BS: Are you a 'natural person'?

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: quokka
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 11:43 PM

...and your Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: artbrooks
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 11:24 PM

Upper case - but probably not. Do you have your towel?

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Wynetta
Date: 02 Dec 08 - 11:20 PM

So your saying that all I have to do to correct this thing is put my name in regular grammar? If thats the case tell me how?what? and when?

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Shaun
Date: 05 Jan 08 - 03:37 AM

I have been watching this thread for awhile now. I can't sit back and watch what everyone is doing to this individual. You are calling this person all types of names and such and putting them down. Well I am an Attorney in Fact, and their are many secrets that you dumbed down people do not know, and now is a very good time for you dumb asses to wake the fuck up!!!

The world is full of illusions!!!

For instance to start off with the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a non-profit religious corporation, a 501(c)3 corporation. It's not a country, It's a church!!! Under what religion are we held? We are under satanic freemasonry rule as a British colony!
The president and vice-president, are the president and vice-president of the corporation so is the treasurer, secretaries, etc.
You should also know that all corporations are fictions in law. All CORPORATION/FICTION are seen by their ALL CAPS NAMES. What makes matters worse is that they have made everyone a ALL CAPS CORPORATE/FICTION. This is done for many, many, reasons but the main reason is control of everything and everyone. A person is a corporate fiction, so is the U.S., STATES (STATE OF CONFUSION, STATE OF AWARENESS, ETC.) COUNTIES, CITIES, ETC.!!!
A human being in a law dictionary is a monster!!! A NAME is something given to a slave!!! ETC., ETC., ETC.
But ALL LAW IS CONTRACT LAW. For example: Are you a U.S. CITIZEN? What this question is really asking you is were you born within the 10 square mile area known as WASHINGTON, D.C. or a 14th amendment citizen? You can make a CORPORATION NAME anything you want to, it doesn't make it so. Just like the UNITED STATES are NOT the states united. So we were fraudulently put in the D.C. jurisdiction by contracts of our SHADOW GOVERNMENT.
We are all under Admiralty/maritime law NOT common law. Admiralty/maritime law supercedes the constitution, and any and all law. Admiralty/maritime law is the "Law of the World". In other words if you were pulled over for speeding, arrested for anything, broken any so-called law, IT HAS TO BE ON THE OCEAN OR SEA TO LEGALLY CONTRACT IN WITH THEM!!!
A judge is a high priest of the freemasons but in actuality their hasn't been a judge since 1789!!!! You need a lawyer to re-present you because you are a fiction and the judge cannot see nor hear you without one!!! Real living people cannot be re-presented by lawyers because they have no juris-diction over living people, only fictions. Juris means oath, diction means spoken from the mouth. The BAR ASSOCIATION stands for the BRITISH ACCREDITED REGENCY/REGISTRY. Jails and prisons are privately owned warehouses and are only holding corporate entities/fictions, the fictions are warehoused and have to be bonded just like any other warehouse no matter what the merchandise. They cannot hold real living people. That's why they had to create the "strawman" a man of no substance, a third party transmitting utility, to use as they see fit. Merchandise is a sea term like the merchant marines. When a so-called judge ask you, do you "understand" what you are being charged with, he is asking you to "stand under" his jurisdiction and all charges so they can do what they want to you, as you are assuming the unaware role for the fiction!!! When they ask you this ALWAYS ANSWER WITH NO! I DO NOT STAND UNDER THESE CHARGES!!! If they ask you how you plead guilty or not guilty, you have to realize that they have taken out the innocent plea back in 1973, and their is a huge difference. Always plead non-assumpsit because you are telling them that you are NOT ASSUMING the role of the fiction and your not playing their game!!! Coincidently, where do you play basketball, tennis, etc,.... on a court, it's all on big sick game they want you to play, just like you play tennis with a racket, it's all one huge gigantic....wait for it....RACKET!!! ....Hmmmmm........I could go on and on....just like Jordan maxwell says.....We are all word controlled beings, and they do not make these words up by mere chance....everything is for their purpose and gain from the mindless wage slaves!!! LAND OF THE FEE, AND HOME OF THE SLAVE!!!
We should learn by this to NEVER contract with these bastards. But now we are under fake government, fake laws, fake names, fake states, counties, cities, etc. Living and going along with the illusions like they were real.
The only power they have is the power that we give or have already given to them, and we have obviously given them way too much.
House joint resolution 192 of June 5th of 1933 4:30pm, The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, the non-profit religious freemasonry satanic corporation is BANKRUPT!!! Hello! Their is NO MONEY!!! We are paying so-called debts with debt money promissory notes!!! Look at your satanic freemasonry 1 dollar bill!!! Real "living souls" cannot owe a debt, be in jails or prison, or do business with anyone legally!!! But they are!!! Do "real people" really realize that everything is already paid for by our u.c.c.-1 filing? That if we accept the presentment, charge, bill, monetary value, etc. WE WOULD ALL BE MULTI-MILLIONAIRES FROM THE SO-CALLED DEBT ALONE!!!! Guess not, ignorance=stupidity!!!
I know all about the illusions but other people not knowing is why I have to suffer. It's also the reason 12 mason cops broke into my home, kidnapped me, made me take their drugs 3 times daily for 90 days imprisoned until I was forced to illegally contract with them.
They don't want me teaching people the truth, but I refuse to be fearful of "the powers that be". As for other people, get some balls, it's time we take what is rightfully ours. Stop living in the illusions and feeding them!!! Ignorance is not bliss!!! It's literally killing the ones on this earth that are trying to save everyone from this hideous monster that has been let run amok.
I have only barely scratched the surface with all the illusions, the amount of actual research material would astound and bewilder the public. We have been fooled and duped into living in a fairy tale nightmare, when will it ever end?
When we look at the presidential candidates, and truly understand these illusions, we can then see why Ron Paul has an overwhelming advantage to us, the real living people. The truly bewildering question would be that if Ron Paul actually won, would it actually change anything in the illusions we are trapped in? Would the "powers that be" allow such a thing as sovereign citizens (real living people instead of fictions), the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA MASONRY CHURCH changed to a actual country, the subsidiaries like the states, counties, cities, us, wal-mart, target, mc donalds, etc given actual free enterprise and are real? Would they allow doing away with these fictitious corporations including the treasury and IRS, and ALL CORPORATIONS for that matter since by so-called law all corporations are fictions? Will we actually be able to own our own land, home, vehicle, ourselves (souls), or anything for that matter? Etc., Etc., Etc..............
To tell you the truth I like Ron Paul, and he is the best candidate that we have. But.....their is something that bothers me. It makes me feel like their is something else going on that we don't know about. He is noted as being a MASON with all the signs in place. I would personally love to have a one on one conversation with Ron Paul, and ask the real questions, the ones that the majority of our populace have no clue or hint about.
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The fastest way to find out who is the legal owner is to stop paying property tax and see who sends you notices, or knocks on your door, demanding payment.

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
J. Edgar Hoover

The FCC is the government agency that licenses and regulates "free speech."

Regulation is control!


All that is necessary for evil to triumph, is that good men do nothing.

"The Matrix is a system Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you are inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters: the very minds we are trying to save. Until we do, these people are part of that system and that makes them our enemies. You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many are so hopelessly dependent on the system, they'll fight to protect it."

(Morpheus, from "The Matrix")

Just my 2 cents worth.....Wait....Why is it that you only get a penny for your thoughts but you have to put your 2-cents worth in?
Who's pocketing the difference?

With kind regards from a real living soul,
Shaun

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 09:44 PM

"could not be shown the law that Cryer owed income tax"

This only applies to the USA...

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 12:56 AM

From an email:

IRS Loses! - Tom Cryer acquitted by jury - video

Here's another story about a unaniimous acquittal by a lawyer who sued the IRS...complete with video: PASS IT ON!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgbYkElqxw0

(Of course, youtube has removed the video, but there's a story about this at the link below):

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855

A jury of 12 could not be shown the law that Cryer owed income tax, so he was acquitted. This is happening more and more around the U.S. Income tax is voluntary. When you sign your tax form for "last year," you are in reality volunteering to pay taxes for next year. Get a lawyer and get out of the system.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 09 Jun 07 - 07:35 PM

The Browns have gone through all the steps required to exit the fraudulent Income Tax System. That Amendment to the constitution was never ratified, by the way. No one has ever been able to produce the paperwork showing the amendment was ratified. It was just announced as "the law" one day in 1913.

So the Browns have asked to be shown proof that the Amendment was ratified. They've also gone through all the processes you can use to legally exit the taxing system. One of those processes involves making your religious principles public knowledge. You can legally claim that allegiance to God or the Creator supercedes the laws of Man. So they did that, and all the other things required by law to file and buy their way out of the Income Tax system. They have been left with no alternative now but to retreat to their property and tell the 'authorities' to leave them alone. Of course they expect to die. Remember Waco.

No matter what news the government puts out about how bad the Browns are, don't forget that a hundred snipers are surrounding them right now. Surrounding American citizens accused of financial mischief. This action won't scare people like actions against Leona Helmsly did in the old days (was that her name, the woman they busted on tax day to put television fear into taxpayers nationwide?). Now we know what the Federal Reserve and the IRS are, and people are tired of having private banks pick their pockets.

And the jurisdiction of US courts is an interesting subject. Courts have American flags fringed in gold. Whenever you see a nation's flag fringed in gold, that means it is the flag of a conquered nation, under maritime, Admiralty law. So, when a judge is sitting in front of a fringed US flag, he or she is passing judgements under Admiralty law. That's why they constantly say things like, "The Constitution has no place in my court." They're judging you under Admiralty law, not US law. So the quickest way to throw a wrench into legal procedings, and piss off judges, is to ask which 'jurisdiction' they're operating under. Nowadays they just lock you up for contempt of court for a month and then bring you back to start over. Federal courts are in actuality criminal maritime courts (seriously, the piratical law of the sea). The Browns know this are apparently tired of fooling with the pirates in control of the courts.

I thought we all knew this stuff here. Don't believe the government's press releases about the Browns. They're just a couple who figured out HOW they were being taken advantage of, they tried to get out of the system, and now the criminals in control of the government feel the need to kill them.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Jun 07 - 10:01 AM

From what I have read that's exactly what the Browns want...to be martyrs. They are threatening a fight to the death rather than be taken into custody. The feds have been talking with them on a daily basis since January, so they are not in any hurry. If they'd wanted to take them out they could have done so ages ago. Here's a bit of why the Browns are holed up:

The Browns insist federal income tax laws are invalid and stopped attending their trial partway through. They were convicted in January of scheming to hide $1.9 million of income between 1996 and 2003. They also were convicted of using $215,890 in postal money orders to pay for their residence and for Elaine Brown's dental office in neighboring Lebanon, the property seized Thursday. The money orders were broken into increments just below the tax-reporting threshold.

U.S. District Judge Steven McAuliffe sentenced them each to 5 1/4 years in prison. They skipped the April 24 sentencing hearings that ordered them to being serving time immediately.

The couple has described the court as a "fiction" unworthy of their attention and returned government mail unopened.

The Browns answered a telephone call from The Associated Press about 11 a.m. Thursday by saying: "This is the Lord's House. This is Sister Elaine and Brother Edward."

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Jun 07 - 03:36 AM

Do you really believe that this will be "Waco, part 2" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Jun 07 - 02:46 AM

200 thank you!

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Jun 07 - 02:46 AM

la la la la la ....

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 09 Jun 07 - 12:41 AM

Well, I just listened to an interview with people inside the Brown's house. People have been coming and going in support, and one young man was out walking the Brown's dog this moring. The dog sensed something and the dog walker noticed tree branches had been cut back into the wooded area nearby. He approached, and two men in camoflauge jumped up and confronted him. Aimed rifles at him. The dog took off running, and so did the man. Two shots were fired and they narrowly missed his head. The cops ran him down, tazered him, then later told him to repeat some story they made up about what happened. They told him he'd spend 25 years in prison if he told what happened. And he was on a radio describing the event in detail. lol

Witnesses say a hundred federal cops have surrounded the place, there are 4 armored personnel carriers patroling, two hover drones photographing. The feds are switching the power on and off, jamming communications, etc.

The young man this morning possibly disrupted a sniper assault on the house. The federal government IS going to kill these people. I was very glad when Elaine Brown returned to her husband. She had a breakdown during the government's torturing and agreed to some kind of sentence which required her to wear an ankle bracelet ID tag while staying with one of her kids. She cut the fucking thing off and returned to her husband, and she says they don't plan to leave the house alive. She also said plans are in place to deal with the feds who have tortured the couple over the past few years. And the Brown's friends know what the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is for -- the right to bear arms to prevent government abuses. So when the Browns are killed, the judges and attorneys and cops that tortured them will probably be eliminated.

The feds have evacuated everyone within a mile of the place, and that's because they know what snipers can do. The local cops won't have that luxury if this develops into a rebellion. The cops in my area will kick in one door, kill the family, and that will be it. They won't make it to the second door. Half my neighbors can kill a deer at 400 yards, so the police will be in for a hard time if they try to go along with the federal government's martial law plans. I don't think our cops will though.

Should be interesting. I just want to drill a few ChiComs.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Jun 07 - 09:20 PM

There is a videotaped interview of Mr. Brown HERE. I have not studied it enough to really comment, but from what I hear he sounds a bit off the wall/crazy BUT my Rog and I both have a tiny bit of admiration for him because he seems willing to "turn the screw."

I do NOT believe it is going to go the way you have predicted.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Jun 07 - 09:18 PM

I bought the wrong bannanas...

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 08 Jun 07 - 09:06 PM

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Ed+Brown+says+feds+have+no+jurisdiction+in+New+Hampshire&articleId=844a9c5f-547

The US govt is being revealed for the criminal enterprise it is, because of the internet, so they're staging an event. This Ed Brown situation is potentially the most explosive thing going on in America right now. The feds are going to murder these people and hope some of the police get killed in the exchange. That way, Bush can enact the 'insurrection' provisions of the new Patriot Act. After half a million cops are killed, the ferrign troops will be called in. I don't know how cops go along with this crap.

Buy ammo.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 May 07 - 06:33 AM

We love the moon, cause it is close to us....

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 05 May 07 - 10:07 PM

"Land, protected by Land Patent, can't lawfully be seized for debt or taxes." Therefore, no mortgage or tax liability can stand against a Land Patent.

http://www.teamlaw.org/LandPatents.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 08:08 PM

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&p=How+I+Clobbered+Every+Cash+Confiscatory+Agency

Several links to the book there. One of them should work.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Peace
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 12:00 AM

Your link doesn't seem to work.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 11:40 PM

Oh yeah, tax day in the U.S. When was that? A couple of days ago? I meant to file this year, but then I remembered...I DON'T HAVE TO!

...I also told her, "If it makes you feel any better, you're not alone - the credit card banks think I owe them $40,000. I know that I don't really owe them, I just don't know how to prove it." Lo and behold, she said, "You just send the letters." I leapt from my chair - my prayer had indeed been answered - ask and ye shall receive. She then produced a series of letters, the drift of which was to request the bank to provide me with three things:
1. validation of the debt (the actual accounting);
2. verification of their claim against me (a sworn affidavit or even just a signed invoice); and,
3. a copy of the contract binding both parties.
I was to write, as soon as I received these three documents, that I would be happy to pay any financial obligation I might lawfully owe.The banks can't validate the debt because they never sustained a loss; they can't verify any claim against me because I am not the NAME they are billing - more on this later. They can't produce a copy of the contract because one doesn't exist. What exists is an unenforceable unilateral contract. What the banks refer to as 'your contract with us' is not a valid bilateral agreement since the four requirements of a lawful, binding contract were not met on the credit card 'application', namely:
1. Full Disclosure (we are not told that we are creating the credit with our signature);
2. Equal Consideration (they bring nothing to the table, hence they have nothing to lose);
3. Lawful Terms and Conditions (they are based upon fraud); and
4. Signatures of the Parties (corporations can't sign because they have no right to contract as they are legal fictions). Credit cards are win/ win for the banks and lose/ lose for everyone else - it is the slickest con game on the planet....

Interesting book.

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&p=How+I+Clobbered+Every+Cash+Confiscatory+Agency&u=www.freedomfiles.org/mary

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 10:30 PM

Despite my suburban exterior I was an American Shaman at one time.
Of course I wasn't the fascinating part. It was the clients who had the amazing experiences that were beyond a real life Twilight Zone.

Out of 12,000 people there were about 500 people whose stories need to be told.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 01:34 PM

Wow. I thought this was about Do you shave your legs if you're American, or something.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,toadz100
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 11:31 AM

Hi all, I see that some of you reference Mary Croft's book "How I Clobbered..." Has anyone used the the info in her book to access their 'closed account' funds from the Dept. of the Treasury. If you have would you be willing to share the info as to how one accesses it??

Any help helps!!

CU!!
toadz

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 05:49 PM

I just copy pasted the given url - how would I be expected to know there was a typo? And why would I not know that there was supposed to more paranoia in a 'paranoia thread'?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Mar 07 - 08:44 AM

Well, I was thinking you were making a joke about Ayzed's typo by repeating it. I thought it was a good joke but I was wrong. Correcting the typo in the URL instead of just c&p finds the site.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 05:47 PM

The site refused to show when I tried to access it.

At the bottom of the yahoo search link above currently is

have you checked "www.financialoutrage.org.uk"?
No.
Best Answer - Chosen by users


:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 05:34 PM

"DURING AN AVERAGE LIFETIME THE FINANCIAL ESTABLISHMENT ARE STEALING £180,000 FROM EVERYONE WITH A PENSION AND A MORTGAGE"

Funnily enough Little Fascist Johnny and his mad mates have finally realised that ripping off Superannuation by triple taxing it is only pushing people to NOT have sufficient super, thus ensuring that they will all want pensions, so now they have decided that as from NEXT year, payouts will now be tax free. A bit late for many...

The clever rich bastards who can use tax credits to pay mortgages on any property used for investment definitely DO have an advantage over all the poor bastards who cannot have a tax credit for the mortgage payments on their own principal residence....

Interestingly, if you are on a pension (but not if you are just unemployed!) you can get extra 'rent subsidy' to help someone ELSE pay off a mortgage on a property you RENT, but you are screwed for paying off you OWN mortgage where you live. If you think about it, those paying off their OWN mortgages in difficult financial situations probably need the help MORE to stop them losing their OWN home.

None of this is due to 'conspiracies', it's just bloody stupid minded laziness on the part of politicians, who are almost always form a 'richer' class than many of the people they represent!

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 02:01 PM

Sheep. Can't even do a yahoo search for financialoutrage.

LOL. NG, you just did not understand the post from Foolestroupe.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 12:36 PM

Sheep. Can't even do a yahoo search for financialoutrage. Here are some links:

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu4u8LvhFeNEAkiCl87UF?ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&p=financialoutrage

Here's an interesting page from the site:

http://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/returning_the_money_to_the_people.htm

Yes, Ayzed, unfortunately I do know this stuff. The people around me are living in a dream world.

If you neanderthals want further enlightenment on financial matters, I suggest you look at the "Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports" thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 11:48 AM

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: jeffp
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 07:05 AM

Natural Guest is a paranoid idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 06:51 AM

http://www.finacialoutrage.org.uk does not now exist... more paranoia!!!!!

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Ayzed
Date: 14 Mar 07 - 01:13 AM

This being my first(and possibly only)visit to this site I couldn't help but add my two cents worth. Two cents of what? you may ask.

You all need to read a book by 'Mary Elizabeth Croft' entitled 'How I Clobbered Every Cash Confiscatory Agency Know To Man'. It can be found at

http://www.finacialoutrage.org.uk

You wont have any problem finding it once you're there. This will give a good heads up on the situation. There's plenty more out there if you search for it.

Natural Guest knows their stuff. Listen (read) wisely.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:36 PM

So we're all 'Sovereigns' then?

Ah - who can remember the original 'be your own pope' movement/conspiracy?

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: mrdux
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 07:18 PM

How could I have missed it?

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:23 PM

See?

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Undeniable Truth
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 06:08 PM

Guest, the natural person is just a legal entity and not the real man or woman. Check out the reasoning, below.


http://www.suijuris.net/forum/citizenship-jurisdiction/3801-sovereign-person-entity-individual-3.html

Some people misunderstand the use of the phrase "natural person". Supreme Court has held that a "person" (of any kind) is a fictitious legal or commercial entity. Most people think that a natural person is a reference to a human being, and they are right - partially.

While a natural person is technically a human being, it is not a human being in sovereign form, but a human being in legal or commercial form. The definition of "natural person" given in Black's Law Dictionary, as well as the state codes is "A human being which has been ascribed rights and duties by the State". In other words it's more word games trying to make you think that, if you are a human being, the word "natural person" applies to you. This is ONLY if you declare yourself to be a "person". If you are a sovereign, you cannot be given rights and duties by the states, because, as Supreme Court said, "Let a State be subordinate to the people... [the State] is the inferior contrivance of man..." If a State is inferior to me, how does the State presume to tell me what my rights and duties are? It is the PEOPLE who tell the STATES what the State's rights and duties are, and the only way that role can be reversed is if the sovereigns agree to it. If you are a sovereign (which the people are), then you are not a "person" OF ANY KIND, unless you declare yourself to be so. The Supreme Court has repeatedly held this, and "natural person" is the latest word game of the attorneys. Supreme Court says if you ARE a sovereign, you CANNOT be a "person".
Last edited by hooded50 : 02-07-2007 at 06:56 AM.


http://www.suijuris.net/forum/citizenship-jurisdiction/3801-sovereign-person-entity-individual-4.html

So far, I've had three judges recuse themselves from any case involving me, another judge who retired rather than answer my questions, and another judge who refused to act against me when confronted with these facts. Hence, your contention that "...it always loses when it is the support to a legal argument." is, in and of itself, erroneous. There is no "legal argument", because what I've given is facts that the Supreme Court for the united States of America has confirmed. The various Codes of the States defines a "person" as "..an individual, corporation, trust, estate, association or other legal or commercial entity."The Supreme Court for the united States of America held in Vermont Agency of Natural Resources v. United States ex rel. Stevens that: "...The definition of "person"...includes...any natural person, partnership, corporation, association, or other legal entity." Even Supreme Court admits that a "natural person" is still a "legal entity", and that the term "natural person" falls within the definition of "person". A "natural person" is a human being, but it is a human being that is legally recognized as a "legal" entity, and not recognized as a "sovereign". Last edited by hooded50 : 02-07-2007 at 06:52 PM.


See the reference to the court case, below.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/98-1828.ZO.html

14 The dissent contends that our argument "prove[s] too much," since
the definition of "person" in §3733(l)(4) includes not just States, but also "any natural person, partnership, corporation, association, or other legal entity"; under our reasoning, it contends, all of those entities would also be excluded from the definition of "person" under §3729. Post, at 11.

Undeniable Truth

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 09:27 AM

Actually I found the real answer to the tax thingie on CreationWiki


Creationist 'employed by God' charged with tax fraud
While facing 58 counts of tax fraud, Kent Hovind asserts he has no income or property because everything belongs to God.
WorldNetDaily. July 26, 2006.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51236

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:21 PM

Interesting. However, in what way does Illinois state law - or lack thereof - affect federal law?

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 11:52 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6716929127738729234

15-minute video clip of Marcella Brooks. She was featured in the film America: Freedom to Fascism. She was the foreman on the jury that found Whitey Harrell not guilty of failure to file. The jury was TOLD it was the law and had tax code thrown at them, but they were never shown the law. Fascinating. This is film of her speaking at a Press Club somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 07:26 AM

"I just noticed that this is NOT the 'unnatural acts with melons dressed in state-of-the-art imitation mother-of-pearl sequin gown' thread. "

For duty, the woman.
For pleasure, the boy.
For Ecstasy, the melon.

Old Arab Saying - so I was told...

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 12:29 AM

Hmmm. Lotta strange stuff there.

The funny thing is, I've known some very intelligent people who were Jehovah's Witnesses (as well as numerous others who were just average intelligence). This has proven to me that the most important component determining people's beliefs is not their intelligence, but their personal background. What I mean is, most of them grew up in families that were JV's, and they just naturally adopted that view of things as they grew up and it became their bedrock understanding of reality.

The same is true of most people. They are not nearly as objective as they think they are.

The most interesting case was a very bright young Chinese woman who did the other thing: she rebelled totally against her traditional Chinese family by becoming a Jehovah's Witness in her early 20's. That can happen too. I could never figure out how she could reconcile her keen intelligence with some of her JV beliefs.

On the other hand, I'll say this of the JVs. They are generally very well-behaving, responsible, honest people, and good neighbours.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: GUEST,Natural Guest
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 11:49 PM

Hey, Little Hawk, I came across some interesting stuff about the Jehovah's Witnesses a while back. Lost that link but there are others. Things about the pyramids and the Pleides star system they claim (or the founders did) was the seat of heaven. Here's the first site that popped up on a search:

http://www.jwfiles.com/outline.htm

Maybe this is where income taxpayers think their money is going. Who knows?

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 11:41 PM

I know, but sometimes people are just asking to be laughed at.

What can one do but oblige?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 11:16 PM

Everybody expects to be taken seriously. Consider, for example, people like George Bush...or the Jehovah's Witnesses that come to your door and mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: jeffp
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 10:09 PM

Actually, I'm greatly amused at your antics. I can't believe you expect to be taken seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 09:39 PM

WHAT COP? OK, maybe I don't need what whoever is on is on. In fact, I just noticed that this is NOT the 'unnatural acts with melons dressed in state-of-the-art imitation mother-of-pearl sequin gown' thread. I am SO embarrassed.

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 09:36 PM

I thought you were talking about what the police officer is on. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 09:18 PM

Sorry, FT. "I hear that" is a North American expression that means, "I agree with you."

Subject: RE: BS: Are you a 'natural person'?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Feb 07 - 09:18 PM

I know. I want some, too. That's why I said "I hear that."