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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Mar 10 - 12:16 AM Well thank any powers that be for cornbread! On this thread we have folks from the left, the right, and many points in between. We have come together here in agreement on this one issue........Conrad is a dingbat! As often happens with his posts, he gets carried away trying to make a point and then loses it in a massive outpouring of babbling nonsense. So Conrad, sit back and relax, score yourself some cornbread, and be joyous in the fact that you have brought all these diverse people together to some degree. If that was indeed your entire point, well done........and don't say anything to screw it up! I implore you to let well enough alone and control yourself. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: ichMael Date: 21 Mar 10 - 10:35 PM Yes, that original post is quite...original. What's your point? Politics and music don't mix? Or they do mix? Sorry, genuinely confused. But you say, Folk music is probably bigger than it was fifty or more years ago however everything is now bigger. That's true. Take Bruce Springsteen, for example. He's kind of a folkie. Done a bunch of acoustic stuff. And he was traipsing around a while back doing concerts for a Kenyan politician. Springsteen was singing "Born in the U.S.A." to every pair of ears that would listen, and he was singing on behalf of a man named Barry Sotero. The guy got elected and breaks the law regularly now by putting his signature on important documents. So music and politics can be a bad thing, if that's what you're wondering about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 21 Mar 10 - 10:24 PM So it looks like the battle continues. All the reason why we need more Pete Seegers and Smothers Brothers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: artbrooks Date: 21 Mar 10 - 09:23 PM The richest man in the world is a Latin American. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Mar 10 - 06:13 PM How has it worked out for Iraqis, Latin Americans, and Afghans? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 21 Mar 10 - 06:02 PM So how did the battle against capitalism and imperialism work out for you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: akenaton Date: 21 Mar 10 - 05:52 PM Always found ole Pete a tad patronising meself! The sixties were not just populated by Love Y'all hippies. Some of us were out on the streets, fighting, not name calling like the pussies of today. Our enemies were Capitalism and Imperialism, we had an American Nuclear Submarine base just a few miles away......we kept ourselves busy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 21 Mar 10 - 05:20 PM I'm with Spaw on this - I really cannot see the point Conrad is trying to make, other than he doesn't care for Pete Seeger. So??? Because Seeger sings songs from the left, you do not want to consider his performances "concerts"? ALL songs have a point of view. If you do not agree with that point, it is your choice. I continue to love Pete Seeger concerts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: artbrooks Date: 21 Mar 10 - 05:20 PM Sadler's songs were pretty much apolitical (not to mention kinda dumb), and I never heard that he himself ever belonged to any movement at all. The fact that someone was in the military and served in Vietnam indicates nothing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Mar 10 - 05:04 PM Burl Ives may have had political views....but I find little or no evidence of them in his musical performances. If you want views from the right wing in song, you pretty much have to go to a few individuals in country music for that...plus Barry Sadler (ballad of the Green Berets). It's a shame Ronald Reagan never played folk music, eh? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Bettynh Date: 21 Mar 10 - 05:01 PM Pete Seeger and the Smothers Brothers hardly constitute a political party. Do you have any idea what was happening in this nation and in the world in 1968? I don't remember any music at all from the KKK or John Birch Society. Just who were the musical opposition? Should we support Tea Party hootenannys? The cornbread sounds great, though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: akenaton Date: 21 Mar 10 - 04:53 PM They just LOVE cornbread n' molasses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Jim Dixon Date: 21 Mar 10 - 04:51 PM Conrad: Are you trying to say that Seeger et al. were TOO political and that's why folk music is less popular today than it might have been? That too many people who otherwise would have been folk music fans were turned off by his politics? And that's a bad thing? Also, you refer to "others who did the same thing in the first half of the 20th century" who were on the opposite side from Seeger and presumably conservative—but I have no idea who those people are/were. Can you give some examples? Burl Ives comes to mind, but he was far less political than Seeger, wasn't he? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 04:45 PM Oh I dunno'........If they like cornbread then what the hell? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: akenaton Date: 21 Mar 10 - 04:43 PM Don't feed the trolls! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 04:42 PM That doesn't matter at all.....The question is which would eat the cornbread. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Mar 10 - 04:33 PM Conrad, Joan Baez has always been quite forthright about describing herself as primarily a politician who just happens to also be a singer. Her concerts are definitely crafted to present her political point of view which is based primarily on nonviolence and working for peace. (that would be considered "leftist" in some quarters, but it would probably be considered "rightist" in China) She is not censoring other points of view in presenting only her own views in a concert, she's simply presenting her own views, that's all. She'd be censoring other points of view if she got elected and helped pass a law prohibiting views other than her own. Expression of one's own ideas is not censorship of other people's ideas. If Anne Coulter were a singer, she could give musical concerts presenting her political point of view. Alas! She is not. ;-D Therefore she is limited to talking on TV or radio and writing books and articles to present her point of view. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: artbrooks Date: 21 Mar 10 - 04:29 PM I do believe that the OP does deserve an honest answer to his questions - not his conjectures and musings, perhaps, but certainly to his questions. So, here goes: yes, no, nothing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Mar 10 - 04:23 PM The best thing about corn bread is, you can eat it. I mention this merely because I once heard about a pig who tried building his house out of the stuff. It didn't work out too well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Greg F. Date: 21 Mar 10 - 02:55 PM Great- Return of the Piss Ant. Probably visited on me for my sins... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Mar 10 - 02:46 PM Take a tortilla, spoon a generous quantity of guacamole acrose the diameter, then fold the "wings" over, sort of like a wrap. Absolutely delicious snack. I love guacamole! And it's good for you! The big challenge is to keep the guacamole from squirting out the back of the rolled up tortilla onto your shirt-front. A bit of mariachi music in the background. Or, perhaps, not to get political, but maybe some Spanish Civil War songs. . . . *#2 PHEASANT* (The proud bird with its head up its tail) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: pdq Date: 21 Mar 10 - 02:31 PM The Mexican cornbread recipe is a bit heavy on the eggs, depending on how large they are. Two "jumbo" eggs are just about right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: michaelr Date: 21 Mar 10 - 02:21 PM No -- the dark side is personified by Ann Coulter, whose spectral visage greeted me at the top of this thread. Shudder... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:59 PM Damn Bill.....WE both agree with pdq.....Are we going over to the dark side? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Bill D Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:30 PM "Sierra Nevada Pale Ale... " Oh, my...a landmark! I have to AGREE with pdq on something. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: pdq Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:22 PM With San Miguel Dark or Sierra Nevada Pale Ale... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:19 PM WOW!!!! pdq, we may disagree on a lot of stuff but I love Mexican style cornbread......well any cornbread actually........and that looks like a great recipe. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:16 PM Yeah, I've always been happy to go fuck myself! And you? No....wait.....I mean are YOU happy to go fuck yourself.........Now as to Conrad...........Okay, let's put it this way.......... Dear Conrad, Are you wanting to discuss Seeger and his leftist politics? Your magnanimous acceptance of everyone's politics? Something about when folk music was all for the right or something at one point? Seeger should not have staged concerts that were really rallies? You disagree with the rally concept unless it is publicized as such? Music is a powerul force but it should be only used equally by all sides? Folk music is smaller than it was? Folk music is bigger than it was? Folk music grew because of the leftist slant? Folk music got smaller because of the leftist slant? All of the above? None of the above? Some of the above as well as the role of aphids in the lives of gardeners? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: pdq Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:15 PM Mexican CornbreadIngredients 1 cup butter, melted 1 cup white sugar 4 eggs 1 (15 ounce) can cream-style corn 1/2 (4 ounce) can chopped green chile peppers, drained 1/2 cup shredded Monterey Jack cheese 1/2 cup shredded Cheddar cheese 1 cup all-purpose flour 1 cup yellow cornmeal 4 teaspoons baking powder 1/4 teaspoon salt Directions 1) Preheat oven to 300 degrees F (150 degrees C). Lightly grease a 9x13 inch baking dish. 2) In a large bowl, beat together butter and sugar. Beat in eggs one at a time. Blend in cream corn, chiles, Monterey Jack and Cheddar cheese. 3) In a separate bowl, stir together flour, cornmeal, baking powder and salt. Add flour mixture to corn mixture; stir until smooth. Pour batter into prepared pan. 4) Bake in preheated oven for 1 hour, until a toothpick inserted into center of the pan comes out clean. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:04 PM Oh, I see. Well, I have a question for you too. Do you like sex and travel? ;-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 01:01 PM That wan't abuse.....It was a question. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Mar 10 - 12:55 PM What is this f*ckin' unhealthy obsession you have with Conrad, Spaw? Can you live without leaping up like Pavlov's dog to shower him with personal abuse every time he posts here or would that simply be too much to ask? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Mar 10 - 12:48 PM Your barely readable dried up stream of unconsciousness style makes me wonder if your mother had any children that lived............. I'm not sure which of the points you are failing to make is the one that this thread might or might not be about but I will defend unto death your right to spout gibberish. Thanks for posting......................... Spaw |
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Subject: BS: Seeger Smothers Party- Left=right? From: *#1 PEASANT* Date: 21 Mar 10 - 11:24 AM Just what I needed is to subject my brain to a special program done a few years ago on Pete Seeger. I had seen it when it came out but this time it was a fundraiser for PBS with lots of breaks for thought. Here are some observations. What do you think? Bear in mind that I believe that Pete Seeger said and did many wonderful things and that he has the same freedom of expression to be accorded to anyone. 1. Seeger and Smothers et al. seem to appreciate how to use music in politics—a powerful force. They used it for their issues and positions. (Nothing wrong with that.) However, they seem to be simply the left flip side of others who did the same thing in the first half of the 20th century. Same process but different side of the issue. (I happen to agree with them but that does not make it any different a process) 2. Under the guise of "concerts" the Seeger-Smothers party spokesmen staged political rallies where they limited the slant of the songs and discussions to their own side of the issue. (That's censorship.) These were not concerts but primarily political rallies with music. Granted not all the songs may have been political and a study should be done however it is apparent that there was generally a left slant. Yes Seeger may have done some concerts where his point of view did not dominate. Yes he had the right to do so as it was his freedom. 3. Rather than being considered a folksinger/writer as the program did he should also be considered a political organizer and the rallies should not be called concerts. 4. Yes Seeger can be considered a patriot. All politicos claim to represent their country. Nothing wrong with being a member of the communist party either or associating with them. I am glad that the documentary pointed out that his mind had changed. So here we find the American aspect of the folk revival manipulated by political activism. Fifty or more years later we seem to find ourselves with the progress wound down. Every other college kid does not carry a guitar and folk music is absent from ordinary television where it had a significant presence earlier. Folk music is probably bigger than it was fifty or more years ago however everything is now bigger. I think part of the problem was the over identification indeed the possession of folk music by one set of political ideologies and then also its attachment to the spinning wheel of age set commercial marketing. (Yes Seeger was as I am anti commercialization of folk music a good point.) So WWW what went wrong? More than politics though. Conrad |
