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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: GUEST,Woody Date: 03 Dec 08 - 06:28 PM even New Labour have recently leaned a bit this way with English tests Not that I really want to defend the Labour party, but I think you'll find that the English language test requirement is being introduced for a combination of reasons, some of which are.... 1 - Taking the effort to learn the language indicates a level of desire and commitment for those wishing to live in the country 2 - Having English language skills obviously increases employability 3 - English language skills help the immigrant to access services 4 - Those who can speak English are less vulnerable to exploitation 5 - English language skills enable better integration into the community - NB Integration, not shedding of culture Passing the English language test is not about losing your own culture & pretending to be born/raised in England or adopting fake accents. The language test is supposed to be the equivalent of GCSE English grade A-C, judging by your "life's work" WAV, I doubt very much that you'd be able to pass it. I'd be surprised if any of the main political parties will be including a requirement that minority communities shed their own culture as part of their next election manifesto. That'll probably be reserved for your friends in the BNP. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 03 Dec 08 - 06:04 PM WaV - Just how is the (your) U.N. going to carry out what you are proposing - "the world over"? What do you propose to do about the people who don't actually want to "assimilate" to (your idea of) English culture? Regarding travellers - they are called that because their tradition is to travel. Restrict that, and you are eroding their culture, to which they have at least a moral right, as does any other. To recommend restriction of such movement "via a stronger U.N." is tantamount to a threat of violence as far as I can see. Please explain yourself. As I've said before, nationalism is the mother of intolerance. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: s&r Date: 03 Dec 08 - 05:23 PM So let me understand this: Travellers (people whose culture is to travel) could still travel within a country...Or perhaps a county...or perhaps a reservation, where they could travel round the inside of a perimeter fence My traveller friends will feel much better knowing that. And as a de facto immigrant will you make every effort to assimilate? Regards Stu |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 03 Dec 08 - 04:48 PM "Have any newspaper or magazine critics reviewed your poetry?" (Don)...not that I know of. It's better, Pip, if the the land, the culture, and the law of the land are linked: one of the reasons why I think immigration/emigration should be greatly reduced/regulated via the UN, the world over, from now on; and why I think those who have should make an effort to assimilate. And, remember, after nearly a decade of promoting diversity, even New Labour have recently leaned a bit this way with English tests, etc. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Phil Edwards Date: 03 Dec 08 - 04:21 PM Pip - as I DID suggest above, are you sure travellers can't keep their culture going, from now on, within a nation? That's not an answer. Set aside Travellers for the time being. You've said that immigrants to England should assimilate to English culture. You've also said that society suffers when people lose their culture. How do you resolve this contradiction? |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Don Firth Date: 03 Dec 08 - 03:04 PM Thank you, David. I just wanted you to make that clear. Self-publishing is referred to by most writers as "vanity publishing." Anyone can do it, as long as they can afford to pay a printer. Have any newspaper or magazine critics reviewed your poetry? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Jack Blandiver Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:39 PM and my CD As I've said elsewhere, a CDR-R is not a CD; saying otherwise is dishonest, deceptive and contravenes trades descriptions. Also selling such a thing for £8 is a total rip-off irrespective of the quality of the content. Try £5. Likewise a bundle of home-bound photocopied / computer printed pages is not what comes to mind by the term paperback. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Will Fly Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:08 PM Some facts. Self-publication is not publication in the conventional sense of the word - as any independent publisher will tell you. My DVDs are self-publications - and I'm under no obligation to send a copy to the 6 Legal Deposit Libraries in the UK. These libraries are: # Bodleian Library, Oxford # Cambridge University Library # National Library of Scotland # Library of Trinity College Dublin # National Library of Wales # British Library Libraries do not issue ISBNs. Whether the Legal Deposit libraries you send your stuff to actually retained them or not is another matter. You're only obliged to send 6 copies of your work to the LD Libraries if you actually print off multiple copies to sell. Vanity publishing doesn't count if they're not commercially for sale. Will (in my capacity as a University Librarian) |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 03 Dec 08 - 12:50 PM Will and Don - self-publication is publication...by the way, did you, Will, send a copy of your DVDs to the half-a-dozen or so compulsory libraries - "compulsory", at least, for books? (For what it's worth, both my (ISBN-less) A4 "Walkabouts..." paperback, and my CD "Chants from Walkabouts" were received by them...Brit. Lib., one in Oxford, Cambridge, etc.) And then I noticed Stigweard gave much more detail on this matter which I agree with. But, one other thing, it's true that without an ISBN retailers are unlikely to stock a book, but libraries may - and have done for me - make one up. And, as for "elsewhere" and all the mud just thrown, I'll copy/paste this time, from the same, abovementioned, site... "...And some Walkaboutsverse has also been published in The North East Poetry Journal, The Northern Lines poetry journal, Newcastle's Evening Chronicle newspaper, Gateshead Library's talking newspaper, as well as Kent Folk News, & has been recited on local radio." But as for: "and for which you received a financial advance and for which you are currently receiving periodic royalty checks" (Don)...everything I've done so far on the folk and poetry scene has been as an amateur - just a few mini- free entry/drinks-type gigs/spots. And the transverse flute, Don, is also known as the German flute. Pip - as I DID suggest above, are you sure travellers can't keep their culture going, from now on, within a nation? Thanks for those tips, Paul and Stu - I have an old/slowish computer. Gervase - I prefer to live in the land of my birth, England. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Gervase Date: 03 Dec 08 - 11:51 AM And there was me thinking he was just stupid. Now it seems, he's dishonest as well. *sigh*. What's the Australian equivalent of 'the naughty step'? I think he should go and sit there and not post anything for a while. Three years sounds good. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: GUEST,Woody Date: 03 Dec 08 - 08:20 AM I think the problem is that while WAV's use of the term may be technically accurate, there is no doubt that he uses the term deliberately to deceive. He cites publication of his works in an attempt provide support for his arguments through the implication that others have found it of sufficient worth to spend money. time and effort publishing it. He also cites the supply of same to libraries again to provide a veneer of legitimacy - i.e. his work must be good or why would a library take it? (a question which has been ably answered by Don Firth I think). So it's not really the terms he uses but rather how they are used. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Will Fly Date: 03 Dec 08 - 08:15 AM The issue, I think (wearily), is slightly more complex than that. David is trying to give the impression that his work - as well as being self-published (as you say, a perfectly legitimate and respectable outlet) - has been published: in the sense of being accepted by someone else as a work which the someone else has then published. The act of being published by someone else is a kind of legitimisation, an acceptance of his efforts, by a third party - implying merit, credibility, etc. I quote David's words to Don Firth: via simple links, you will find here a list of some of the places I've been published in, as well as the self-published website itself and info. on the original A4 paperback... Actually, no, you won't find any places where David has been published in the conventional sense of the word. He has certainly self-published, but that, in itself these days, is vanity publishing and is no way any indication of merit. By implying that he has been published independently of himself, David is making a false claim to enhance what he does. I'm sorry that this all becomes so incredibly tedious, but it's this type of obfuscation that does get up the collective nose. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Stu Date: 03 Dec 08 - 07:58 AM pub·lish [puhb-lish] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –verb (used with object) 1. to issue (printed or otherwise reproduced textual or graphic material, computer software, etc.) for sale or distribution to the public. Self-publishing is a totally legitimate method of getting your work out there. WAV's assertion he is published is correct. He (or anyone else for that matter) can publish his work through any number of media and they don't need permission from anyone, they don't need an ISBN and they don't need to meet any particular criteria. Anyone who knows owt about poetry will know self-publishing is a common way of getting work out there, and the internet is an equally valid way of publishing. Individual poets and artists often print and issue their own work as it's cost-effective and they can be far more creative on small runs that can be finished as wished without editorial or financial restraints (a bonus as most self-publishers can't afford much anyway). Did Winstanley have an ISBN when he issued his pamphlets in the face of Cromwell's oppression? Did that make his publications less legitimate? Should Ian Hamilton Finlay have abandoned the Wild Hawthorn Press because he printed all his works himself? Perhaps the resistance should have stopped publishing Défense de la France because it wasn't sanctioned by the Nazi's? There is a vibrant artistic and political community that continues to self-publish in all forms of media and long may it do so. Although not everything published is either good and may well be execrable in any number of ways, it is still an very important creative outlet. Whatever stick you decide to beat WAV with, this one ain't it. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Dave Hanson Date: 03 Dec 08 - 07:25 AM I didn't know that Woody. eric |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: GUEST,Woody Date: 03 Dec 08 - 07:13 AM Sadly Eric even an ISBN number means little these days as you can buy them for your self-published work at a cost of about £45. For an example see here. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Dave Hanson Date: 03 Dec 08 - 06:56 AM If you have been published WAV, tell us an ISBN number of your work eric |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Ptarmigan Date: 03 Dec 08 - 03:28 AM EXCELLENT! :-) Thanks guys. Cheers Dick |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: s&r Date: 03 Dec 08 - 03:22 AM and if you click on the little 'd' to the side of the post number, you get the last post first. Ain't Mudcat wonderful Stu |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Paul Burke Date: 03 Dec 08 - 03:17 AM Ptarmigan, it don't take long to get to the bottom. Just click on the number of posts rather than the thread name, and you just get the last 50. Isn't the Session crude? Was there ever a transprose flute? |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Ptarmigan Date: 03 Dec 08 - 02:02 AM Michael wrote: "This thread has NOTHING to do with "Englands's national musical instrument" . . . could someone PLEASE end this farce?" Sounds like a good idea Michael, especially as it takes so long to get down here now! :-) So, as this is a Folk Music Forum, let's stick to instruments that are used for that music & song. So surely you must say that the ENGLISH CONCERTINA wins the day! ...... Musn't you? After all, this was invented by an Englishman, how many other instruments played in English music can make that claim. Many were adapted from earlier instruments but no others were actually invented there, were they? Cheers Dick |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Phil Edwards Date: 02 Dec 08 - 05:16 PM Sorry, that last was meant to go on a BS thread. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Phil Edwards Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:55 PM Just out of interest, WAV, how do you justify saying that society suffers when people lose their culture while also saying that some people (immigrants and Travellers) should lose their culture? Surely, as Eliza said, either society suffers when people lose their culture or it doesn't. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Don Firth Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:54 PM Googling "English flute" also comes up with a fair amount of stuff about English flautists (repeated hits on a CD entitled "The English Flute" recorded by Celia Redgate) and on English composers who have written pieces for the flute—that is, the transverse flute. Don Firth P. S. Under "English flute," I also came up with THIS. And THIS. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Will Fly Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:38 PM And, of course, a French flute would be a long, thin loaf... |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Jack Blandiver Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:30 PM A Google Image Search for English Flute comes up with this: An English Flute off Satalia A depiction of the port of Satalia on the south-west coast of Turkey in 1677, surrounded by a rocky coastline. The ancient walled city, with minarets rising from it, overlooks the small harbour and gulf, and is enclosed by high mountains in the central distance. An English merchant pink or flute, with the Royal Arms on her stern, is shown standing into Satalia. Figures on the foreshore on the left are loading or unloading a small boat and a two-masted galley can be seen off the harbour entrance. Artist - Jan Peeters Date - 1677 |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: GUEST,Ed Date: 02 Dec 08 - 04:12 PM Surreysinger: you don't mention the romantic/nationalistic views of those times?.. The nationalistic views of those times led to 2 world wars. Lovely.... |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Don Firth Date: 02 Dec 08 - 01:40 PM I am not a barefoot pilgrim when it comes to publication, David. I have been published. One article submitted to Sing Out!, an American folk music magazine published in New York and distributed nationally. I submitted the article, it was accepted, and I subsequently received a check in the mail. I have also had some sixteen one- and two-part articles published in Victory Review, a magazine published locally by Victory Music. Victory Review is sent monthly to members and subscribers, and it is distributed to music stores in the western Washington area. So I think I can legitimately claim that I have been published. Submitted to an editor for approval. Accepted. Printed. Distributed. Paid. I am also working on a book on the folk music "scene" in the Pacific Northwest as I have experienced it. Not finished yet, but I work on it daily and the first draft is over 100,000 words—so far. It is going to need serious editing before it will be ready to submit to a publisher, but I intend to finish the first draft first. It's much easier to go back and edit than it is to get bogged down in editing as one goes along (that way, sometimes the book never gets finished). When it has been submitted to a publisher, accepted by an editor, and subsequently printed and distributed—then—I will say that I have a book published. But not until then. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Don Firth Date: 02 Dec 08 - 12:54 PM So, David, you have posted you "work" on a poetry forum and on MySpace. I see nothing else on you website that tells where you have been PUBLISHEDThis does not mean self-published (paying a printer to print your book) and then distributing them yourself (a good way to wind up with 500 copies in a box under your bed). Nor does it mean giving copies of your work to local libraries. My wife works in a major library and they get writers and poets walking in all the time with copies of their works, wanting them to be entered in the catalog and put on shelves to be checked out. In fact they receive so much of this unsolicited stuff that they have a policy of refusing anything that does not come through regular channels from a book publisher. If the person insists on leaving their book, it is discarded immediately. Nor does published mean "posted on the internet." Therefore, David— Where have you been published? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Will Fly Date: 02 Dec 08 - 12:38 PM I've just checked the link in WAV's last post. David - there is no sign of any publication, as such, in any area other than your own. You've donated self-published copies of your own oeuvres to various libraries - but so what? Any clot can do that. It's not publication in the conventional sense meant by Don - i.e. your work being, assessed, accepted and then published by someone else. I produce DVDs of my stuff, which I sell commercially, but I would not presume to say that I've been "commercially published" - because I haven't. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 02 Dec 08 - 12:26 PM "Published where? What is the name of the publishing company? Who was the editor?" (Don)...you have asked me this before and I have answered - via simple links, you will find here a list of some of the places I've been published in, as well as the self-published website itself and info. on the original A4 paperback (plus what IB just took the liberty of copy/pasting - but at least he didn't post as "Guest Walkaboutsverse" as someone in BS has decided to do, and which I have complained to the Mods about). Surreysinger: you don't mention the romantic/nationalistic views of those times?... |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Surreysinger Date: 02 Dec 08 - 09:23 AM Hmm . interesting - don't think I'd seen that last before, otherwise I might have commented on the sentence "Our forebears were loyal to this when they formed the English Folk Dance and Song Society". Since the EFDSS was an amalgam of the Folk-Song Society and the English Folk Dance Society, he's certainly less than right on that one!! The FSS did NOT restrict itself to consideration of English folk song alone - indeed at least one of it's early committee members was referring to "world music" as being of interest long before the term was used by certain worthies on the roots scene these days. Editions of the Folk Song Journal contained articles on song from all parts of the British Isles, and individuals such as Lucy Broadwood were intensely interested in song from all parts of the globe ... Lucy was intensely interested in Gaelic song, and regarded her collections of phonograph recordings of Gaelic songs as one of the pinnacles of her life's work. So, no, the formation of the EFDSS via it's forebear on the song side at least had nothing to do with being "loyal" to regionality. But most of us knew that anyway, didn'twe ? Hey ho.... |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Jack Blandiver Date: 02 Dec 08 - 09:12 AM Which is to say (having pressed the submit button a tad prematurely)... The general objection to WAV is one of exasperated infuriation at his absolutism, ill-founded or otherwise. Sure we all have opinions, which are true for ourselves, but only up to a point - that is until we realise the error of our ways and change our minds. And whilst debate & devil's advocacy might be fun, I don't think there's anyone here would be so arrogant as to assume anything approaching the degree of righteous conviction that underlies WAVs pronouncements on things he obviously knows fuck all about and yet so doggedly persists in the promotion of. Well we remember the 'English Country Dances', Please? thread where his initial position was thoroughly trounced by considered erudition from some highly qualified individuals, showing him the error of his ways. And yet in his latest Myspace Monthly Message (which I still get notice of on account of him being a friend of some of the pages I monitor on behalf of other people) he persists with his original position without having learned anything from the discussion [1]. Indeed, this is just a standard repetition of his rhetorical position formulated by way of conclusion years ago which will, no doubt, be repeated ad infinitum by way of the darker obsessive compulsion that underlies his Life's Work with no hope of ever learning anything anything new because he knows it all anyway. Having reached his conclusions, he believes he is right about everything he has pronounced upon, irrespective of how wrong those conclusions are and have been shown to be - be it on the nature of English Country Dance, The Chinese Erhu Fiddle, Immigration, Cultural & Ethnic Purity or the English Flute. No matter what anyone says, he will not change his mind; no matter how wrong his conclusions can be proven to be, not one jot will he alter his position. Who else is there on the fecking planet, let alone on this board, thinks like that? _________________ [1] Walkaboutsverse Monthly Message, December 2008: CEILIDHS? An English octogenarian has told me that at school - whilst one or two Scottish dances were learnt - at least 90% of their dancing was English Country Dance. From davidfranks.741.com (ORIGINAL) MESSAGE EMAILED-OUT DURING 2005 To many online folkies: Folk music IS meant to be local/regional/national. Our forebears were loyal to this when they formed the English Folk Dance and Song Society, as have been contemporary Scots by forming a Degree in Scottish Traditional Music. Furthermore, I'm told several of our earliest folk-clubs strongly encouraged participants to select from their own culture. My usual and only complaint with our present English-folk scene is the lack of loyalty to our own good tradition. There are more than enough good English songs, tunes and dances (plus instruments) for anyone's lifetime – let's appreciate others but perform our own! More broadly: nationalism with conquest is bad; but nationalism with eco-travel and fair-trade (via the U.N.) is good for humanity. Yours Faithfully, David Franks For more, see - davidfranks.741.com |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Surreysinger Date: 02 Dec 08 - 09:11 AM LOL! |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Jack Blandiver Date: 02 Dec 08 - 08:35 AM I can assure you he is. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Stu Date: 02 Dec 08 - 07:27 AM He's not the only one on this board who thinks like that. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Jack Blandiver Date: 02 Dec 08 - 07:24 AM social problems are partly due to greatly reduced church attendence Having reached your conclusions, WAV, is it not true that you now believe you are right about everything? |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Don Firth Date: 01 Dec 08 - 10:54 PM OY!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 01 Dec 08 - 08:02 PM Well, I did rather enjoy the fact that there was no sound recorded with it. He could have just been miming, we don't know for certain.. What I'm waiting for is the 'air-recorder' video demonstrating his tonguing technique. I almost wish I hadn't said that. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: GUEST,Woody Date: 01 Dec 08 - 07:26 PM Well I've enjoyed some of your offerings WAV. I believe the technical term is schadenfreude. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Don Firth Date: 01 Dec 08 - 06:26 PM ". . . and some have enjoyed my playing of it." Well, I did rather enjoy the fact that there was no sound recorded with it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Tootler Date: 01 Dec 08 - 06:19 PM WAV Wrote Tootler - some do refer to the recorder as the English flute, Guest, Smokey Wrote Who? I've played recorders since I was a child, and later on in a professional capacity and I have never heard the instrument referred to as an English flute until you came along. Please stop being silly, you know perfectly well what it's called, it's on the sheet of paper you got with it when you bought it. There you have it WAV. Even a professional agrees with me. But then, what do I, a mere amateur know, even though I probably first learnt to play the recorder before you were born and have been playing it regularly for the past 25 years. and some have enjoyed my playing of it. No comment! |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: GUEST,Smokey Date: 01 Dec 08 - 05:54 PM Smokey - Youve identified plagiarism in our midst. Listen to Wav's silent recorder demonstration... I think it's a rip-off of Cage's 4'33" Yes, I listened Stu. You're quite right, but I think he did it a bit fast for my tastes. That's beginners for you though - rush the music and miss all the subtle nuances. Really, one shouldn't record stuff until it's been aired in front of an audience. some do refer to the recorder as the English flute Who? I've played recorders since I was a child, and later on in a professional capacity and I have never heard the instrument referred to as an English flute until you came along. Please stop being silly, you know perfectly well what it's called, it's on the sheet of paper you got with it when you bought it. and some have enjoyed my playing of it. Some what? Your peers? Very polite people who just wish you would go? Dogs? ...but for any given tune, CB, the bellows of an Anglo would be pushed and pulled more than with an English, yes?... Yeah right WaV - what would a long-standing professional concertina player know about it? |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: GUEST Date: 01 Dec 08 - 05:12 PM No question, it must be the: English Concertina |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: The Sandman Date: 01 Dec 08 - 04:56 PM ..but for any given tune, CB, the bellows of an Anglo would be pushed and pulled more than with an English, yes?.. not necessarily,but often yes,but that doesnt create holes in them. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: s&r Date: 01 Dec 08 - 04:39 PM "Why don't you lay-back a bit on this matter?" WAV you put a lot of care into misspelling words with some misunderstood political agenda, and capitalizing your errors. Is this to wind people up? Or some strange attempt at humour. Do you wind me up - too bloody true cobber. Why do I respond? (God knows I ask myself the same question) Because I respect the Mudcat Forum and its accumulated wisdom. Because I dislike anti-female anti-immigrant anti God-knows-what rants. Because I value poetry and music, and I sincerely want you to become a competent singer/writer/musician - and I wish the same to anyone who chooses these paths. Because I resent the rudeness you show to people who I regard as friends, that I have met through this forum. Because I suspect the dissembling nature of your posts. Because you evade normal discussion. Regards Stu |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Gervase Date: 01 Dec 08 - 02:40 PM The Onanist's Press, of course. |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Don Firth Date: 01 Dec 08 - 02:38 PM ". . . published poems. . . ." Published where? What is the name of the publishing company? Who was the editor? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 01 Dec 08 - 01:28 PM ...but for any given tune, CB, the bellows of an Anglo would be pushed and pulled more than with an English, yes?... |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: Gervase Date: 01 Dec 08 - 01:27 PM Wav you are out of your depth Aye, Dick, but he's been out of his depth since the very start of this thread and has steadfastly and stubbornly refused to listen to anyone's advice. Best just to look upon him as our very own global village idiot and more to be pitied than scorned (until his starts the racist bleating again, of course). He really would be better off with a pig's bladder on a stick than his execrable recorder - sorry "English Flute" - playing. The singing really has to be heard, though. It's an absolute hoot! |
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Subject: RE: England's National Musical-Instrument? From: The Sandman Date: 01 Dec 08 - 01:14 PM As with the tenor-recorder/English-flute, Woody, when one plays a tune on the chromatic baritone English concertina (which I still think has a nice homely timbre) they are playing the very tune/top-line melody on the score - which, if also a singer, they can, of course, readily match with their voice. I also like the Anglo, but it is not fully chromatic and, with it's push-pull system, is more likely to develop holes and the associated gushing sounds that slightly spoil the timbre. more rubbish from WAV,the timbre of a concertina varies from instrument to instrument,to some extent it is dependent on the materials used,metal ends are brighter.however Ihave several different ebony ended concertinas and they all have a different timbre. baritone concertinas do not always copy first treble,this is rubbish,I played in the New Mexborough English Concertina Quartet,and am very well acquainted with four part arrangements for concertina,they occassionally play the same notes as First treble,but a lot of the time play a chordal part. Anglos dont develop holes because they are diatonic,concertinas develop holes because idiots play the bellows over their knees,thus wearing them out. Wav you are out of your depth |
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