:07 PM

pete, the Hubble space telescope has already found several hundred planets orbiting nearby stars. There is no reason to supposed that life could not develop on other planets.

Life has developed here on earth in places you would never expect life could exist. Such as around the "black smokers" along the mid-Atlantic ridge. There is no reason to believe that it could not develop on other terrestrial planets like earth elsewhere in the universe.

It is not Biblical, because those who wrote the Bible were absolutely clueless as to astronomy, but to deny the possibility is to believe in a LIMITED God, not the Infinite, All-Powerful, Omniscient God that could have--and DID--create the Cosmos and all that's in it.

The god you believe in is a puny twerp compared to the Creator of the Universe as it actually IS.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 07:21 PM

don firth- it can hardly be blasphemous to accept what God has revealed. not that you point to anything as being divinely revealed.
you prefer to trust in the unevidenced idea of other worlds and lifeforms out there. I have always said that I cannot prove creation as per bible timeframe but I sure think that the evidence supports a more recent creation than evolutionism posits. those dino bones are doing very well if they are 65 MYO !

bill- good science, as I understand it has to do with repeatable, testable experiments.[ why is that illogical?] evolutionary theory does not fit that, unless you can demonstrate otherwise. in fact , I reckon the evidence is not in its favour because the present so often demonstrates what in Darwinian doublespeak is called "evolutionary stasis"- ie creatures/organisms represented in the fossil record look much the same as the modern examples. I appreciate you mentioning archaeology confirming bible sites. I imagine there is something in these finds that confirms this, at least to a reasonable level of confidence.
how do you propose that compares favourably with Darwinian interpretations of fossils, to say artifacts at an archaeological site?. imagine the latter can be more accurately attested as to date, culture etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 05:31 PM

Yo

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 03:34 PM

Hi Musket.....just thought I'd return the salutation.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Jesus
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 03:00 PM

Yes. I concur. Definitely expressed as a range.

JC

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 02:57 PM

Hey Keith! I just asked a thousand people to look at the paper published that you keep referring to.

Know what? Every one of them, and I even asked Jesus to look, noticed that figures were expressed as a range.

Can I recommend an optician? No ? There are none so blind as those that will not see. (Thomas the poet.)




Oy Goofus! I said Hi ! How's it hanging ?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 01:57 PM

Robots versus living souls....how can you reason with a machine?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 12:49 PM

The PHE figures on new diagnoses are NOT displayed as a range.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 12:01 PM

Who said that about what figures Musket?
What has it to do with the PHE report?
Are you quoting yourself?
Has anyone said that except you?
Google says no.

Do you have one single bit of evidence, any evidence you can show us at all, that heterosexual transmission is not falling?

If not, you are proved wrong.
Again.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Stu
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 11:59 AM

After reading Pete's latest emails (addressed to Bill) I realise the long hours I've put into attempting to reason with him have been wasted. He hasn't even started to question his own beliefs, and to him the simplicity of literalism and the comforting blanket of ignorance it wraps him in is obviously easier than expending any energy actually finding out what he is talking about.

So . . . has this all been a waste of time? In some respects, yes. I thought I could reason with Pete, but he's so blinkered (wait for the reply of "yours is a faith position") he is incapable accepting any view but his own, or those that a certain group of anon webbers tell him he should believe.

From my own point of view though, it has been useful as it helps to order thoughts and form arguments in order to address such inaccurate statements such as Pete's. It's been a useful exercise.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to challenge one really minute, obscure, tiny-weeny area of accepted scientific thought with what I've discovered in my own research.



*Hmmm. I thought the bible was the word of god. Can a document dictated (I presume it was dictated, is that what himself did with the commandments?) by a supernatural being be historical? That opens some possibilities. Crikey. Derek Acorah might be producing actual historical knowledge. Now that's a turn-up!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 08:15 AM

Go on then Keith. How's this?

They indicate the provisional nature of the figures by displaying them as a range, using a figure within that range for headline results. As seen by reading the fucking thing.

Thick twat.






Hi Goofus!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 06:17 AM

The paper contained in the HPA website was using historical data. It acknowledges that their data is provisional and best estimate.

Not true.
That paper was only published in November and uses data up to December 2012.

It is NOT TRUE that it is provisional.
You made that up.

Do you have one single bit of evidence, any evidence you can show us at all, that heterosexual transmission is not falling?

If not, you are proved wrong.
Again.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 05:52 AM

Militant atheism has become a religion???

No, not at all. It is an extension of politics. Political 'leaders' can't have any other entity outside their realm of control, that sees the individual as self-responsible, and not under the accountability and control of the political system. ANYTHING you THINK you know has been fed to you BY that system of control. If you've had your own personal experience with something outside their 'sphere of influence', they and their yapping shills, will argue till their blue in the face trying to convince you that it never happened...and things like that of a higher level of being aren't happening. The fact is, that 'they' aren't happening...and they just bitch louder in chaotic crowds trying to feel,and get others to feel that they are happening.
It just seems like a 'militant religion'....but then, what does religion have anything to to do with God, Love or the spiritual???
NOTHING!....
...Yap on!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 05:33 AM

Science and evolutionism are two different things indeed, the latter defined as the ideological belief that things will always evolve to the better. Evolution theory, in contrast, is a part of science, where predicates like "better" have no place at all. The popular phrase "survival of the fittest" is no longer accepted as science.

If a scientific theory is valid, it will be so (sc. to the same degree) for the past and future, and for other countries etc. Therefore it is perfectly possible to explore the past from present-day data scientifically. Of course the accuracy is not perfect, but well worth the while for many curious people. Not to speak of those who are after the fossil oil etc. - if they all were Bible literalists, cars would have run dry long ago (- not the worst aspect, on second thought).

Pete has told us where he got his "wisdom" from; trying to convince him is completely pointless. There are other readers who are really interested; let us address them and try to make a good impression.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 04:59 AM

Yes, you just said it yourself, thick twat.

There is a worrying trend both sides of the pond in younger people.

I would add that the concerns from other, mainly surgical trends suggest the projections regarding heterosexual transmission through sex show why services are planned through meta analysis of trends and data, not just historical projection. The paper contained in the HPA website was using historical data. It acknowledges that their data is provisional and best estimate.

Please go away and either find another angle for pointing out reasons to vilify sections of society or take a few lessons on public health epidemiology. I had to before being able to use it to aid decision making, and I am tired of trying to dumb it down because you still just don't get it. I feel assured that getting it isn't an item on your agenda so wasting my breath.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 04:43 AM

Musket.
You don't make yourself look clever purposely misinterpreting what people are saying.

How could I misinterpret "Keith says heterosexual transmission is falling but it isn't."

HPE says it has been declining for years.
How is that a misinterpretation?

Bill's US report said "young MSM are the only risk group in which new infections are increasing."
Not much room for misinterpretation there either.

So, you keep telling us how well informed you are, and how you have special knowledge because of your job, but all you show us is special ignorance.

Do you have one single bit of evidence, any evidence you can show us at all, that heterosexual transmission is not falling?

If not, you are proved wrong.
Again.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 03:15 AM

Must be the fuzzy head from last night.

Remind me. Who's side am I on?

Starry pete and his take on life is comparatively refreshing to be honest. Far nicer reading than evil bile and hatred. Don't get me wrong, he's daft as a brush and his ideas, pushed onto the more gullible end of society could lead to mass child abuse, which, forgive me if I am wrong, went out of fashion when RE stopped being bible class.

Far too many brain fazed acolytes around without developing another generation of them. You see seemingly intelligent people on these threads claiming a superstitious dimension to observable evidence. Surely we owe it up our children to protect them from nonsense rather than promote faith schools and other such stains on society ?


pete doesn't misrepresent facts in the way our resident bigots do. He doesn't begin with facts in the first place......

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 14 - 08:56 PM

Now come off it, Bill. I'm not questioning the identity of him wot posted the thing, but really, if you think pete could ever achieve these sentences: Seems to me that you are the one equivocating since you bait and switch operative science with origins science. You can test a flame by burning your finger, but you can't test the past. - in spite of the fact that it's bilge, but that it's far more literate and grammatical bilge than he's ever achieved before - then you're rather more easily taken in than I thought possible. Don't worry about being on the same side. We can be like tigers circling menacingly around each other, but, given a big enough kill, we'd willingly share the spoils...

And that is entirely "pete's" grammar and punctuation there. No man can become so educated so fast from so low a starting point.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Jan 14 - 08:28 PM

pete:   "Your saying that science and creationism are two different things would be likened saying science and evolutionism are two different things."

Science and Creationism ARE two different things. Evolution meets all the criteria of science, including being modifiable in the light of the discovery of new data--WITHOUT calling the rest of science or our knowledge of evolutionary processes into question.

Creationism is composted of supposition and assumptions based on premises that are unproven and unprovable, and may have noting to do with Reality.

Did it ever occur to you that by insisting that "the heavens and the earth and all therein" were created in a mere six days some six-thousand years ago, you may be guilty of blasphemy? You are positing a mere wand-waving wizard instead of an All-Powerful Intelligence that it would take to create a universe that is over 12 billion years old and contains billions of possible worlds and who knows how much Life.

Perhaps you shy away from that powerful an Intelligence and prefer a god a bit less scary--CLICKY.

Did you ever think that the Rules of SCIENCE might have been invented by God, that THAT is the way He did it, and we are just, within recent centuries, putting superstion behind us and actually beginning to discover the Nature of God?

Contrary to some atheists--AND theists--you can be both scientific AND religious?

Just expand you mind a bit! CLICKY

Don Firth