Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Jeri Date: 10 Aug 16 - 09:11 PM Joe listening to cable news (which I'm getting fairly sick of), the polls favor Clinton, often in double digits. Plus, a lot of Repub former Trump supporters are bailing. I hope a lot of people vote, but I'm also thinking many X-Trumpers are going to refrain from voting, or will vote for someone else. I also think the Republican party as it is, is finished. They'll have to re-shape the whole party. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Aug 16 - 08:47 PM Jeri says: I'm thinking the election is going to be a landslide like we've never seen before. I sure hope that's true, Jeri - and that the landslide will favor the Democrats. It will take a Democratic landslide to reform the Republican Party and cleanse of all the Trump and Tea Party nonsense. [Damn! I almost used that puerile "Trumpshit" moniker...] The United States needs two rational political parties, to balance things out and keep things honest. The Republican Party has been dominated by extremists for far too long. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Greg F. Date: 10 Aug 16 - 07:48 PM The danger for everyone is that too many Americans are going to assume that Trump has no chance of winning. That means no need to vote for Hillary (and an awful lot of people clearly don't particularly want to vote for her) - staying at home, or voting for fringe candidates - ... Amen, Kevin. A vote for "none of the above" is a vote for The Trumpshit. And the Trumpshit is way beyond the Monster Raving Looney Party. The last thing he is is "funny". |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Aug 16 - 07:29 PM The danger for everyone is that too many Americans are going to assume that Trump has no chance of winning. That means no need to vote for Hillary (and an awful lot of people clearly don't particularly want to vote for her) - staying at home, or voting for fringe candidates - and also people, who don't actually fancy Trump as president, feeling a vote for him is a risk-free way of registering a protest, or even just having a joke. The Monster Raving Loony Candidate. And you get the Monster Raving Loony President. Which isn't funny any more. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Donuel Date: 10 Aug 16 - 07:26 PM Being half deaf I could at least hear you this time Greg. You know I am open to the possibility that a smiling Hitler does better than an angry one. It is possible Trump is simply a natural mother ....... It is trump supporters, not me, who claim in their defense that trump does not know what he is saying. Greg do not do their job. Joe it is now apparent with one added adjective (insidious) that you did not let Trump sneak under the radar recently. Good for you buddy. Every outrageous piece of tripe will now be thrown by FOX and Repukians for the next 89 days with fairly tepid Hillary commercials, in response. "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" (insidious insinuation) |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Greg F. Date: 10 Aug 16 - 06:54 PM Greg drank the kool aid and thinks trump is a stupid bumbling moron Drank the Kool-Aid ??? - gimmie a break, that'd a standard Republicrap talking point . The Trumpshit IS an ignorant narcissistic moron (and a crook into the bargain if anyone wishes to check his business history of stiffing workers and contractors and refusing to rent to Black folks)- and he continually lies out of both sides of his mouth at once - but that doesn't mean he doesn't know how to engage OTHER ignorant morons and solicit their support to his ignorant, fascist cause. He's a complete piece of shit. Full stop. But the folks that would vore for him and who support him and shout out at his rallies RE: President Obama: "F**K THE NI**ER" are .......... somethimg else entirely. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Donuel Date: 10 Aug 16 - 06:18 PM Does Trump exaggerate extravagantly ? yes Does he lie eloquently? No, it always has a ham handed quality done in incomplete sentences. When deal making can this technique be used with plausible deniability? Yes. Can one be so clever? Yes Most people here can read between the lines. Its just as easy to speak between the lines. Greg drank the kool aid and thinks trump is a stupid bumbling moron gaffe giraffe with no idea what will come out of his mouth. Truth is Donald does know. This a guy who anonymously pretended to be a public relation expert for himself. Do you think that was an accident? If you still have your doubts, fine, but do not apologize for Donald. You will regret it. I have had experiences which leaves me without a shred of naiveté' . Life is nice when you remain naïve, like a happy delusion, but it is escapist. In a political campaign all you need to do is deny a particular meaning while your opponent is put in a position or quandary of having to deny something absurd. "I know he didn't ruck a pig, I just want to hear him deny it!" L.B.J. To control the 24/7 news cycle just keep outraging people. Landslide or not the suggestion will live on. Or as amos might succinctly say "Its all Brand BS" |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Greg F. Date: 10 Aug 16 - 05:27 PM I'm thinking the election is going to be a landslide like we've never seen before. Not necessarily, if the die-hard Bernie Folks and Greenies persist in throwing their votes away & thereby electing The Trumpshit... |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Jeri Date: 10 Aug 16 - 05:19 PM I'm thinking the election is going to be a landslide like we've never seen before. Then, think about this, what happens after that? I think this is what it looks like when a whole country jumps the shark. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Greg F. Date: 10 Aug 16 - 05:19 PM ... he actually approves of assassinating Hillary while still providing plausible deniability when others interpret it that way. Could he be that clever? No, He's a moron - but his handlers - especially Roger Stone - ARE that clever and unprincipled. For a presidential candidate to impliciitly invite it for an opponent is however a new departure, I believe. Yup, that's The Trumpshit and his followers in spades. HEIL TRUMP!!! Brownshirts R Us. Is it possible that remarks like these, which seem to be "off the cuff" ad libs, are actually carefully calculated and scripted? Absolutely. The Trumpshit- although he's an absolute moron and a crook into the bargain - is well aware of what he says. This is a man who described his "romantic escapades" (i.e. indiscriminate rutting)in the 1980's as his "personal Vietnam" because he put himself at risk of sexually transmitted diseases. He stated that this made him feel "like a great and very brave soldier". (see Howard Stern interview). He's a real 14 karat piece of shit. Of course, the entire Republican Party has been doing this to Hillary since 1992 Not just Hillary, Joe - ALL women. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Aug 16 - 04:36 PM Surely in America the idea of presidential assassination is always present, even when unspoken? For a presidential candidate to impliciitly invite it for an opponent is however a new departure, I believe. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Aug 16 - 04:34 PM The Chicago Tribune (click) has a good article about The Donald and The Nukes. It's similar to his quip on 2nd Amendment people and Hillary - he says it, and then he denies it, but he leaves the thought there. And so he has succeeded in issuing a horrible threat while retaining some degree of deniability. It's insidious. This sort of practice is common among lecherous men who make sexually-threatening remarks toward women and then immediately deny that they said anything of the sort. Such veiled threats may be even more damaging than direct threats, because the culprits often succeed in escaping culpability. Like I said, it's insidious. Of course, the entire Republican Party has been doing this to Hillary since 1992, to the point where even Bernie Sanders supporters believe them. They have well-nigh destroyed the reputation of a good woman, and they deny culpability. They made Trump their candidate, and now they deny culpability. Need I say it again? It's insidious. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: keberoxu Date: 10 Aug 16 - 04:23 PM Trump again, Trump again, jiggety-jig |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Jim Carroll Date: 10 Aug 16 - 04:15 PM Missed this - has it been discussed that Trump has suggested the use of ncler weapons on three occasions Jim Carroll |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Jeri Date: 10 Aug 16 - 03:39 PM Don, Joe didn't miss the opportunity. You misunderstood what he said. Is it just me, or are many of us just looking for offensive things? Bev and Jerry, it was a fairly obvious hint. That can't indicate the slightest smidgen of cleverness. It was ham-handed. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Bev and Jerry Date: 10 Aug 16 - 02:23 PM Is it possible that remarks like these, which seem to be "off the cuff" ad libs, are actually carefully calculated and scripted? His recent remark about the "second amendment folks" may have been designed to suggest to his followers that he actually approves of assassinating Hillary while still providing plausible deniability when others interpret it that way. Could he be that clever? Bev and Jerry |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Donuel Date: 10 Aug 16 - 02:15 PM Joe there are times in life when moral outrage and grief are appropriate. I daresay you missed this particular opportunity. Now that the nation is openly discussing the assassination of Hillary Clinton no one can put the genie back in the bottle. The damage is done. The gun of Damocles is loaded, and Trump merely made an implication? BEE W, I have watched the good/bad puppet experiments. Point well taken. Perhaps you see my perspective of Trump using what I call, in this case of insinuating permission to shoot, oblique hypnotic suggestion? Every discipline has its own language. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Aug 16 - 12:45 PM No, Donald Trump did not say that the 2nd Amendment supporters should kill Hillary. However, his implication was clear. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 10 Aug 16 - 10:02 AM My wife was telling me about a series of experiments undertaken by behavioral scientists. Young children watched puppets performing short vignettes, after which they were allowed to choose one of the puppets to play with. When shown one puppet acting politely and another acting badly, the children almost uniformly chose to play with the "nice" puppet. When shown a puppet who liked the type of breakfast cereal the children themselves liked and another puppet who liked something else, the children almost always chose the puppet who liked their own favorite cereal. But when shown the cereal vignette and the good puppet/bad puppet vignette sequentially, the children almost always chose to play with the puppet who liked their favorite cereal, even if it was the bad puppet. My interpretation of this is that the children identified puppets who like their own favorite cereal as members of their own "tribe". They formed tribal identities based on a very basic commonality: food preference. They were willing to ignore bad behavior on the part of other tribe members, but not in non-tribe members. Tribal identity trumps morality. This says a lot to me about Donald Trump's appeal and, most importantly, why he's able to get away with the outlandishly offensive comments he makes. He has established himself as a member of the "disaffected white people" tribe by appealing to base level wants and needs, like economic (in)security, and ignoring higher level concerns like morality, wisdom, and rationality. Other disaffected white people are willing to ignore, even applaud, comments and behaviors from Trump that they'd never find acceptable coming from a non-tribe member. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Donuel Date: 10 Aug 16 - 09:59 AM Fascists are falling over each other to parse what trump said. At the end of the day the one thing no one can take back now is the fact that Permission has been given! Permission to point 3/4 of a million guns at Hillary's head and triggers squeezed. Its not hardball anymore, its government by gun, by people who smile at the prospect but claim "I didn't do anything". Yes, you did't do anything. That's the problem. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Vashta Nerada Date: 10 Aug 16 - 09:44 AM There are times when I miss the plain-speaking of the Muskets. Trump is a demagogue and bully and we want to talk about him in this thread. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Jeri Date: 10 Aug 16 - 09:41 AM Ake, I remember in one Trump thread, you only seemed to want to talk about Hillary. That is what I believe Acme is talking about. Also, if it turns into personal battle and the "arguments" target a specific other poster, there's a good chance the post or the thread will get deleted. Don, that's not what he said. That's just how a lot of people (including me) heard it. It's good, though, because the more shit comes out of his mouth, the more of his followers see the light. Let's just hope he doesn't manage to knock down any dominoes while he's talking. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Donuel Date: 10 Aug 16 - 08:57 AM "If Hillary wins the election our loyal 2nd amendment militias will save our guns by killing her" sic. Donald Trump This is the rhetoric I always expected from trump. Fascism requires violence nd murder. Now if Ake or his ilk takes pride in his might is right philosophy, he is no longer a human o me. If he is happy as a powerful murderous bully, he is my sworn enemy. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Stu Date: 10 Aug 16 - 08:07 AM Er, well I wasn't so much supporting your views Ake (which I disagree with strongly) as defending your right to air them, and more to the point I was taking issue with Vashta's post which implied only US citizens have an interest or perhaps even a stake in this election, even if only they have the vote. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Aug 16 - 04:24 AM When someone doesn't contribute to the various threads, but changes the subject to his hatred of one candidate, he isn't furthering the conversation. And saying it over and over and over suggests that he thinks repeating a lie often enough will make it become the truth. And now he has managed to turn the thread from Trump to himself. That is an old troll trick. It was horrifying that Bush started a war in Iraq, and wretched to see how anyone who opposed it was immediately pounced upon as unpatriotic if they didn't get behind Baby Bush right after 9-11. Cheney lied. Many people were fooled. But you haven't seen nothin' yet, if Trump were to be elected, the House, the Senate, and the Supreme Court will have to spend all of their time keeping him in line and acting to correct his judgement errors. He doesn't have a clue what the Constitution is about. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Stu Date: 10 Aug 16 - 03:07 AM " He insists on contributing every third or fourth post to argue with people in the US about American candidates." To be fair, if the US appoints itself 'leader of the free world' then those of us in the free world have a stake in these elections too, and we're as entitled to comment on it as anyone else. The influence of the US across the world for good or bad means everyone has an opinion, and everyone is affected. Also, your president came over here with a stick rather than a carrot during the run up to the EU referendum and gave his two penneth (making things worse for us remainers), so if we are to suffer direct interference in our affairs then a few folk commenting on a forum thread is the least of it. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: akenaton Date: 10 Aug 16 - 02:45 AM Well I remember it well Joe and you did oppose it....but to most people here at the time Saddam was the real villain and had to be removed.....the likely repercussions were rarely discussed by US ers. I agree with Greg 100% over the blocking of these threads(sorry Greg :0)). None of the threads were personally abusive and I don't see how we can discuss Mr Trump without also discussing the election as a whole. I may be wrong, but I don't see it as the business of the mods to impose political censorship on the forum. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Joe Offer Date: 10 Aug 16 - 12:36 AM So, the other two Trump threads are closed. Might be an idea to talk about Trump on this thread, hey? Did I hear Ake say that most of the liberals at Mudcat supported the Bush invasion of Iraq? I have to say that I was surprised and disappointed that Hillary voted for it. I don't think she'd do it now, although she is more "hawkish" than I would like. But I think most U.S. Mudcatters were against the invasion of Iraq. I certainly opposed it. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Vashta Nerada Date: 09 Aug 16 - 11:59 PM Akenaton camps out on these threads and makes them worse than they need to be. He insists on contributing every third or fourth post to argue with people in the US about American candidates. If he stays away - or his posts are deleted before everyone starts arguing with him - then maybe this one will stick around. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Donuel Date: 09 Aug 16 - 08:31 PM Greg go to age: at top of page and select 7 days, find original trump thread and post there. do not start threads by same name. |
Subject: RE: BS: Trump again From: Greg F. Date: 09 Aug 16 - 07:41 PM Well, we could discuss why the last two threads initiated & posted about The Trumpshit were killed out of hand in their infancy by the mods..... And then we could get on with discussing the latest asshole pronouncements by himself and why he is totally unfit to be a high school custodian, never mind the Prez. of the U.S. |
Subject: RE: BS: Can We Discuss Trump Or Not From: michaelr Date: 09 Aug 16 - 06:54 PM What's to discuss about the ass-clown? |
Subject: BS: Can We Discuss Trump Or Not From: Greg F. Date: 09 Aug 16 - 06:38 PM I don't see what the problem is here - please elucidate. |