BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: The Curator
Date: 16 Jul 05 - 11:44 AM

Loyalist weapons have been killing non stop since the cease fires were called. If the Provisional weapons had been as hot no doubt we would be hearing a lot more about it.Loyalist politicans tend to over look the actions of those that they shared platforms with.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jul 05 - 01:46 AM

The way I see it, Keith is the one who insists on bringing up McCartney

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 12:42 PM

It is strange that a number of people can say McCartney this, McCartney that, yet when one person mentions the White House, all of a sudden that is meant to be a reference to someone whose name he never even mentioned...

That is precisely the problem with getting rid of Loyalist weapons, Keith.

EVERYBODY wants to concentrate on something else.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Windscale renamed 'Sellafield' to (among other things) try and get the bad association the general public had with the original name?

... giving you a wee bit of help here, Keith..

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 12:34 PM

Barry O brought it up on May 26, and was trying to slate Den about it. (You don't read, Keith)
Brendy brought up the bandwagon - remember that ANYONE not wishing to be caught at ANYTHING will try to cover their crime up.
As for the 'outrage' that followed. Think 'stage managed', and you start to scrape under the surface
One guy died after a scrap in a pub, Loyalist guns, used under sanction from their leadership, have killed the others.

You don't see the significance of 'Windscale'?
Even after you drew the connection?

Gratuitous isn't the word Keith
Either that or you've a strong set of gums

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 11:52 AM

And,
perhaps I am thick, but am I the only one who has no idea what the significance of Windscale (now Sellafield) is?

(Is anyone else still following this stuff)

Keith
(sans teeth)

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 11:48 AM

Did it hold many people's interest?
Not here it didn't.
Not until days later when the sisters said that senior Sinn Fein members were involved IN THE COVER UP

IT WAS NOT THE KILLING BUT THE COVER UP THAT MADE MCCARTNEY'S CASE DIFFERENT.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: The Curator
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 11:34 AM

In answer to above, The McCartney case held many peoples interest because they hoped the government would say it was a Privisional Irish Republican Army murder, and that they were going to view the cease fire void,that's why. His sisters were pumped by the PSNI to get locals to rid the area of any volunteers. I have stated before and I will state again no unit acted under an order to kill him, it was a bar fight and yes Republicans were involved. There is a hope among many that things will re start again, so they can get into Republicans with the boot. I am more interested in watching the government and police service answer questions in the public inquiries next year. This thread is about Loyalist weapons, keep to the thread please.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 11:32 AM

Pulling teeth is right!
I said that on the very next post to Brendy's, and how many times since?

IT WAS NOT THE KILLING BUT THE COVER UP THAT MADE MCCARTNEY'S CASE DIFFERENT.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 11:28 AM

I am sorry, but Brendy did start this debate on 3rd July.
Look back for yourself.
(Tam did mention the name on 26th May but no one followed that up)
It is not about anyones right to life.

As I keep trying to explain to you,
IT WAS NOT THE KILLING BUT THE COVER UP THAT MADE MCCARTNEY'S CASE DIFFERENT.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 02:28 AM

This is like pulling teeth...

Keith!

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 02:25 AM

That is precisely the point, Keith.
Going by track record (documented incidences of collusion), it wouldn't, and outside of nicking someone elses letter to send to your MP you, nor anybody else seems to want to open that can of worms.

Brendy didn't bring up McCartney, Keith.
Why the fuck are you still concentrating on this?
You are negating the relevance of the discussion by being gratuitously thick
Consider Jameson Lockhart a guy that has just as much right to life as anyone else, and take your sides from there.

Loyalist weapons off the street?
Mmmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 05 - 01:17 AM

The "bandwagon" was not attatched to McCartney because of the community his killers were from.
I don't think his murder was even repoted here.

The big story was that his sisters, in defiance of IRA intimidation, claimed senior Sinn Feiners were involved in the subsequent cover up, and large numbers of Short Strand Nationalists were (briefly) prepared to take to the streets to support the family.

If UDR politicians were accused of covering up the loyalist murders the outcry would be the same and comparison could be made.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Den
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 09:01 PM

Slow down there Keith we're talking about two different murders here, I know... its hard to keep up, hence the title of this thread. Hopefully Tam is still reading.

The murder you're refering to:

From: GUEST,Brendy - PM
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 12:39 PM
I wonder will the family of this guy get brought to the White House next Paddy's Day?,

is the murder of Jameson Lockhart who was murdered on July 1st. Craig McCausland was murdered July 13th. Come on Keith make an effort. I have supplied relevant links.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 08:21 PM

The White House reference was the 'bandwagon', Keith. And the question was 'I wonder'?

The bandwagon, of course that still isn't attached to McCausland, and as Den points out, may well never be.

Loyalist guns kill innocent people too.
That is what we've been trying to tell you.

If its OK for the Loyalists to continue to carve up their territory, and blow all prospective competition to Kingdom Come, well then, anything goes, really.

Don't you think a few Loyalist bandwagons would be nice for a change?

All back to the question of Loyalist guns.
And one PUP Assembly member who hasn't been invited into the game of 'tig'.

I remember the time when there wasn't even an Assembly, and the IRA were 'on it' all the time

I remember Windscale too

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 12:21 PM

I did not bring up the McCartney case. I just responded to Brendy on 3rd July who said

From: GUEST,Brendy - PM
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 12:39 PM
I wonder will the family of this guy get brought to the White House next Paddy's Day?


"This guy" was the man thought to be LVF (thnks for the family's denial and that of LVF Den)
The "White House " ref. was McCartney.

I was not complaining of not being answered, but of the abuse that came with it.
The tradition on this forum is that members from all countries discus events of the day. Members local to the events usually give the benefit of their local knowledge and experience without slating others for not being local.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Den
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 10:54 AM

Go here for the full article that I quoted from.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Den
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 09:37 AM

Oh wait a minute the election is over.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Den
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 09:34 AM

From the Belfast Telegraph today:

The family of a young father of one who was shot dead by UVF gunmen yesterday rubbished claims he was in the LVF - and the organisation last night issued a statement saying he was not a member.

Craig McCausland, who was due to celebrate his 21st birthday next month, was hit by at least five bullets when masked men opened fire at a house in the Dhu Varren area of the Woodvale in Belfast on Monday morning.

Police said at the time Mr McCausland was killed by the UVF who believed he was a member of the rival LVF.

But detectives were not convinced he was a member of that organisation.

Last night the Press Association was told by an intermediary: "The LVF want to make it clear he did not belong to that group. He was not connected or linked and never has been.


Its interesting that Mr. McCausland's death is not receiving the same media frenzy that Mr. McCartney's did.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 03:59 AM

My pleasure, GUEST

'Ill informed' isn't the half of it, Keith.

They'll be picking us off from the rooftops, and you'll still be doing the Barry O 'whataboutery'

We've beaten the Straw Man to death on this thread, I think, Keith.

Whatabout the bluenoses being told to get the finger out?

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 02:36 AM

Keith, Regarding McCartney being "an ordinary Joe", I don`t know if you are aware that his friend, Brendan Devine has recently received 7 years in jail for armed robbery, birds of a feather. Sorry Tir Eoghain.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Brendy
Date: 14 Jul 05 - 01:21 AM

Thanks Ciaran

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 11:48 PM

Did you read any of the above posts, Keith?

I answered your question. Tiocfaidh answered your question. Brendy answered your question. Your MP answered your question, for crying out loud.

Let's go through this again, shall we?
(Tedious, eh?)

We are discussing getting Loyalist weapons off the streets.
You turned, what should have been an "I see your point..." kind of an answer to Brendy's "Loyalists blamed for city murder" link into "... well he deserved it, McCartney didn't because the papers say so... so to hell with the discussion on getting Loyalist weapons off the streets, I insist we concentrate on McCartney, cos he never harmed a fly...", kind of an answer.

What did your MP say, Keith?
What did Dave the Gnome's MP say?

UNEVEN REPORTING BY THE MEDIA, Keith.

Brendy reckoned you were being gratuitously thick (in the 'as two short planks' context, I would think...)
I might even have been tempted to agree with him in part.

I reckon however, that your desire for gossip outweighs your desire for truth, and in that regard it wouldn't really matter a damn how much over your head all this stuff is going.

You don't seem to read it.

Maybe if I told you to just join the dots instead, that may well appeal to the intellectual level that Brendy seemed to be attributing to you.

Things any clearer now?

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 07:05 PM

Steady on lads.
I just said that McCartney was an ordinary Joe so could not fairly be compared to the LVF guy.
Why the anger?
I also asked if the media reporting was innaccurate?
How have I offended?
Just put me right if I am ill informed please.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:54 AM

Go Brendy!

You're still the man!

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Brendy
Date: 13 Jul 05 - 08:29 AM

Keith?

One reason why I have stopped contributing to the BS section of this board is because of people like you who never seem to miss an opportunity to be gratuitously thick whenever the occasion demands.

I have spent long enough trying to appeal to your collective sense of justice, and I have dragged some of you kicking and screaming into empathic mode.

See me?
I'm a fucking musician.
I need your bullshit like the hole in the head some drunken cop tried to put into me a number of years ago.

Want me to share my 'inside knowledge'

Fuck off and experience it for yourself.

B.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 10:13 PM

Missed a hyperlink there... Brendy's Drumcree article is here: Click.

Line breaks courtesy of a Notepad copy & paste

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Tiocfaidh
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 09:57 PM

Therein lies the quandry, Keith.

On the one hand you have a fairly splintered enough Republican movement: There is the I.N.L.A, the Real I.R.A, (who planted the Omagh Bombs, remember), the

I.P.L.O., the I.R.S.P, the Continuity I.R.A. Group B., and the I.R.A. itself... all ideologically different to a large extent (though the focus of their struggle was, and

always has been the removal of the British presence on our mainland); only one of whom ever declared a proper ceasefire.

On the other hand you have a fairly splintered enough Loyalist movement; engaged in a territorial feud (Eastasia/Eurasia), ideologically united in their main

goal, however: the sectarian murder of Catholics... for NO OTHER REASON than for the fact that they are Catholics. That is their main goal, Keith.

Politically they have always been the majority. Why else would they try and intimidate as many of us as possible out of their country?
If more than 5 percent of the Catholic population had have been murdered in the North of Ireland, the figure would have been enough to warrant the term 'Genocide'
So let's get a few things in perspective, here, Keith.

I am reminded of a Jeremy Paxman (I'm almost certain it was him) interview with Oliver Tambo, the former leader in exile of the A.N.C., many years ago, where

Paxman chided Tambo for not being more in control of his Organisation. (... they were killing rich White folks at an incredible rate, in fairness...).
Tambo told Paxman that it was precisely because of the A.N.C's. very tight control of his Organisation that the whole place hadn't been totally overrun long

before now, like some sort of modern day Isandlwana.

As Hazel Blears MP has told Dave "We cannot force paramilitary organisations to decommission".
No truer words were ever spoken.
So why has the I.R.A. offered the hand of peace in this way?
To set the ball rolling, gentle readers!

The Loyalists only want to hold on to the ball, Keith.
You know that. Tam the man knows that (... somebody give him a wee nudge, there...). If Barry O doesn't know it by now, then he's an ignorant

twat; Augusto Pinochet up the thread there, even knows it, despite the otherwise total lack of brain-cells in describing this thread as 'Pro I.R.A.'

There may well come a time when the I.R.A. as such, are in the minority, though.
The longer this stalemate plays out, the more the voices of discontent within the ranks can have the tendency to surface.
The more that happens, the more anti-Agreement splinter groups there become.
Anyone ever taken that thought to it's logical conclusion?

Ireland has been down this road before, Keith. So has England.
Denying the Nationalist population their rights has always landed the British into trouble.
I have heard words like 'This should never be allowed to happen again' bandied around in the last number of days, in other contexts.
Is anyone reading the writing on the wall?

You see what we have here, Keith, is an long established establishment in the North of Ireland. You have a charasmatic figurehead who preaches fundementalism and

hatred of his fellow man. You have a biased British media who, at its most pitiful, will claim the Irishman as their own if he wins the Tour de France or appears in a

film with Samuel L. Jackson, but will return him back to us the minute he becomes No. 2, or shags somebody that isn't his wife.You have a Police Force which still

harks itself back to the good old days of the R.U.C. And of course you have the 'Reservists'. Where did they go, I wonder? These perfectly legitimate arms of Law

Enforcement in the North of Ireland?
Now, if you are the kind of person who forgets names like 'Windscale', well then perhaps I have been writing far too cryptically for you, all along.

I thank you though, Keith; Dave, especially for starting this particular ball rolling. Tory Boy, Gervase, and all who did take the trouble to mail their MP at my request,

fair play to all of you.
You asked the proper questions, Dave and Keith, but in my opinion, you were replied with platitudes.
That, of course, had nothing to do with you; it's just the way things are.... and unfortunately have been down through the years.

Odd, though, how a thread calling for Loyalist weapons to be taken off the streets, can turn into a "what about Robert McCartney" thread.

HAL-LO-OH?

This has been the 12th of July, folks; the Gregorian equivalent of the original Battle of The Boyne, and as the Curator has pointed out, the same message of HATE

was preached from the podiums at their gatherings. What they want the LVF and UVF to do, is to stop the internal feuding: i.e. to stop killing themselves. Indeed I

heard no mention of the grave need for the Unionists to get into dialogue to help sort out the 'current impasse' in any of the news reports that I have seen or heard.

Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness do it all the time, however.

I'll write that again...

GERRY ADAMS AND MARTIN McGUINNESS DO IT ALL THE TIME, HOWEVER

Gerry tried to talk to the Police today in Belfast, to get them to be a bit more gentle in their

handling of that PEACEFUL PROTEST, and the stewards and himself were water cannoned for their efforts.
Burntollet all over again... .... there's also a little mention of our old friends, the Continuity I.R.A in that piece, incidentally.
It was also interesting to hear Gerry say to the News media that it was a "sizeable job trying to manage the situation" in the face of unnecessary heavy-handedness by

our newly renamed, and therefore, squeaky clean, Police Service of Northern Ireland.

Anybody reading Oliver Tambo's words with respect to this situation?

Ian Paisley for his part, called for the "root and branch destruction" of the IRA and its

weapons, and said that loyalist paramilitaries must also cease their activities.

Cease their activities!
Nothing remotely rootish or branchish about that chastisement, now is there?
Vane and Cromwell's terminology doesn't apply to their own....

Read Brendy's article on the Orange Order, that I stumbled across: here, and you get an insight into the Unionist/Loyalist mindset. There's enough

material on this site for those who want to see the wood. Flamenco Ted obviously is quite happy with the trees; it gives him something to piss up against, while

he's tally ho-ing along with the rest of his priviliged-class mates.
Get yourselves educated in the subject you want to discuss, and lay off the I.R.A until you know and accept what the alternatives are.
If you don't, you are ignoring at least 70% of the problem, and then you would warrant the title of 'Ignorant Twat', just like Barry O, Augusto Pinoted (like,

how much do you trust the wanker you voted for?), and selected others have earned themselves.
Then you would have to put up with us putting you right all the time.

And you don't like us doing that, do you?
Being educated by people you see as beneath you?

Brucie, you have been an absolute gem, my man!
I thank you for your engagement in this, far flung from the situation as you geographically are. A gentleman if ever there was one!
Everyone else who has contributed to keep this thread alive, kudos also from the bottom of my heart.
If I can judge anything by your comments, future discussions on the North of Ireland should never be the same as they have been to date.

Tomorrow the Sham Fight is in Scarva.
Now there's pitiful....

I'm off to Donegal.... See you soon, Tír Chonaill!!

Tiocfaidh Ardara!

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: The Curator
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 05:25 PM

Tir Eoghain you wanted to hear the hate that poured out of their mouths in the various field meetings for the 12th today. If anyone in England said what they had said against another party there would have been uproar. Then again sure it's only Catholics the are offending, oh and by the way one did ask the UVF/LVF to not get into the game of murder as the IRA did,these groups mustn't have killed anyone before.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 02:19 PM

Read that link Brendy gave again, Keith "..He has been described as an associate of the Loyalist Volunteer Force."

McCartney has been described as having 'associations with Sinn Féin'

I'm sure the reporting on both men were impeccable, Keith.
How it is interpreted depends on how much the media drags the story out.
... and who runs the media whose reporting you swallow?

But there was no (and to date) has been no calls for Loyalist to disarm (as indeed you realised from the reply you received from your MP:

"In relation to your question,I understand the reason why more air-time in the media is being given to the decommissioning of arms by nationalist factions, is due to Sinn Fein's "inextricable links" to the IRA. This is in conjunction with their strong electoral mandate makes such a link especially intolerable. It should be unthinkable that a political party with such ties to a para-military organisation can wield such power.

Although it is true that the Progressive Unionist Party (PUP) is similarly linked to para-military groups such as the Ulster Volunteer Force, the PUP's situation there is clearly somewhat different- as they have just 1 member in the Northern Ireland Assembly compared to Sinn Fein's 24."

Ahh... so that's OK then, is it?
Gerry Adams and John Hume needn't have bothered heir arses way back in the old Downing Street Declaration days, in that case.

Weapons can be replaced, remember also.
Willingness and engagement in the Peace Process by the Unionists are the qualities that the Nationalist population want to see exuded. The 'handing in of the weapons' is meant to denote willingness.

Do you accept that because the PUP has only 1 member in the Assembly, they should be exempt from pressure to decommission?
When do you think the Loyalists should be as publicly pressurised in equal amounts?
When they have 2 members, 4, 6, 8,?
When should Peter Robinson and Ian Paisley call spades spades?

Do you accept the answer you got from your MP?

Cos really, Keith, it begs more questions than it addresses.

Yes indeed, Keith, Ted needs to be slapped into line good and proper every once in a while. You, however, could do with remembering that what's good for the goose, applies in equal measure for the gander.

No call for Loyalist weapons - no call for Republican weapons.

Or had you thought that Croppy had lain down?

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jul 05 - 12:48 PM

Brendy,
Who could argue with the sentiment "There can be no place in any peaceful society for actions like this where someone going about their work is gunned down in a cold blooded fashion.."

Whatever his day job, he was reported as being an active member of a paramilitary group, and Robert McCartney was reported not to be.

If the reporting on either man was wrong and you know better, please share your inside knowledge.


Tir Eoghain,
Stag hunting. Hertford. Good one.

Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: The Curator
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 01:24 PM

It might be a good idea to take them off the streets Tam to stop them using them on eachother, another two shot last night. Then again why the rush.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 05 - 02:46 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Tam the man
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 06:17 AM

Tir Eoghain,
Let's fortget this small thing, I am sorry if I have upset you. Its a pity the the terrorists on both sides of the 'troubles' can't do the same.

As I say that is the only way to true peace in Northern Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Tam the man
Date: 10 Jul 05 - 06:14 AM

Tir Eoghain, I was just giving my opinion, but you don't like to hear the other side do you.

snore

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 12:16 PM

And all the invidious Anti Irish threads over the years was just youse cunts taking the piss, eh Villa Lobos?

Tough titty Batman
Take it up the arse like a man, and go and hunt a few stags, for Chrissakes.

That would be more in your line

Tam???
Read the goddamn thread.

Either that, or go back to sleep

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Tam the man
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:48 AM

and that is why there isn't any real peace in the world because idiots like guest (go to back to sleep, Tam)

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Tam the man
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:34 AM

if you have nothing to say then do say anything at all.

Guest

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Tam the man
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 09:33 AM

oh very smart guest, another coward who is afraid to tell people their name

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 07:58 AM

go back to sleep Tam

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Tam the man
Date: 09 Jul 05 - 07:24 AM

As I said why just Loyalist weapons, why not all terrorist weapons off the streets now, not just the Loyalists ones, what about the republicans and natonilsts ones as well.
then you would have true peace

Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Brendy
Date: 08 Jul 05 - 01:24 PM

Well, Keith A, according to Peter Robinson (his MP), "There can be no place in any peaceful society for actions like this where someone going about their work is gunned down in a cold blooded fashion.."

Seems that puts him in the same classification of 'ordinary Joeness' as Bob McCartney, don't you think?

Now what was that you were saying about supposedly respectable politicians, again?

Give my head peace, Keith A, for God's sake....

B.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jul 05 - 04:32 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 05 - 03:26 AM

I am sure they will not be invited Brendy, but not because of which community he was from.
It seems that he was an activist in a paramilitary group, probably murdered by a rival group.

In contrast, Robert McCartney seemed to be an ordinary Joe who got in a fight with such a person, and supposedly respectable politicians became involved in the subsequent cover up.

His family were celebrated for the way they stood up to intimidation.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST,Brendy
Date: 03 Jul 05 - 12:39 PM

I wonder will the family of this guy get brought to the White House next Paddy's Day? Click Here

Just to re-iterate: ... in case anyone forgot

(about time someone started a thread like this)

B.

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From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 05 - 02:10 PM

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From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 09:29 PM

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From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 08:45 PM

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From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:47 PM

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From: alanabit
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 11:44 AM

Maybe, but certainly not anonymous.

Subject: RE: BS: Loyalists' Weapons - Off The Streets NOW
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jun 05 - 10:22 AM

"If you click onto a couple of 'members' names in this thread, you will notice two things: 1) They only joined very recently. 2)They have only posted to, or started rather lopsided, invidious political threads, all apertaining to Northern Ireland." flamenco ted
Date: 24 May 05 - 12:14 PM

Jesus.... you're gullible

REFRESH!!!!!!