BS: Militant Atheism Threads

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 03:54 PM

I have guitars I hardly play but I used to play them. I know it is a waste. But why give them away or sell them at a loss to someone else who won't have time to play them?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 03:43 PM

Maybe it isn't a fart after all? Just something that sounds like one. Doesn't make sense in any known language anyway. It does seem to leave a strange odour.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 03:28 PM

Oh I don't know. I have many friends through the folk clubs and enjoyed the lifestyle. Not so much now I suppose but hey ho. I still get out, still writing and performing.

I used to have a Martin D41 that someone had put a circular sticker on the belly and it cost me £200 to get it sorted.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 02:35 PM

Musket, I contend that it is your aim and lack of context that is to blame for your misfires.

I agree that pimply English dogsnoggers pretending to be Woody Guthrie is indeed a deplorable state of affairs.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 01:52 PM

"guitars are tools, not to be admired but to be GODDAmn played"

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you darling.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 01:45 PM

Any way you shape or phrase it muskett darling..the buffoons completely sanatised and degenerated the tradition.

Jack, I did have hopes for you, but the remark about Woodys guitar was pretty crass..guitars are tools, not to be admired but to be GODDAmn played!!!!!!!!!!!1or are you like the rest having them hanging on the walls?

I have told you before Mr small brain gnomet..I am way to many for you..the smell is, was and will be forever the smell of your unadulterated BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUullshit

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 10:43 AM

It is in homage to Woody Guthrie that the sandal wearing, fair isle sweater adorned British folk club regulars used to put such things on their guitars. You could buy them as stickers on trade stands at folk festivals. Singing about saving the world at night probably made up for having to stock take pencil sharpeners during the day.

Sorry, I keep making the mistake of aiming my posts above your head. In this case , a few thousand miles to the east too.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 09:49 AM

This Machine Kills Fascists

"cheap catalogue guitar" what is wrong with you? Woody played a CF Martin hand crafted parlor guitar given to him by a benefactor he happened to be sleeping with at the time. He was the only person at the time to deface a beautiful piece of craftsmanship that way. It was hardly fashionable. When he sang about hard time workin men it was because he was one, both as an advertising sign paintin hard working man and as a protest song writin, radio show having singing and playing for the hoboes hard working man.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 08:00 AM

Yo! See you Wednesday. Don't be late.......

Like the people labelled as atheists, my lectures are firmly in the real world alright, but don't forget my stance, both in the silly world of Mudcat and back on planet earth, that empathy and compassion are a key factor in rehabilitation from healthcare problems.

I suppose that is one of my little anger snippets when taking five and seeing what bollocks Mudcat is waffling on about. I get angry when God botherers hijack the perfectly respectable use of faith to give alms and support, by rattling about fantasy. In the c21, it is possible to use faith as a crutch without some idiot saying faith is hand in hand with judgement.

It most certainly isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: GUEST,Seaham Cemetry
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 07:17 AM

Im an atheist. Just about everyone I know is, although some might put C of E on medical forms. I am a clinician and some consent forms ask your religion. When I offer the services of the chaplaincy, many look at me gone out.

There seems to be a big difference between putting C of E on forms and being religous.

I'd ask Musket for clarification but looking at my diary, by coincidence, I am attending one of his lectures later this week, (small world.) I doubt the subject includes anything as irrelevant as religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 05:49 AM

Leave her alone. She likes me.... Mind you, she has it wrong about my willy. It's enormous. xxx

I loved getting involved in the folk scene many years ago, and yes, it was slightly surreal to see a social worker stick a finger in his ear and drone on about how hard it was down the pit. I didn't always stay till the end on account of having to be er.. down the pit early the next morning.

I see comparisons in religion. It is fashionable to find god in later life as it was fashionable to scrawl "this machine kills fascists" on a cheap catalogue guitar many years ago. That many people still turn up hoping that clever lyrics will change the world is rather nice, although the society many comment on from such perspectives is more sophisticated than they think, or sometimes comprehend.

Whether you sing on a Sunday about Jesus or sing in the week about reed cutting in Norfolk from your corner of the bar in Barnsley, it has parallels.

Mind you, I have yet to hear a retired fitter in Barnsley say he can speak on behalf of dead reed cutters, yet Christians seem to tell me the mind of Jesus. So not too many parallels eh?

Hang on. Just for Keith. Using his interpretation of atheist. There are more atheists than Christians in the western world. Full stop.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 05:16 AM

I can hear someone farting again.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 04:25 AM

Nearly 300 posts on this thread and you lot of of unspeakable nomark posers are still banging out your half baked theories and half digested facts and figures about the existence or not of the magical man; question is apart from you clowns who really cares?

You are like the self satisfied middle class hominids and telegraph and guardian readers, who infested our folk clubs in the sixties and seventies singing and talking to your self's kidding on you were preserving our culture, when all you wanted to do was sing at each other on a Friday about the honest horny handed sons of toil; polish your pipe, beard, small penis, Arran sweater, and preserve your rosy cosy property owning class..in truth the real working class frightened you all to death.

When will you lot get a grip and take up something meaningful to fill your mumpty wumpty ginger pussy empty lives.?

I verily believe half of you was bullied at school, have very small penises/brains, loud voices,small penises, big red cars, small penises are hen pecked or have very small insignificant jobs/penises were you don't have to much to say or do.

I see the unspeakable gnome creature has developed his cut and paste skills..that is something I suppose?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 04:14 AM

You have gone from saying most are believing in a Christian God

I never said any such thing Musket.
I just showed that you were wrong to state,

" militant atheist is an insult to the majority of people in the western world. More people are rational than keep an imaginary friend "

No twisting from me Musket.
You are the one twisting what I said.
I said you were wrong to claim that atheists were a majority in the western world.
You were.
Again.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 03:32 AM

Err.. Twisting again are we Keith?

You have gone from saying most are believing in a Christian God to wondering if there is a life spirit of some description. Very clever, but insulting to the intelligence of most on Mudcat.

80% of people in the Western world believe in God?

No wonder we call it the God delusion..

Ha Ha Ha!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 03:22 AM

Me: Where the irrational means doing something that harms none it is fine. Where the irrational means killing, maiming and torturing those who do not share your foibles it is wrong.

Jack: I agree completely Dave. Skiing is more dangerous than church.

We don't need to be impolite and unkind do we? Just let you show yourself up.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 01:38 AM

The "general population" mostly believe that there is a "spirit, God, or life force".
In Eu only 20% do not.
In US even fewer.

You were wrong to say that atheists are a majority in the Western world.
You are wrong again Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 01:28 AM

What is an accepted definition? A child doesn't believe there is no God, and doesn't believe there is till they are told a pack of fibs.

Do you honestly think that the general population believe there were supernatural people walking the earth a couple of thousand years ago, or that we should be grateful for a boil on the arse?




Jack. Flights to The Alps for skiing may well be bad for the planet. Flights anywhere are for that matter. I wouldn't know these days. Only package holidays fly to nearby airports to my knowledge. Ok if that's all your budget allows but some of us take the Eurostar. Relatively better for the old planet what?

A bit rich coming from someone living in the most wasteful country going when it comes to carbon footprint? When we went skiing in Wyoming , Delta thought it appropriate to fly us via Georgia.... Then Utah.....

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Feb 14 - 01:06 AM

Atheists do not "believe" that there is no God.

Yes they do.
That is the accepted definition, and even in the Western world, they are a minority.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 04:04 PM

A 2004 BBC poll showed the number of people in the U.S. who don't believe in a god to be about 9–10%.[20] A 2008 Gallup poll showed that a smaller 6% of the U.S. population believed that no god or universal spirit exists.

Gosh, this is boring. Talk about not asking the right questions. Atheists do not "believe" that there is no God. Atheists assess evidence and reach conclusions, just like scientists do. Scientists do not "believe" theories. They weigh up evidence for and against and reach a measured conclusion. So here are some examples. I spend £1 on the lottery every Saturday (a ticket is two quid now so I share with a mate of mine). The chances of our winning The Big One are just shy of 14 million to one. Of course, I might win smaller amounts, set up to keep me sweet and buying tickets, but I've known that all along. It is not irrational to buy a £1 lottery ticket once a week because I'm fully aware of the minimal chance of winning that Big One, and I can afford a £1 flutter, in full knowledge of the odds, once a week. As I type this, I have a glass of wine in front of me that cost me about £1.50. Just thought I'd mention that, Wackers, in order to provide you with the perspective on these things that you clearly lack. Turning back to your God, Wacko, in whom you profess to "believe", tell me what the odds are that he actually exists. I don't know about you, but I calculate odds based on evidence. I know that my odds of winning the jackpot (I feel a joke coming on...) are 14,000,000 to one. So let's look at the odds of your God's existing. Let's look at the evidence...

...Oh dear. All we have are dodgy old texts penned by desert dwellers, deranged people who claim to have had visions or "witness" experiences, tradition, ceremony, the sayings of holy men, edicts from religions' elders and a vague feeling that all this religious art, architecture and music "must have something in it", and a warm and woolly glow that you get from turning out to church on Sunday among your "religious community" wearing your Sunday best. Well, none of any of that adds up to evidence. So at least, unlike you and your God, I have odds to go with my lottery ticket. You couldn't even put a figure on your odds, but one thing is certain: your God's existence is almost infinitely more improbable than my jackpot chances. So less of the castigating if you don't mind. My lottery ticket might well be an almost certain waste of money (though 25% does go to charity...), but your belief in the Power and the Glory is the most irrational phenomenon ever dreamed up by the human race!

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 04:01 PM

I agree completely Dave. Skiing is more dangerous than church. It is expensive, flights to the alps cause carbon pollution. Many things that people do involve some level of potential and/or immediate harm. It is not rational to single out religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: GUEST,concerened
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 03:58 PM

Put lipstick on a pig it is still a pig...discuss..

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 03:11 PM

It is human nature to be rational about some things and not about others. Where the irrational means doing something that harms none it is fine. Where the irrational means killing, maiming and torturing those who do not share your foibles it is wrong. What is difficult to understand about that?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 02:32 PM

Yes obviously the rational ones are the adults who risk life and limb to scare themselves for fun.

And the ones who piss away their money on a 1 in 14,000,000 chance because that is "real odds"

and of course the alleged atheists who support the church even though you claim they have no doubt that its Teachings are false. Yes that is rational.

Keith cited polls of people TELLING THE POLLSTER WHAT THEY BELIEVE, and you claim to know what these people believe better than the poll results. That is not rational. I'll accept that religious people people are not all completely rational. But I won't accept your claim that people with your set of beliefs and values, whatever you choose to call them are any more rational. That would be irrational.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 01:49 PM

Even if you do not include the Canadian surveys, it is a fact that atheists are very much a minority in the "western world."

You were wrong again Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Musket
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 01:40 PM

Nothing delusional about skiing. Good entertaining fun. I enjoy jet skis for that matter. I say that my hobbies are not delusional. Why? Because everything about them is real. The risks are real, the fun is based on actually doing it rather than having faith that I might enjoy it in a next life.

The odds in the gambling bit are against you of course, but there are odds. Real odds and people with permatans and pampered poodles to prove you can win.

You see, it's a bit like Keith saying that lots of people are religious. The CofE itself has pointed out that for every parish, less than 3% of the population go to church. Even more so, of those who go, not every one believes in it. People go for cultural, get of the house, cuppa afterwards or to keep the peace with the family.

Mmm. No wonder Keith needs to find spurious Canadian small sample surveys, about as unbiased as drug company sponsored ones on drugs....

To say that atheists (whatever they are but I shall accept "rational" for the purpose of this) are in the minority is perhaps the biggest delusion within your delusion. I live very close to a very famous church with connections as good as it gets, home of The Wesleys. American tourists flock in their coaches to see the home of Methodism, to see the town church where their father preached and John Wesley preached on his fathers grave. Heady stuff.

They took the pews out last year and put chairs out. Out of a catchment of 12,000 people, about 20 turn up for services. Three of that twenty tell me they do to humour their better half. When the church was being renovated last year, they shared services with the Methodists. Still nowhere near full between them. This being No.1 in Methodist church terms... The only time I see mass faith is a minute before the whistle in a cup match.

Yeah, so rational people are in the minority.. About as credible as everything else you write Keith, you silly fool. Do you honestly think religion is relevant to normal people? Enjoy it, but don't assume we are missing something. We don't even notice how quiet the towns are when you thank him for your failures, because the pub next door to our village church gets far more in on a Sunday.

Endorphins? I'll release them when I get a drive in Mrs Musket's Merc SLK AMG, thank you very much. I doubt a drafty church with a smelly old tramp at the back and sanctimonious clappy happy prigs at the front will give me a stiffy if it's all the same to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 12:32 PM

Musket,

No one who understands the odds plays the lottery or gambles against a house (or lottery commission) that makes money.

The more you gamble the more likely that you will lose your money. You are paying a very high fee to do the tedious chores of pulling levers and scratching tickets. There is nothing rational about deluding oneself into giving away hard earned money with nothing but the endorphins from getting small amounts of it back in return. You money in the collection plate pays for music, charity, and rent for the a building.

Likewise, skiing and riding jet skis are irrational wasteful acts. One who risks their body and wastes their money to put them selves in danger for no more reward than adrenaline and the endorphins released when the danger is over, is committing a self-deluded and irrational act.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 12:17 PM

Still waiting for something to happen? You might appreciate this cartoon.

Nah, sorry. Still don't get it. Not waiting for something to happen and cannot relate the current argument to the cartoon. I guess we must be on different wavelengths. Nothing wrong with that as long as you don't try to make me think like you.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:44 AM

You said "I'll keep pointing out that militant atheist is an insult to the majority of people in the western world. More people are rational than keep an imaginary friend "

In fact, atheists are very much a minority in the western world.
You were wrong again.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:40 AM

" The Canadian Ipsos Reid poll released September 12, 2011 entitled "Canadians Split On Whether Religion Does More Harm in the World than Good," sampled 1,129 Canadian adults and came up 30% who do not believe in a god"

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Musket
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:39 AM

Yes I can Keith. After all, you can google my post, which is usually good enough for you. After all, as you keep saying, google never lies.

I'll tell you what I mean by rational. The odds of winning The National Lottery here are 14,000,000/1. Not good odds but still odds.

The odds of any of the umpteen thousand religions getting it right are almost infinite. I say almost on the basis of you never know. But you can't put any odds to it, whilst buying lottery tickets is calculable. Therefore rational.

I say religion is irrational because it is man made mind control freakery and make believe fairy tales. No malice there, just plain fact. If you believe in it, you are missing a vital piece of your intelligence makeup. Again, no problem with that just so long as you don't drag others down to your level of superstition.

Don't be embarrassed by it. It is a delusion shared by many. On your side of the pond Jack, It is so prevalent that politicians have to pretend they are shallow too if they want to be elected. It is a huge problem. We see people killing each other to prove their god is better than someone else's.

Rather than have a pop at those intelligent enough not to want to play, you should be grateful that the real world gets on with trying to improve society rather than think some fictitious God will provide.

If you get something out of it, great. If you think others might, try pausing before pushing it down throats.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:37 AM

These figures say you are wrong again Musket.

"A 2010 Eurostat Eurobarometer poll, revealed that 51% of European Union citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 26% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 20% that "they do not believe there is a spirit, God, nor life force". Results were varied widely between different countries, on the one end 94% of Maltese respondents stating that they believe in God and on the other end only 16% of the people of Czech Republic stating the same."

"A 2004 BBC poll showed the number of people in the U.S. who don't believe in a god to be about 9–10%.[20] A 2008 Gallup poll showed that a smaller 6% of the U.S. population believed that no god or universal spirit exists.[37] The most recent ARIS report, released March 9, 2009, found in 2008, 34.2 million Americans (15.0%) claim no religion, of which 1.6% explicitly describes itself as atheist (0.7%) or agnostic (0.9%), nearly double the previous 2001 ARIS survey figure of 0.9%.[38] The highest occurrence of "nones", according to the 2008 ARIS report, reside in Vermont, with 34% surveyed.[39] According to a study conducted by Gallup in May 2010, 16% of Americans declared they have no religious affiliation."

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:20 AM

I'll keep pointing out that militant atheist is an insult to the majority of people in the western world. More people are rational than keep an imaginary friend

Can you support that estimate Musket?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 11:12 AM

Musket, You are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative or snooty.

"Whacko and the worm. Got a ring about it"

I've given up on Steve Shaw. He has shown that he is incapable of understanding those very simple instructions. After all one can't blame a dog for barking. Dogs, don't understand noise laws.

I see that Jack Blandiver, has no trouble using the word "atheist."

Its just a word to categorize people with no belief.

I think both you and Jack have made assertions that you cannot back up with evidence.

"More people are rational than keep an imaginary friend " Would you care to define what you mean by rational? Lots of self described atheists blow on dice and buy lottery tickets.

"100% certain of the fact that even though there was no religion 50,000 years ago,"

You have no way of knowing that and anthropologists and archeologists on the whole appear to believe otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 10:50 AM

I'm submitting a new entry for m*sturbation to Roger's Profanosaurus: "wacking the worm".

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 05:03 AM

Keep it going, I'm writing a script for an updated "The Odd Couple." Whacko and the worm. Got a ring about it.

You see, it is to do with me because superstitious people insist on trying to influence society. I'm part of society so if it's all the same to you, I'll keep pointing out that militant atheist is an insult to the majority of people in the western world. More people are rational than keep an imaginary friend complete with weekly team meetings so the term remains derogatory.

Most people neither could nor would want to define theism. Something to do with theology, that's the best I can come up with. But don't ask me to define theology.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 16 Feb 14 - 04:56 AM

An Atheist is akin a Non-Smoker.

Not smoking is the default position. No one was born smoking, just as no one was born believing. We have Religion and Smoking thrust upon us along with so much other bullshit by a society that then has the temerity to define us in the negative for acting positively. That said, of course, a Non-Smoker is a far nobler creature than a Smoker; just is the Atheist enjoys the good clean air in the absence of the foetid stench of Religion.

In the beginning, there was no God, and no religion, and no smoking; just the Cosmos and our natural born inquisitiveness that has persevered these past 50,000 years to understand it. From Göbekli Tepe, to Stonehenge, to the Large Hadron Collider - it's all of a piece, and maybe one day we'll get there. Clean air for all, with no religion to foul things up.

The essence of Atheism is not the ABSENCE of belief per se, but the presence of KNOWING. It takes its place in a Godless universe 100% certain of the fact that even though there was no religion or smoking 50,000 years ago, our distant ancestors were also naturally born as Atheists and Non-Smokers.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 07:36 PM

Jack did ask kindly.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 06:58 PM

Very well then Musket, if you have no interest, truck or trade with religion, would you kindly, please shut the fuck up about it?

Hey, Wackers, you are free to be anything you want EXCEPT unkind, impolite, argumentative or snooty. Know what I mean? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 04:50 PM

On many topics, you being speechless would not be a bad thing. :0-)

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 04:33 PM

Very well then Musket, if you have no interest, truck or trade with religion, would you kindly, please shut the fuck up about it?

Or if you chose, go on being asensible.

From now on when I say "atheist" on this forum. I am only referring to the people who call themselves that or are comfortable being called that. OK?

I am sure that no one on this forum who is capable of being "indoctrinated" that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Musket
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 04:30 PM

Antiquated beliefs.

Wow....




















I'm fucking speechless.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Musket
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 02:44 PM

How's about calling them people?

What do you call people who don't support a particular football team?

If religion has nothing to do with you in any sense, how can you be a, b or even c theist?

I'll tell you what you tell the child. You say that when you grow up, after careful consideration, you may decide to join a religion or you may not. If you decide to, you will be known as a Christian, Muslim, Rastafarian, Pastafarian or whatever. But if you don't join a religion, you aren't called anything from a religious perspective.

Kids deserve better than indoctrination, at any level.

Your definition is clumsy, regardless of source. I don't disbelieve in stamp collecting and I don't have a lack of belief in philatelists or their cause. It just isn't anything to do with me. Ditto religion.



Out of interest, are you carrying a cross for the worm or is he carrying yours? Has Keith found out which tree the cross is made from yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 02:30 PM

Akenaton I think that would be flattering ourselves to think it was all about hating you and me.

I think we perhaps are surrogates for phenomena in the greater world and by railing against us they are railing against, the church or whatever.

I would hate to see how some would react if they were to actually encounter a "raging homophobe" In my opinion you are simply a person with antiquated beliefs. They certainly share a very rare perception of the word "raging."

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 12:14 PM

Exactly so Jack, but these people are not interested in discussing "theism" or "atheism", they are here to attack socially conservative views......they are "liberals" of the very worst kind.

They dislike the church because it opposes homosexual "marriage", they dislike me because I care about finding a solution to the epidemic of sexual disease affecting male homosexuals and I don't care who's agenda is upset in the process, .....so they hate me
They dislike you because you want to see civil discussion of controversial subjects unhindered on this forum.....Free civil discussion is their greatest enemy,... so they hate you.
They dislike Keith, because he is a stickler for accuracy in debate.
He is perfectly correct, if we all told a pack of lies and obfuscated over issues, we might as well all stop posting.....so they hate Keith.


The irony is, that they continually call us "hateful", while it is quite obvious that all the "hatred" comes from them.....their language and their vicious abuse tells everyone what they really are.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 10:15 AM

In case anyone is interested when I say "atheism" I am referring to this definition.

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun
noun: atheism

    1.
    disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 09:39 AM

Musket,

In a discussion about religion or the lack thereof, for example a comparative religion class, when a kid puts up his hand and says, "What about people who don't believe in God? What are they called?" It is useful when the instructor has a more concise answer than... "Well in the UK there is Ian, and 15 million other people. Here are their names."

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 15 Feb 14 - 04:07 AM

The worm isn't a raving homophobe? You haven't been reading Lewis Carroll books again have you?

In order to be theist, with theism, atheist or without theism, or even anti or pro theism, you need to have a view.

I could use google of course to see what theism means and then give you my view, but judging by Keith A Hole of Hertford's track record, googling isn't always the key to reality. I doubt I have the definition in my head. What's more, as I'm not a member, I can't see why I should. I am aware of the word atheist as a term of contempt used by those supporting organised religions and I note it is rarely used by those who have personal rather than strength in numbers belief.

Am I without theism? I assume stamp collectors have a term they use for those who haven't collected many stamps yet, but I doubt I would use my score of zero in order to give myself such a label.

So I'm not an atheist. I'm Musket. The idiot behind Musket isn't an atheist either. I hear the term irreligious and wonder if that is a comfortable jacket to wear? But again, on the basis that religion is and can only be existing in the minds of those who believe it, or selected parts of it, which makes me smile, I don't think I can lay claim to any label one way or another. The pigs on the farm over the way can't be classed as having faith (two main reasons spring to mind) so why should I have a label?

Indeed why should that label be extended to include an adjective on the basis of me pointing out religion is delusional if it contradicts observed and proven reality?

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 09:23 PM

>>>"Wacko"

Ake, you knew bloody well what you were doing with those quote marks, and, as for you, Wacko, you are defending the indefensible. The indefensible in this case being a rabid homophobe. So what conclusion about your own predilections are we to come to, Wacko? At the very least you are in sympathy with the disgraceful outpourings of a very nasty homophobe. So are you a homophobia apologist? Or worse? <<<

Excuse me for not being stupid and arrogant enough claim to be able to read Akenaton's mind, or Newton's for that matter.

Whacko, is a complement right? You are saying that I am like you! That is sweet of you. Happy Valentines day buddy! Please keep in mind that even if Ake were a "rabid homophobe" which he isn't, it is unkind and impolite for you to say so.

Subject: RE: BS: Militant Atheism Threads
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 14 - 08:38 PM

Remind me to put speech marks around everything I don't like. So from now on, in my posts, you might observe the following:

The "Tory" party

the "Archbishop of Canterbury"

the "Pope"

The secretary of state for education "Michael Gove"

"Catholic" schools

the former presidential candidate "Sarah Palin"

the "Temperance" League

"Sheffield" Wednesday

"pete"

"Wacko"

Ake, you knew bloody well what you were doing with those quote marks, and, as for you, Wacko, you are defending the indefensible. The indefensible in this case being a rabid homophobe. So what conclusion about your own predilections are we to come to, Wacko? At the very least you are in sympathy with the disgraceful outpourings of a very nasty homophobe. So are you a homophobia apologist? Or worse?