BS: At last a Pope talks some sense

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 03:39 PM

I think anyone who is unreasonably sickened by the thought of gay sex should probably try to think about it less.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 12:29 PM

Akenaton stated
"The natural order of attraction is to the opposite sex...fact
Anyone who denies this is either lying, or has sexuality issues."

Attraction is attraction. What seems normal to you is disgusting to some others. There is no "natural" order. if one person finds the suction end of a vacuum cleaner attractive, then it is natural, albeit for that person....

I would assume that Akenaton is the one with sexuality issues. There is nothing to deny and nobody is lying.

Whatever floats your boat is natural for you, and you are the only person is your universe, so don't have hang ups, enjoy whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

And just remember that a Pope is the least qualified person to talk about different lifestyles, (unless he has a past in line with some of his so called priests....)

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 12:26 PM

Funny: a post of mine that I actually saw appear here has now vanished. Must try to remember what it was.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 12:26 PM

Ake, if you believe that homosexuality is a choice, at what age did you choose to be "Normal"?

And, modern science has proved that the choice is made in the fallopian tube, not in the person. That's why the males of every mammalian species has nipples.We all start out as females and certain hormonal changes take place before birth to make us either male or female. When those changes get confused you end up with a woman trapped in a man's body, or a man trapped in a woman's body.

This is also the reason for Hermaphrodites. Or do you think they choose to have both sets of plumbing?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Stu
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 11:10 AM

"Homosexual men and Afrinan immigrants are the two groups with the highest rates of infection in percentage terms."

So that means, according to God's Vicar the British Government should repeal legislation that makes equality for african immigrants law because they have HIV? I mean, according to your own words such laws would take into account the 'fact' that African's sexual "practice is a condition, a behavioural condition, and as such, criticism of it is not "bigotry" "

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:48 AM

I suspect what happens in the UK, may not be the case in the rest of the world.


"Although HIV is often perceived to be a 'gay' problem, infections acquired through heterosexual sex account for the largest number of HIV diagnoses in the UK. The majority of people who acquired HIV heterosexually were infected overseas but only became aware of their status after being tested in the UK. In terms of HIV infections actually occurring within the UK, gay men (and other men who have sex with men) accounted for two thirds of new cases."
Source

http://www.avert.org/aids-uk.htm

Since infection through oral sex is low, I suspect that is not a significant cause. Homosexual women may also be a low contribution to the stats. I suspect bisexual folks would be a factor.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:19 AM

Katlaughing....new hiv infections among injecting drug users in the UK are falling quite substancially.

Homosexual men and Afrinan immigrants are the two groups with the highest rates of infection in percentage terms.

The figures are available on the Ugandan thread.

Mousethief..There is a natural distaste amongst most heteros to the idea of homosexual practice. In most cases this distaste does not apply to sex with a black woman, or a yellow woman or any other colour you like to come up with(no pun intended)

The natural order of attraction is to the opposite sex...fact
Anyone who denies this is either lying, or has sexuality issues.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 08:52 AM

100

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 11:18 PM

HIV/AIDS is rising at epic proportions among young people...mostly through needles.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 09:12 PM

My point was that one can have "natural" bigoted thoughts, and that their being "natural" didn't make them right. Whether they were exactly the same ones I mentioned before is so stupid a counterargument that even you, Ake, should have known better. beeliner, if you can't follow an argument, that's your own look-out. I don't know if Lincoln himself said it. The fact that the argument is accredited to Lincoln is really a side-point, and I'm amazed so many people ran down that rabbit trail.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 08:50 PM

the response that I am talking about comes from the life force itself. Nature in the raw, heteros are genetically programmed by nature to find intercourse with the opposite sex exciting and very pleasurable.

Even without contraception procreation is, at best, a random by-product of heterosexual intercourse which in terms of incidence is overwhelmingly about pleasure. Do the math - how many kids do we have in a lifetime? How many times do we fuck? It's barely significant. Human beings find sex pleasurable. It's what sex is - the instinctive animal urge to PURE UNADULTERATED PLEASURE, be it heterosexual or homosexual - this is why we do it. It is always exciting & pleasurable. It is all about the life force and capacity to ORGASM which is, after all, PERFECTLY NATURAL REGARDLESS. If the extremely occasional incidence of sexual intercourse results in procreation, then the species is assured survival; otherwise Nature in the Raw does not discriminate.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 08:20 PM

Certainly, Lincoln said things that would be considered racist in our day. He was a product of his time, and of his culture. Was he racist? I wouldn't call him that, since his attitudes toward slaves were ahead of his time. But if he said those things and had those attitudes in this day and age, then he certainly would be a racist.

I think racism is in our hearts, not in our words. If a person lived in a time of slavery and promoted humane treatment of slaves, was he a racist? I don't think so, because his heart was in the right place. I think the same thing goes for the way people treat homosexuals - if they come from a culture that disapproves of homosexuality, and they at least promote greater rights for homosexuals; then I think we should be hesitant to call them "bigots."

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 08:13 PM

akenaton   

Good for you in celebrating diversity...from many perspectives. I assume the more and better one know different folks, the more tolerant one becomes....(and, I also suspect (though fear comes in many shades and colours).

Seems that HIV is now spread in many parts of the world by permiscious and unprotected sexual behaviour by as many or more herterosexuals as homosexuals (for example, in some areas of Africa....where HIV is an epidemic).
It does not seem logical that homosexual couples....in committed relationships....would be any greater threat to the spread of HIV than herterosexuals in similar committed relationships.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: beeliner
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 08:01 PM

"Webpage: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-173993.html

Quote: There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all White people at the idea of an indiscriminate amalgamation of the White race and the Black race..

Author: Abraham Lincoln"


Attributing racist comments to Lincoln by white racists goes back to the earliest days of the civil rights movement.

Most such attributions are bogus. Those that are not need to be put in the context of Lincoln's times. The attempted implication is that, were Abe here today, he would be of the same mind, which is, of course, ridiculous.

That the above quote was found on a blatantly racist website makes it questionable. Can anyone verify the quote from a reliable source?

And how does it pertain to the theme of the thread?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 07:47 PM

and Richard...for an intelligent fellow, you do display a large degree of naivety.

Of course the media dont suggest that"those who do not wish to should indulge in homosexual activity."

Its far more insidious than that!
Take many "comedy" shows on UK TV, where "gay" characters are shown as slighly nutty nice but dim folks with bi polar disorder.
Or the therapists, beauty consultants, gym instructors,hair dressers, interior designers, who present themselves to a mainly bored and female daytime audiance as being safe lovable sincere and "gay"

Of course we have no way of knowing whether they are actually "gay" or not, but like the politicians they are using the idea of homosexuality get where they want to be.
Homosexuals are stereotyped on TV and to some extent in the newspapers. They show only a few of their more endearing traits without any information being given on the health timebomb which homosexual practice contains.....so it is as I said, insidious promotion.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 07:17 PM

Ed...So its all about "fear of difference", well I just love people who are "different".
I love the eccentrics, the old people who have got beyond caring about convention, politically I'm about as radical as its possible to get.You would laugh if you could see how I dress or how I deal with people around me.

I'm nothing like the stereotyped image that I'm sure most on this forum have of me.

But my opinions on the dangerous nature of homosexuality are backed up by a whole series of figures, which are steadily getting worse, and according to the last UNAIDS hiv update, NEW and more effective measures need to be taken to arrest the number of new infections among homosexuals.
That means some form of compulsory aids testing, contact tracing and education.....or a dramatic improvement in the promiscuous nature of homosexual practice

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 07:00 PM

Mousethief...you are being ridiculous

You are citing cases of people who dont like the mixing of races.

Absolutely nothing to do with being disgusted by the colour of someones skin

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 06:59 PM

An interesting talk on bigotry, fear and the cost to individuals and society. And, yes....we are likely all bigots (or have been) in some aspects of, or at some times in our lives.

WHAT PRICE BIGOTRY?
Undermining the rich foundations of humanity
Dorothy McRae-McMahon

Excerps:

Of course, bigotry is always present in all of us to some degree…. When respectable people give the nod to racism, it gives permissions for what is hidden and regarded as unacceptable to gain respectability and it gives life to the deathly impulses of extremists.

We are now facing the consequences of many forms of injustice, hate, colonialism, religious and racial hatreds and prejudice - partly the terrifying fruits of world history and partly the fruits of bigotries which arise from economic, religious and political fundamentalisms, the ultimate sources of bigotry in our day.

Fear of difference is, I guess, age-old. It is as though the existence of difference is, in itself, a negative comment on our being and lifestyle and thus an attack on us.

I began to look at these people more closely – not those whose who simply disagreed but those whom I would class as almost certainly homophobic. By definition, they were, of course, responding with fear.

Who can tell what lies beneath that fear? I would never presume to determine what lies there – fear of sexuality in general or in particular? Issues around bodiliness overall, perhaps?

Suffice to say that I wish, among other things, that we had taken to ourselves the healthy and integrated view of human being of the Jewish people, rather than the dualism of the Greek thinking of the day. Not that this implies that any of the great religions set an example of acceptance of difference in sexual preference, but at least in the Jewish tradition as I understand it, body, mind, heart and souls are not arranged in order of worth but are held together as the nature of wholeness.

Of course, there is a natural human impulse to be anxious in the presence of the unpredictable. We like others to fit into what we regard as our norms of response, life-style and behaviour as that feels much more comfortable....

What are the consequences of bigotry?



http://www.anu.edu.au/hrc/freilich/events/archive/WHAT%20PRICE%20BIGOTRY.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 06:53 PM

Richard the response that I am talking about comes from the life force itself. Nature in the raw, heteros are genetically programmed by nature to find intercourse with the opposite sex exciting and very pleasurable.
In the same way they are programmed to view same gender sex with varying degrees of distaste....nothing to do with rationalising the feelings of people who happen to be suffering from a "condition".......or what is acceptable to you.

Nothing to do with an "offer", the heterosexual mind and body naturally reject same gender sex....I suppose it has to do with the perpetuation of the species.

I may be only a builder, not an erudite lawyer, but, and this may surprise you, some of "us workies" do have the capacity to think. I use that capacity at all times and unlike most lawyers, not just inside the box.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 06:40 PM

Webpage: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-173993.html

Quote: There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all White people at the idea of an indiscriminate amalgamation of the White race and the Black race..

Author: Abraham Lincoln

Webpage: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=955613

Quote: I personally find it disgusting when I see a "white" person with a "black" person in a relationship.

Author: XeaL

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 06:31 PM

Ake, can you honestly say that you never heard the "disgust" argument used to defend miscegenation laws - based solely on skin colour?

And no, I did not say that sexual preference was genetic. But by the time it manifests it is immutable, although there are quite a few who are various ways along the road to omnisexuality.

What you have is not an acceptable response. An acceptable response to an unwanted sexual offer is "No thank you". Only if (unwanted) coercion is offered does a more extreme response merit consideration.

I would definitely decline an offer to partake in coprophagia, but that does not justify discrimination against those who find it exciting. Consenting persons of an age of sexual discretion and all that.

And yes, I can honestly say I have never seen any part of the media suggest that those who do not wish to should indulge in homosexual activity.

And no, don't take my word for it - THINK.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 06:17 PM

What a preposterous answer!
I have never heard anyone say they were "disgusted" by the colour of someones skin.. It just doesn't make sense
In all honesty,have you?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 06:11 PM

How the fuck can a disgusted response to skin colour be possibly described as "natural"?

I'm talking about a hetero's(my)natural response to same gender sex.
Correct me if I am wrong, but dont most hetero's share this response.
It has been measured you know!


Sorry???....Get a fuckin' grip!!

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: mousethief
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 05:55 PM

I could have a "natural response" that all people with skin darker than mine are inferior. If I were to express that belief out loud, that would be bigoted. Even if the response is "natural." Being "natural" doesn't shield you from a charge of bigotry. Sorry.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 03:30 PM

Do you think that I, as a heterosexual have a "choice" as to how I feel about homosexual practice?
Or does Mother Nature determine my responses.
Why do my natural responses make ME a "bigot"

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 02:50 PM

OK Richard, are you saying that gay culture is not promoted in the entertainment media!

Whether homosexual practice is "a choice" or not is up for debate...
I am not prepared to take your word as law.
I agree with Peter, it is a condition...I added behavoural condition. Thats my opinion, yours appears to be that homosexuality is genetic. I await your argument in support of that opinion with interest.

In what way are the opinions I express bigotry?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 02:13 PM

Cheers, Richard - perfectly put.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 01:55 PM

Ake, supporting a particular football team, indeed supporting one at all is a matter of choice. Indeed given the conduct widely associated with football supporters involving oneself with them might be argued to be a voluntary assumption of risk.

Even a choice of religion is a choice - a voluntary action.

One's sexual preference is no more a matter of choice than the colour of one's skin.

The idea that we are in a "gay culture" or that homosexuality (as a sexual preference) is or even can be promoted is fanciful. Your suggestions of such things merely underline your fear and bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 01:21 PM

Suibhne....."Ten years ago my cousin was murdered for being gay."

Although horrific in itself, that bald statement says nothing about serious criticism of Homosexuality.
My nephew and many more were knifed in Glasgow for supporting the wrong football team.
Catholic/protestant violence is commonplace.
Violence against homosexuals or abuse of homosexuals or lesbians is much rarer in comparison.
If someone is killed assaulted or verbally abused, the laws are in place to deal with it, but dont bring your fascism down on others to curtail their right to express themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: kendall
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 12:52 PM

I wish the Pope and certain others could go back in time for a while and see if they really would like the Dark Ages.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 12:45 PM

Peter...How can you possibly contend that the "Church" encourages child abuse? Surely that could never be in the interests of the church.
Each case of child abuse is personal to the priest who carried out the assault. Where the "Church was at fault, was in attempting to cover up the abuse when it had been reported....no doubt about that, it was a cynical and cruel form of self preservation.
The Church is also at fault in hanging on to the celibacy rule, which is certain to attract people with sexual problems into the priesthood.

I would also like to know why you catagorise me as a "vile bigot", for repeating health figures which are freely available on the internet
You seem to share my views on homosexual marriage, so that can't be a problem.

I find the "gay culture" which we are bombarded with in the media, distictly off putting.....but I dont suppose I'm in the minority in that.
I also find the idea of homosexual practice, and the nudge nudge jokes associated with it, disgusting...that is a personal opinion, but I'm prepared to bet that it is shared by the vast majority of heterosexuals

As you have already said, homosexual practice is a condition, a behavioural condition, and as such, criticism of it is not "bigotry"

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: beeliner
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 12:35 PM

"Beeliner, what specifically was the BBC's gaffe in this case? Your post doesn't make it clear."

Peter, I didn't hear their coverage, if any, of this specific case. It was more a general statement.

I lived in Germany for over eight years and BBC radio and TV were my main sources of news in English.

During that time, I can remember various points of Catholic doctrine on several issues being misstated rather badly, and I am not alleging any deliberate misrepresentation on their part, only that whoever wrote the reports should have been careful in their research.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,LTS on the sofa
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 12:22 PM

"The health figures, especially the latest set from UNAIDS prove that homosexual practice is unsafe and unhealthy.
I have argued against the promotion of homosexuality as safe and healthy right from the start."

The above argument just doesn't fly.

I'm pretty sure that children in Africa, born with HiV/Aids are not practicing anything, homosexual or not. The major problem with the spread of AIDS in heterosexual communities is the refusal to wear a condom because of its contraceptive properties or the lack of supply of such items.


LTS

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 12:01 PM

Beeliner, what specifically was the BBC's gaffe in this case? Your post doesn't make it clear.

If I am a vile bigot for expressing my views, then Mr Obama, hero of the "liberal left" must also be a vile bigot.

I'm afraid that doesn't follow, Ake. I'm not particularly a fan of Obama's but I detect no homphobia in anything he's said or done. In particular I accept that it is possible to argue against same-sex marriages without being homophobic.

Homosexuality is a condition, just as manic depression (bipolar disorder) is a condition. Because bipolar disorder is passed on genetically, advances in genetic science could soon allow it to be eradicated from humankind. But though I don't mind it being controlled I would not want to see it eradicated. Likewise, unlike Ake, I would hate to see homosexuality eradicated in the unlikely event of that becoming a possibility.

Both conditions contribute enormously to the richness of human life, evidenced by the fact that both are disproportionately represented in the world's intellectual elite and in the creative arts.

Much of the homophobia in Africa is among uneducated people who have been exploited and manipulated for generations by missionaries, their own shamans, witch doctors, etc. Such hostility is founded in ignorance. But there can be no such excuse for Ake's prejudice and Joe's head-in-the-sand "neutrality" (witness Joe's yearning for that odious so-called compromise of "don't ask, don't tell"). For me both attitudes are utterly inexcusable.

As an aside, I have to say it beggars believe that a church which has put so much money and effort into the abuse of children would presume to lecture any democracy on sexual morality.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: beeliner
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 09:09 AM

"His strongly-worded intervention in British politics comes after leaders of both the Roman Catholic Church and Church of England clashed with Labour over its flagship Equality Bill, which they fear will make them admit homosexuals to the priesthood or face prosecution for discriminating against them."

Am I missing something here? The Catholic Church has been admitting homosexuals to the priesthood from its inception.

I'm not sure, but I doubt that a candidate for the priesthood would even be questioned about his sexual orientation.

The CC requires chastity, appropriate to one's station in life, from all its members, the Church would say that God requires it.

The article seems to have been written by a non-Catholic or a very ignorant Catholic.

The BBC makes similar gaffes regularly.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 05 Feb 10 - 07:42 AM

Oh well, let's have damn good laugh about it, eh? What a fucking hoot. Ten years ago my cousin was murdered for being gay. So here we're being asked to understand such homophobia, even have sympathy with it because the roots of homophobia run deep. The roots of all evil run deep; the more we indulge them, the deeper they run because no roots are deeper than our lives and freedoms in the here and now.

Joe Offer - in a recent PM you said that I disgusted you for defending MtheGM's right to call me a cunt in an open forum. One is reminded of Kurtz's famous line from Apocalypse Now: We train young men to drop fire on people, yet their commanders won't allow them to write fuck on their airplanes because it's obscene. And again, to paraphrase Apocalypse Now: Oh man... the bullshit piled up so fast on Mudcat, you needed wings to stay above it.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 09:20 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 09:18 PM

.....what's it matter?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:47 PM

Well if you can't tell the difference...

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:45 PM

I think that question's for you, Smokey.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:38 PM

Is it a girlie sheep, or a guy sheep? Be careful what you covet:)

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:36 PM

"homosexual practice is unsafe and unhealthy"
Possibly true....I am not sure of that.

But, does unhealthy and unsafe lifestyles justify discrimination? If so, I suspect there are very many folks out there with less healthy and safe lifestyles (than others) that we could discriminate against...I am sure most of us you can bring up a few.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:33 PM

LOL, Smokey.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:28 PM

I suspect Africa is a big place (never made it there) , with different cultural influences, and history:)
But, consider this quote....which relates to the influence of Christianity and colonization on at least some of Africa:

"....an African tradition of homosexuality can be found if you know where to look. There is a lot of data ( on that) as well as proof from our languages. When the Christians came, they demonized it. In Uganda, Father Lourdel from France brainwashed our forefathers by teaching them that homosexuality is evil. They had no problem with it before that. The British came later and criminalized it. It was not an issue before that. By doing this both the European Christians and colonialists brought homophobia to a continent that was clean of it. Africa embraced it and everything that the 'masters' brought. To date we still suffer the effects. It makes me sick that our leaders know about this history and yet they will go ahead and make such misleading remarks. We need to remind them of that history."

Victor Juliet Mukasa, activist with the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission (IGLHRC), focusing on the East, Central and Horn regions of Africa.

http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Out_in_Africa-7002.aspx

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:27 PM

Does she have a little sister?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:23 PM

FIND YER OWN, PERVERT!

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:10 PM

Gosh, she's a beauty.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,999
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:08 PM

I agree.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 08:04 PM

Besides, it shouldn't really matter in the priesthood; they're supposed to be celibate. I see no reason why it should matter which gender they're not having sex with.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 04 Feb 10 - 07:59 PM

homosexuals are at least 50 times more likely to contract hiv/aids than heterosexuals

We should perhaps try to understand how they might feel about that.. Being homosexual doesn't make a person unthinking or uncaring.