BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 04:28 PM

And that was something much more worth calling "the UK's worst robbery"...

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 02:24 PM

Carson and his ilk were the armed terrorists in 1922 the whole creation of the 'Sick Counties' was at the point of a gun or two, between the threatened mutiny at the Curragh and Ian paisley's role model in Belfast. Referendum! Democracy! What bloody democracy.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 12:32 PM

I agree with guest the terrorists were in power from 1922 and had free rein to do whatever they liked.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 10:29 PM

You can photograph all the weapons getting decommissioned now that there may be £2mill in hip pockets to replace them.

Asshole's the lot of them rep and loyalists, why do they not piss off and let us live in peace, maybe then a UI will come about.

As for our police, to assume that they are hand in hand with the loyalists indicates a complete lack of knowledge of the situation in N.Ireland.

Rep have their areas tied up just like the loyalist and the police will not go near either areas. As a local loyalist thug put it to me when I stood up to some hoods, the hoods got a kick'in, I got an apology, all I had to do was not involve the police, as they did not want any police to see what they are up to.

This crap Goes on in rep areas also and we still have misguided people looking upon tham as heroes.

To top it off, it was my neighbourhood police who suggested talking to the hoods. Our Housing exec actually go to the local hood commanders to sort housing issues out.

We miss the point when any terrorist gets their hands on power we all lose, it is just a matter of time til some crap happens to you, be you the terrorists supporter/apologists or not they do not give a dam.

What chance do we have???

BTW the reason that the IRA are being blamed is simple, the loyalists would have told everyone how they did it by now. Also the daft attempt to misguide the police by spending money in loyalist part of Belfast fooled no one.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:46 PM

Sure Bertie's only worried in case they use the money to finance a Sinn Fein candidate to run against him next election.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Grab
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 06:45 PM

Robo, that's absolutely correct. The IRA and loyalist gangs run all the drugs etc. and do all the same sort of crap like intimidation, torture and murder that the Mob would. It's bilateral - the IRA and loyalist paramilitaries just provide a convenient cover for the thugs of both sides.

At one time this wasn't the case, but the paramilitaries on both sides have long since ceased to have any political meaning.

Personally I reckon it's a bit crap that they'd just say this and not back it up though. If they know something, then tell us, don't just say "oh, I'm sure it was them". I don't mind them saying that the paramilitary gangs are suspects - you'd be stupid to rule them out - but to pick one group out without giving evidence just makes you look biased and gives ammunition for all the bigots out there (which means every NI politician).

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 04:01 PM

Without some kind of evidence it's all complete speculation. And the fact that Bernie Aherne has come out with more of the same means bugger all - he's got an agenda here, as they say, just the same as all the other parties involved.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Jan 05 - 02:52 PM

Ard Mhacha, I was hoping you would post. Joking aside, do you think it was them? Does it matter that it was being planned during negotiations? What of Adams and McGuiness' denials?
Also, joking aside, this was a terrifying ordeal for the family members taken hostage at gun point by hooded men.
Bertie Aherne has just blamed IRA.
Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:42 PM

Of course, in a movie, the police chief who was so eager to point the finger would turn out to be up to his neck in it...

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:38 PM

Seamus, Correct, I hope head cop Orde is right, we wouldn`t want the money falling into the wrong hands.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 04:05 PM

Saw the flick "The General" When the IRA wasn't involved in a big heist they felt slighted. I had a friend in Alaska who was playing tourist once driving through the North he was stopped on the road and his rental vehicle was 'requisitioned' by an armed party. Didn't seem to make any difference that he was a priest. I've got the impression that the IRA has maintained a patina of political respectability whilst filling in the activities of what we in the US call 'The Mob'.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 03:51 PM

Shouldn't the thread title be UK BEST robbery, PIRA?

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 03:23 PM

Think you mean 'raze' Ake. 'Raise' is the opposite of 'raze'.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:51 PM

It could be good news really. If the IRA are finally willing to disband to facilitate the peace process this might well be the funding for a "redundency package" to enable their members to have reasonable severence payments in recognition of up to 30 years service to the organisation.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 12:42 PM

After 'Alexander the Grate', might it be with Ian Paisley junior this love interest?
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,milk monitor
Date: 08 Jan 05 - 09:34 AM

If ever they get caught and the plot discovered...it's going to make a great movie.

Gripping, witty and with a heavy dose of human fraility I reckon. A superb soundtrack, beautiful wild scenery and probably Colin Farrell looking mean with a gun whilst at the same time, maintaining the love interest.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: John Routledge
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 08:30 PM

Very sad Ake but not guaranteed to be untrue. :0(

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 08:05 PM

Could be wrong, but the police "incompetence" in stopping the getaway of the robbers ( apparently it was 2 hours before they responded) points more towards a loyalist operation,given the links between the police and loyalist groups.

An excellent wheeze to completely derail the peace process.

Just goes to show what a morass N Ireland still is, while we try to teach the world how to practice "democracy".

Maybe the yanks will need to come in, raise Derry to the ground and install a puppet government...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 02:13 PM

Still think they did it!
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 02:11 PM

Agreed Guest, and in UK individal suspects must not be labelled by police or press as probably guilty, nor evidence given against them.

Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 02:01 PM

So sez the NI police chief, under a tremendous amount of pressure from above to point a finger at someone, so he conveniently points it at the IRA, offering no proof whatsoever, and sending the DUP echo chamber into high gear.

The police are certtain of this? Brilliant. Let them prove it in a court of law, rather than the court of public opinion, then.

The IRA may or may not be involved. But there is a little thing called the JUSTICE SYSTEM where these things are rightfully followed through upon, NOT A PRESS CONFERENCE.

Subject: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Jan 05 - 01:36 PM

We recently discussed the DUP insisting on photos of IRA decommissioning. (thread deleted?)
It now seems that while Sinn Fein were negotiating, a huge bank robbery was in advanced planning by IRA.
The police are certain of this, and hostages were taken to Republican areas.
Sinn Fein deny IRA involvement, but they did about IRA involvement in Columbia, etc.
Do any NI members doubt IRA involvement?
Keith.