BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 08:49 PM

"I have barked orders before and will again if needed"

Did anyone listen?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 07:00 PM

getting people who have been infected to treatment facilities much more quickly

There are no treatment facilities for Ebola. All medical staff can do is act as jailers for the dying.

There are very good reasons for hiding from the medical "care" system with a disease like this (as there were during the First World cholera epidemics of the 19th century).

What's needed is some kind of cheap portable containment that can be taken to people's homes to reduce the risk of spread without subjecting people's relatives to a lonely death in a concentration camp.

Start with martial law. Set up quarantine areas.

The sort of thinking that the mg's of the Middle Ages used when burning Jews to stop the plague.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Mrr at work
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 06:29 PM

It is unclear how airborne it can be, see the Hot Zone for a terrifying read.

Now numbers are (from Google News' Ebola heading)
As of July 12, the cumulative number of Ebola virus cases in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone was at 964, including 603 deaths. The death toll has almost doubled in a month's time; reported deaths in the three countries in mid-June was 350.

603/964 still only about .62 death rate, still very low for Ebola. And I am finally hearing about RCI not allowing refugees from the stricken areas across the border - (1) about time and (2) yikes, they need refuge.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 02:29 PM

I would also get with the diaspora of whatever country, esoecially doctors, nurses, clergy, famous actresses, sports figures..well also those in the country and have them contact all they could..giving explanations of what was required to save their lives.

Bark orders and clap hands. Have whistles and bullhorns. It is your first line of defense. If there is internet take pictures and videos and ask advice. I have barked orders before and will again if needed

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 02:17 PM

Start with martial law. Set up quarantine areas. Protect the water supply from bodies. Burn all trash and human and animal waste. Kill or control animals that could eat bodies. Ask for international help.   Get any militia,police military involved. Get churches, witchdoctors, healers involved. Limit people assembling. Design rituals that honor the deceased but protect the living. Get any radio or broadcast and cell phone messages going. If there is air power drop body bags, gloves, beach, big tongs or whatever to move the dead. Move rapidly to isolate the sick and dead and clear land so animals can not get in. Provide whatever comfort is possible to victims but focus always on halting spread of disease.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Janie
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 10:37 PM

Want to make clear I am not being sarcastic. I agree, mg, that following those practices would reduce the spread of the disease. One can not simply bark orders, clap one's hands, and 'make it so,' however.
Actually, in some few countries, a ruler (very strong-armed dictator) can come very close to do that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Janie
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 10:27 PM

And how would you get that message out and make sure your instructions are followed, mg?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 08:09 PM

you had better have an immediate and thorough way of disposing of the bodies, which might conflict with cultural customs, but nevertheless do it. I presume burning but I don't know for sure. You have to save the living and the medical workers.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Janie
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 10:53 PM

I've been following this moderately closely - national NPR programing, as well as local programming on WUNC (local NPR affiliate) have had some good coverage on 2-3 shows recently regarding both the cultural barriers and technology barriers to getting information out that would 1. decrease the likelihood of spreading the virus and 2. lead to identifying and getting people who have been infected to treatment facilities much more quickly.

I wonder if the better stats for survival reflect the spread to more populous areas where people who develop symptoms may be identified more quickly and treated earlier in the course of the disease?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 06:20 PM

Travel Health Notice, from Canada:

The risk of infection is low for most travellers, although the risk may increase for those who are working in a health care setting since most human infections result from direct contact with the bodily fluids of infected patients. The Public Health Agency of Canada recommends travellers avoid all direct contact with a person or corpse infected with the Ebola virus. Also, avoid contact with or handling an animal suspected of having Ebola. Travellers should immediately seek medical attention at the first sign of illness.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 05:50 PM

Because it isn't airborne and when you are contagious it is pretty clear that you are ill? It isn't a first world disease. I would think that if you can afford to fly, you are probably much less inclined to catch it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Mrr at work
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 05:41 PM

From today's internet just now quote "WHO reporting 844 cases including 518 deaths since the epidemic began in March" I get .614 which is great, for ebola, way lower than usual. I think. Why aren't the international airports in West Africa all closed?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 11:23 AM

SRS makes a good point. In many cultures, it would not be transmitted to nearly the same extent.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 08:12 AM

Quite alarming, given its transmissibility.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:44 PM

I heard the death rate is still around 90%. But there are common-sense ways to avoid catching it, like not taking the body home and then everyone touching it during the funeral.

SRS

Subject: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:08 PM

There only seems to be about a 50% fatality rate, way better than the usual 90-95%, but still - I read the Hot Zone and worry.