BS: Sudan

Subject: RE: BS: Sudan
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:53 PM

Here's some stuff to get you started:

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/sudan1103/8.htm#_Toc54492553

"The large-scale exploitation of oil by foreign companies operating in the theatre of war in southern Sudan has increased human rights abuses there and has exacerbated the long-running conflict in Sudan, a conflict marked already by gross human rights abuses—two million dead, four million displaced since 1983—and recurring famine and epidemics.

Forced displacement of the civilian population, and the death and destruction that have accompanied it, are the central human rights issues relating to oil development in Sudan. The government is directly responsible for this forced displacement, which it has undertaken to provide security to the operations of its partners, the international and mostly foreign state-owned oil companies. In the government's eyes, the centuries-long residents of the oilfields, the Nuer, Dinka, and other southern Sudanese, pose a security threat to the oilfields because control and ownership of the south's natural resources are contested by southern rebels and government officials perceive the pastoral peoples as sympathetic to the rebels. But the Sudanese government itself has helped to create the threat by forging ahead with oil development in southern territory under circumstances in which its residents have no right to participate in their own governance nor share the benefits of oil development. Brute force has been a key component of the government's oil development strategy.

The oil in the ground and flowing through the pipeline to the Red Sea supertanker port has driven expulsions from Western Upper Nile/Unity State, the area of the main oil production today. In earlier campaigns in the 1980s government troops and horsebacked militia of the Baggara, Arabized cattle nomads of Darfur and Kordofan, invaded from the northwest, destroying communities and expelling much of the population from the initial exploration areas, in Blocks 1, 2, and 4, dangerously situated on the north-south border of Sudan. (Map B)

In the 1990s the government embarked upon a more sophisticated displacement campaign, through the use of divide-and-conquer tactics: it bought off rebel factions and exacerbated south-south ethnic differences with arms supplies. Mostly Nuer factions with political and other grievances against the Dinka-officered rebel Sudan People's Liberation Movement/Army (SPLM/A, referred to as SPLA when discussing the military wing), emerged and a bloody south-south war ensued, concentrated in the oilfield areas. Campaigns of killing, pillage, and burning, enabled by government troops and air support for their southern allies who served as front troops, cleared the way for Western and Asian oil corporations to develop the basic infrastructure for oil extraction and transportation: rigs, roads, pumping stations, and pipelines.

The relationship of the war and displacement campaign to oil development is evident: the oil areas targeted for population clearance are those where a concession has been granted and a pipeline is imminent and/or nearby. The availability of the means of transport of oil to the market makes the nearest undeveloped block economically viable. The agro-pastoralists living there then become the target of forced displacement. Since 1999, when the pipeline was nearing completion and Blocks 1, 2, and 4 came on line with 150,000, then 230,000 barrels of crude oil produced daily, the main military theatre has been in the adjacent Block 5A. Oil revenues enable the government to increase its military hardware: it tripled its fleet of attack helicopters in 2001 with the purchase abroad of twelve new helicopters—used to deadly effect in the killing of twenty-four civilians at a relief food distribution site in early 2002, to cite only one example."

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/sudan1103/8.htm#_Toc54492561

Subject: RE: BS: Sudan
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 02:18 PM

If you don't know anything about it, how do you know anyone is being hypocritical about it? Sounds kind of hypocritical of you to adopt a posture of righteous indignation on a subject about which you admit you know very little.

Maybe you ought to spend some time learning more about what's going on there so you can have an informed opinion. Then we can talk about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sudan
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 01:58 PM

This one- I have never claimed to be the humanitarian- I am just upset about the hypocracy of all of you.

See my posts in other threads about it. That is what I know.

Subject: RE: BS: Sudan
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 01:02 PM

Bearded Bruce, where are the threads on the subject that you started?

Subject: RE: BS: Sudan
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 12:47 PM

beardedbruce, why don't you tell us what your understanding of the situation in Sudan is? I'm curious to know what you think you know about the situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Sudan
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 11:24 AM

ok, to be fair... When I go back to the beginning of the threads< I do find one more...

Lyr Req: The Sands of Sudan 4 04 Sep 02 - 08:22 AM

Should I go back beyond 1 year for Iraq, to balance this?

Subject: BS: Sudan
From: beardedbruce
Date: 08 Jun 04 - 11:02 AM

Please note:

BS: When will the U.N. go into Iraq? 15 08 Jun 04 - 04:09 AM Trace
BS: Iraqi women and the Koran 136* d 07 Jun 04 - 09:45 PM Trace
Lyr Add: Iraqi War Song 1 31 May 04 - 07:09 AM Trace
BS: Iraqis Beheading Americans 341* d 30 May 04 - 06:46 PM Trace
Innocent private contractors in Iraq? 26 22 May 04 - 03:17 AM Trace
BS: Bush's Exit Strategy for Iraq Revealed!! 9 17 May 04 - 02:47 AM Trace
BS: American Soldiers Torturing Iraqis 306* d 13 May 04 - 11:56 AM Trace
BS: Photos here of Iraqi prisoner abuse 83* d 12 May 04 - 11:15 AM Trace
BS: Meet the new US ambassador to Iraq 18 11 May 04 - 12:38 AM Trace
BS: Interesting article on Iraq War/Oil/Etc. 23 08 May 04 - 06:49 PM Trace
BS: As predicted: Quagmire Iraq 163* d 06 May 04 - 04:55 PM Trace
BS: Corporations fleeing Iraq 8 01 May 04 - 02:56 PM Trace
BS: Reconstruction in Iraq 9 25 Apr 04 - 11:01 PM Trace
BS: Iraqi Puppet leader embezzled millions 9 23 Apr 04 - 04:39 PM Trace
BS: Iraq Not Becoming Another Vietnam 60* d 13 Apr 04 - 07:25 PM Trace
BS: What?!?... As Iraq explodes... 69* d 13 Apr 04 - 02:06 PM Trace
BS: Iraqi Battalion Refuses to Fight Iraqis 56* d 13 Apr 04 - 01:09 PM Trace
BS: Iraq = Bush's Vietnam? 48 12 Apr 04 - 12:43 PM Trace
Lyr Add: The Price of Oil (anti iraqi war song) 5 06 Apr 04 - 04:03 PM Trace
BS: Iraq Ennui 2 26 Mar 04 - 06:50 PM Trace
BS: Media admits bungling Iraq coverage 18 25 Mar 04 - 05:11 PM Trace
BS: Most Iraquis better off 66* d 20 Mar 04 - 01:29 PM Trace
BS: The buildings NOT burning in Iraq 21 10 Mar 04 - 01:50 PM Trace
BS: Why did USA attack Iraq? 13 14 Feb 04 - 11:05 AM Trace
BS: Iraq,did you know? 14 22 Jan 04 - 05:09 PM Trace
BS: Latest Excuse for Invading Iraq.... 30 22 Jan 04 - 02:43 PM Trace
BS: Iraqnophobia - Sadman captured? 147* d 18 Dec 03 - 11:54 AM Trace
BS: What the HELL is going on in Iraq?? 53* d 18 Dec 03 - 09:48 AM Trace
BS: The Good Things about the Iraq Occupation 170* d 17 Dec 03 - 09:36 AM Trace
Alternative Christmas songs: Iraq 3 17 Dec 03 - 12:11 AM Trace
BS: Bush in Iraq : The rest of the Story 6 03 Dec 03 - 02:07 PM Trace
BS: Iraq Xmas carol 5 02 Dec 03 - 12:35 AM Trace
BS: US soldiers wed Iraqis? 20 04 Nov 03 - 04:01 PM Trace
BS: Iraqathon cartoon 7 29 Oct 03 - 01:24 PM Trace
BS: Operation Give - Toys for Iraqi Children 5 07 Oct 03 - 05:39 AM Trace
Anyone familiar with an Iraq dulcimer? 17 28 Sep 03 - 10:40 PM Trace
BS: W.O.M.D. Evidence Found In Iraq 11 28 Sep 03 - 06:50 PM Trace
BS: Iraqi War with apologies to Dr Seuss 11 13 Sep 03 - 12:24 AM Trace
BS: Iraq War Lies 100* d 30 Jul 03 - 04:00 AM Trace
BS: Today in Iraq 6 25 Jul 03 - 06:58 PM Trace
BS: Letter from Iraq 22 24 Jul 03 - 11:09 AM Trace
BS: Cheney's Energy Task Force & Iraqi Oil 4 22 Jul 03 - 10:50 AM Trace
New topical Iraq war song - yr comments? 12 23 Jun 03 - 01:47 AM Trace
BS: First Iraq, now Iran. Then North Korea 24 20 Jun 03 - 01:53 PM



A lot more Sudanese have been killed...

BS: Muslim genocide in Sudan 43 03 Jun 04 - 01:55 PM Trace
BS: Mass rapes in West Sudan 10 21 Mar 04 - 10:22 AM Trace

All of 53 entries, in the last year.... And where is the humanitarian outcry?

Should the US send troops in as peacekeepers to corrct the situation? If not, why not?