BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:26 AM

BTW - I am still struggling with the concept of anyone allowing themselves to be raped. Surely rape is non consensual while allow is another word for consent. Is it another example of that different language that I keep going on about or am I missing something?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:20 AM

Vulgar and fraudulent. That was a false statement you hoped to get away with, which you retracted only when found out. You also told us that Dublin wanted a hard border. Just a couple off the top of my head. *Yawn*

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:20 AM

Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?
It means no such thing
Up to now, any womn that has been raped is forced to think twice before they report it because they know that they wil be raped again - this time by the skilled (and extremely expencive) defence councils who will seek to denigrate her again - the more money you have, the better defence council you can afford.
The prcentage of reported rapes are abysmally low and the percent of successful convictions even lower
The Labour party has a far better track record of examining such complaints than does the Tories - go count the number of such cases that have been suppressed - Heath's being one that should have been investigated years ago, as should a whole bundle of others
Keith was an enthusiastic participant in Israel's attempts to smear the Labour Party as "antisemitic"
Labour carried out an enquiry when the smears began - so the smears started to smear the enquiry - Keith included
At teh same time, a leading Muslim in Britain accused the Tory Party of Islmaophobia - an enquiry has yet to be held
The Tories don't like enquiris of any sort - what they can't ignore, they buy off - look how long they took to haul hout the porn horder and sex pest, Damien Greene - and our tame sex pest appeaser still defends him
And these people try to take the political hight ground - a joke!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:18 AM

PFR Said that on 01 Mar 18 at 03:26.

I only made one post between then and your question "are you claiming that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused" on 02 Mar 18 at 03:49 AM. and that was

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:40 PM

It's just business as usual in Yorkshire :-)

What beast?

:D

In what way shape or form has your demented little mind converted that into agreement to what was said?

You have lost it big time.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:09 AM

Lying shit Jim, everyone already knows what I said in that 2011 post, because you have told us a hundred times in the intervening years.
They also know how I justify it, but I have NEVER said what you accuse me of.

You ascribed to me, in quotes, a statement maligning Muslims.
That was a despicable, slanderous lie.
Those are not my views and I certainly never posted them and never would post such shit.
You are indeed a nasty, lying turd.

Again, if I have ever posted a false statement, QUOTE ME, LIAR!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 10:03 AM

Dave,
What did what mean?

What PFR said and you agreed.

He said, By it's very democratic nature the Labour party has a tradition of being more open to scrutiny
than the far more secretive and perverted scandal prone tories..

I took that to mean that other parties have the same problem but keep quiet about it, suggesting as I said that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?

If not that, what did it mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 09:32 AM

So what did it mean?

What did what mean? PFR's comment? Ask him. WTF are you on about?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 09:30 AM

Doesn't even comprehend the difference between slander and liable.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 09:29 AM

"That was a despicable, slanderous lie."
You've said thius a hundred toimes and a hundred times I have put up your quote - complete
"Those are not my views"
#Your statement begins, "Don, I now believe..."
Your views, nobody elses - mythical or otherwise - yours
finis
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 08:48 AM

Dave,
You did get it wrong.
What a surprise.

So what did it mean?

PFR,
..at least Keith hasn't got round to blaming labour for the red commie russian snow ....yet.....

I have never blamed Labour for anything.
I have reported complaints about Labour from within Labour.
With your " tradition of being more open to scrutiny" you should welcome that.

Filthy liar Jim, you ascribed to me, in quotes, a statement maligning Muslims.
That was a despicable, slanderous lie.
Those are not my views and I certainly never posted them and never would post such shit.
You are indeed a nasty, lying shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 08:34 AM

..at least Keith hasn't got round to blaming labour for the red commie russian snow ....yet.....

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 08:22 AM

"I never have and never would say such a ludicrous and disgusting thing you filthy lying shit."
That is exactly what you said - two labour accusations of rape are far worse than anything else happening
"Dave said
"I have only intimated that there are more accusations of rape within Labour than other parties.
That is only your view, not a fact"
You responded
"It is a fact and I stand by it until someone produces similar accusations from within other parties.
If they were made they would certainly be reported."
Accusations of rape and sexual assault - even pedophilia have been pouring out for even a decade now - many of them have b=centred around politicians, Ministers, members of the House of Lords, High up Civil Servants - priests company direactors, memnbers of the Arts hierarchy ....
To claim that the pitifully few (and as yet unproven) accusations against Labour politicians is in any way significant in the tsunami of revelations is simple politicking on your part a squalid return to your "over-representation" claims about Muslims and Travellers
As far as I am concern, you are preying on the horrific events that are now coming to light - you are as much a sexual predator as are some of those monsters
No genuine human being behaves like that
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 07:37 AM

You did get it wrong.

What a surprise.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 07:04 AM

Lying shit Jim,
Keith - you are lying again - that is exactly what you said

I never have and never would say such a ludicrous and disgusting thing you filthy lying shit.

Dave,
PFR said, and you agreed, By it's very democratic nature the Labour party has a tradition of being more open to scrutiny
than the far more secretive and perverted scandal prone tories..

I took that to mean that other parties have the same problem but keep quiet about it, suggesting as I said that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?

I am sorry if I got that wrong. What did you both mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 04:42 AM

Keith - you are lying again - that is exactly what you said
Srop adding to your list and learn to tell the difference between truth and lies - this is becoming pathological
Finished with this - as you said once - "my work is done here"
As for your obscene use of rape to gain Party Political points, let's get things clear
It is rour right politicians who insist on treating women like second class citizens for the convenience of men
THe vote, equal pay, equal rights in marriage, the right to leave the home and have a say in their and their families - and now, the right to say "no" - all the aims of progressive humanitarians and all violently opposed by right wing administrations - have you been following some of the commemoration programmes on the suffragettes?
THe only reason that women first got the vote in the first place is because they did a deal with the people who were sending a generation of young men to be slaughtered in an Imperial war - until they did they faced humiliation, imprisonment and force-feeding
Our society ahs always been a misogynist one - women being second-class citizens is an essential part of the economy
That's what these exposures of sexual abuse, harassment and rape are all about - women and pointing out what is happening to them and saying "no"
It is typical that people of the right, like you, should use the rape of women to get more right-wing (largely) men in Parliament
Using women as you are here, as political propaganda, is a form of abuse in itself - you are just as much an abuser of women as the rest of these misogynist scumbags
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 04:08 AM

Pfr and Dave, are you claiming that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?

Huh? Where did that come from? I have claimed no such thing and I am pretty sure PFR did not either.

You really have lost it Keith. BTW - If it is allowed it is consensual. Think about it and then fuck off.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Mar 18 - 03:49 AM

Liar Jim,
"Muslim implants that make them rape chidren -"

Faked quote. I never have and never would say such a ludicrous and disgusting thing.
You compound your filthy lying, liar.

You can not produce a single genuine quote of me making a false statement, because you are just a liar resorting to baseless personal attack when you can not challenge anything I actually say.

Pfr and Dave, are you claiming that Tory women allow themselves to be raped and abused without fuss for the party?
That is a preposterous argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 08:25 PM

"Not a single quote yet liar Jim."
You are even lying in public about that
You really can't distinguise betwen truth and fiction any more, can you?
There's a medical description for that
"You suggeted that what was happening in the Labour party was way ahead of anywhere else - two solid accusations!"
""Jim, instaed of making false claims about things said years ago, quote me liar."""
A total lie
""Jim, instaed of making false claims about things said years ago, quote me liar."""
Another
"Muslim implants that make them rape chidren -"
You denied it - a lie
"brainwashed schoolchildren"
You denied it - yuo lied
A Want more?
Respond to these first
Jim Caarroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 05:31 PM

Seven inches? Are you sure we're still talking about snowdrifts here, Raggytash?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 04:08 PM

Yup about 7 inches in mine and I'm in town, what the moors are like ..................... the car hasn't moved in days.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:58 PM

We have a whole five-inch snowdrift outside our back door. Anyone for one-upmanship?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:55 PM

Re: my broadband thread - I was going to get the train down to install my mum's new router,
but she forbade me to travel in such 'treacherous' conditions...

can't argue with mum...

Though only just a light layer of snow in our town centre back yard so far...

Funny that.. the slightest hint of snow from Russia and it's a Red alert...
This'll keep Mail reasders up all night searching the skies...

Gotta keep an eye out for Ruskie paratroopers in snow white camouflage combat uniform...!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:40 PM

It's just business as usual in Yorkshire :-)

What beast?

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:38 PM

You've hit the nail on the head there, pfr. Thst should be the end of it but you can bet yer life that a certain arse who posts to these threads will keep gnawing away at it.

By the way, you've got red up your end, have you? We're only amber down yer in Kernow. I'm jealous...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:26 PM

By it's very democratic nature the Labour party has a tradition of being more open to scrutiny
than the far more secretive and perverted scandal prone tories...

Which will unfortunately play right into the hands of tories
desperate to seize and capitalise on anything they can publicly exploit as 'Labour Problems'.....

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:19 PM

Well done for highlighting my point, Keith. No one but you would have read that statement in context as fact.

Now you can fuck off

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:12 PM

Jim,
Youve had a list of your lies Keith

Not a single quote yet liar Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:11 PM

Dave,
Only you read them as facts. Normal people understood that they were views.

"it assumes that any savings on imports will be passed on to the consumer. We all know that this never happens."

I have only intimated that there are more accusations of rape within Labour than other parties.
That is only your view, not a fact.

It is a fact and I stand by it until someone produces similar accusations from within other parties.
If they were made they would certainly be reported.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:01 PM

"Why is that liar Jim?"
Youve had a list of your lies Keith
You want to open a betting book on Rapists in Britain - try your own Christian Church - streets ahead in numbers and tim they've been at it
"I have only intimated that there are more accusations of rape within Labour than other parties. "
How on earth can you jusy=tify trying to make party political capital on rape?
Sick, sick, sick
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 02:51 PM

Jim, still no quotes of a single false statement.

Why is that liar Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 01:27 PM

"Liar Jim, if I made a false statement,"
I just havve
You want another?
You suggeted that what was happening in the Labour party was way ahead of anywhere else - two solid accusations!
That is a ****** lie
The whole of British and Irish society has been shown as being misogynist - pedophilic priest, rapist comedians, politicians, buisnessmenn holding conventions in the Best hotels, sportsmen, film directors....
We now have an American President who took office having advocated that it is ok to "grab womens' pussies"
Edward Heath, the Dolphin Square rapists,
The mysionogistic o our society is now catching up with us
- and do you welcome that fact - no you do not - you try to make political capital of it
You defend the probable culprits and try to make political capital out of it for your party by pointing to a pitiful few accusations -
You are both dishonest and disgusting
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 12:46 PM

You stated as facts things that were not true.

Only you read them as facts. Normal people understood that they were views.

I have only intimated that there are more accusations of rape within Labour than other parties.

That is only your view, not a fact. We do not know how many accusations have gone unreported and how many have been swept under the carpet. Even if it were true an accusation is merely that. Being accused of a crime is not the same as being found guilty. Come back when the verdicts are in and until then...

...

...

You know what is coming don't you.

...

...

Well. you can wait till next time.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 12:40 PM

Liar Jim, if I made a false statement, QUOTE IT!

Good luck with that, liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 12:25 PM

"Jim, if I have made any false statement, quote it."
Yoe have lied and distorted throughout every hhread you've been involved in You want a quote
"Jim, instaed of making false claims about things said years ago, quote me liar.""
None of the things I put up were "false" - you are now proving that by refusing to deny them (any more)
You lied
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 12:25 PM

"but no threat to anyone else

.. but who knows what other young ripe fruit would have been in danger if he had not accidently prematurely expired...??????

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 12:20 PM

Bizarre indeed, but no threat to anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 12:07 PM

Tories - the traditional party of scandals and sleaze... always good for a laugh..

Stephen David Wyatt Milligan..

..even poor defensless fruit are not safe from tory pervs...!!!

"Milligan's corpse was naked except for a pair of stockings and suspenders, with an electrical flex tied around his neck and a black bin liner over his head,
with an orange segment in his mouth.
The coroner concluded that he had died in the early hours of 7 February.
The pathologists report into Milligan's death discounted the possibility of murder, lending weight to the belief that he died accidentally,
as a result of autoerotic asphyxiation"

...ah... the comedy classics...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 11:54 AM

Jim, if I have made any false statement, quote it.

Dave,
I proffered my opinion on some topics.

You stated as facts things that were not true.

your intimation that there are more rapists in the Labour party

I have only intimated that there are more accusations of rape within Labour than other parties.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 11:24 AM

"
Jim, instaed of making false claims about things said years ago, quote me liar."
You have made disgusting use of everything I said you have and you know it - Musilim impnats that make them rape chidren - Muslims and immigrants with one blow, overepresented Labour politicians who rape far more women than your party, and Irish children who have been brainwashed to hate Britain
Which of these have you not used in your poliitcal crusade Keith   
Mays as well start here
"None of that compares with all the complaints, including of rapes, coming from Labour now.
I'll pull up the "cultural implant bit when you deny it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 11:01 AM

That was because you made up false statements.
I see you decline to challenge anything I said.

I proffered my opinion on some topics. You disagreed with them. There was no falsehood in any of the statements I made. They were all my honest opinion.

I do challenge your intimation that there are more rapists in the Labour party than anywhere else but as we well know you are dishonest enough to say that this is not what you meant.

There are only two more words left to be said to you and I know that you will decline to comply with that request.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 10:50 AM

Rag,
Dave, don't you find it strange that someone who states his statements are factual does not even know about the Andrea Leadsome part in all this.

She just released results of a survey and made recommendations for a procedure.

Dave,
Keith, you insist that I am 'empty headed'

That was because you made up false statements.
I see you decline to challenge anything I said.

I had read your Indie piece thanks, and also a Guardian article.

Neither contradict anything I said.

Jim, instaed of making false claims about things said years ago, quote me liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 08:48 AM

"Do you challenge any of my statements?"
Anybody who uses raped children, harassed and raped women and immigrants to gain party polical points is a sicko - you have done all of these and more
I haven' bothered to mention your "brainwashed schoolchildren" - but it's on the way if you keep this filth up
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 08:29 AM

I like to help the disadvantaged ;-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 08:23 AM

Too generous by half Dave, I wouldn't have done that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 08:21 AM

Didn't spot that Raggy - thanks.

Here you go Keith

Andrea Leadsom is set to publish new findings into tackling sexual harassment

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 07:57 AM

Keith, you insist that I am 'empty headed' yet chose to pick up on my points and wish to discuss them. In the words of the song, who's the fool now?

Anyway, you know I have only two words to say to you.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 07:31 AM

Dave, don't you find it strange that someone who states his statements are factual does not even know about the Andrea Leadsome part in all this.

Isn't it good to know they have such a complete grasp of all the information, really gives you faith in what they post, not.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 07:10 AM

Dave,
Apart from any Labour MP who has already been tried by Keith and found guilty of spying while raping the neighbours cat.

I have stated nothing that I have not substantiated Dave.
Do you challenge any of my statements?
I say they are all factual and I challenge and defy you to find fault.

What is this Andrea Leadsome investigation that has seen Tory and Labour MPs suspended?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 06:54 AM

"Is anybody surprised?"
Not really
What does surprise and disgust me is how some people will use the rape and persecution of women as a party-political weapon - "our rapists are not as bad as your rapists"
Mind you, we should be used to that from someone who uses underage sex as a weapon against Muslims and the persecution of Jews as a defence of the mass murder of unarmed refugees (and a stick to beat the opposition)
Funny old world eh?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual impropriety at Westminster
From: Hrothgar
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 05:53 AM

"Sexual impropriety at Westminster" is a bit like saying "Money at a bank". Is anybody surprised?