BS: Has Walmart been defeated?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 01:43 PM

"They are saying that Walmart had a decidely better relief effort in New Orleans than FEMA."

There were 50 SAR folks from Vancouver, Canada, who were in New Orleans to help before the then-director of FEMA knew there was a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 01:36 PM

They are saying that Walmart had a decidely better relief effort in New Orleans than FEMA.

It is partly true.
The administration weakens the federal agencies as he strengthens privatization of all things.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 01:08 PM

"Has Walmart been defeated?"

Someone declare war on Walmart?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: GUEST,a WalMart worker
Date: 24 Jan 08 - 01:00 PM

I work a very easy job and make 10.50 an hour and I could get decent benefits for low cost.I live in Indiana where cost of living is low but, all in all- they pay decent and give benefits to part timers.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 11:45 PM

No, Old, as usual, you've missed the point--maintaining your perfect record.

Congratulations.

There's a difference between grasping at straws and trying to nail jello to the wall---that is, trying to get a straight answer out of you. We both live in Maryland. There are facts about the Maryland law which can be ascertained with no chance for weasel room. I have provided said facts.

And if you disagree, you are welcome to say why.

It's easier to come to conclusions on a specific piece of legislation than to muck around in the swamp of generalizations--without support--which seems to be your habitat.

The Maryland situation is quite clear---and I did warn you earlier that I would not let you wander down your dead-end trails without eventually bringing you back to the path.

Gee, I wonder why you're unwilling to tell us why you advocate killing the bill.



To repeat--yet again:

1) Any attempt to cover firms with less than 10,000 employees would doom the bill.

2) All Walmart would have to do to obviate-- (look it up)-- the need for the bill, at all--would be to pay their employees sufficiently so they would not need Maryland taxpayers to pay for poor Walmart workers' Medicaid.

3) It obviously doesn't bother you to patronize a store which treats its own workers so poorly. Therefore you need not feel compelled to defend Walmart at all--since what they do is fine with you. The fact that you do so indicates that you do in fact feel guilty about it
And I wonder why that would be.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 14 Nov 06 - 01:55 PM

Where does Maryland appear in the title or the opening of this thread? You brought Maryland into it and now you are attempting to control what is presented

You have been reduced to clutching at straws and ad hominem attacks.

Are you saying 10,000 is fair? If so are states that have it set at less than 10,000 being unfair?

And last of all, do you consider it fair to target one company with a law?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 10:46 PM

Old-

-We are talking about the proposed Maryland bill. It pains me to have to point out to you that the bill only affects Maryland.   Duh, I wonder why.

And you have given absolutely no good reason why firms with less than 10,000 employees should be affected by that bill.

While I have given a fairly decent reason for not including them--i.e. that it would doom the bill.

If you ever do want to consider a political career--with your mastery of the great political skill of dodging the question--you might want to keep in mind that you actually like to have your bills passed, not defeated.

Hope you can grasp that. It's rather important.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 10:34 PM

"firms with less than 10,000 employees"

Why not 99 like other states? It is clear that you do not like equal justice. And you accuse me of being a hypocrite.

You can call me slow or use any demeaning descriptions you want but it does not conceal your unfair attitude. In fact it demonstrates your unfair, disrespectful attitude.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 10:25 PM

Old--

No, "Old"--for the n th time-----(you're even slower than usual):

I have pointed out that if you require firms with less than 10,000 employees to be subject to the bill, you doom the bill--and no firm is covered.

It's now obvious that's what you want.

So please spare us your hypocrisy about "all firms should be covered".

Thank you so much.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Nov 06 - 09:02 AM

Ah, yes, the America's Future Foundation- more conservatieve blogshite spew.

Must be fair & balanced & true, even.

Puh-leeze.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:01 PM

Yeah, my true agenda. Laws that do not single out one company. Laws that apply equally to all.

Your agenda is to attack one company that does 10%+- of the business and leave the rest that do 90%+- alone.


Looting Wal-Mart
by David Freddoso | Jan 22, 2006

...A better example of the perverse incentives and absurd results of government micro-management came to light last week in Maryland, where a few well-placed geniuses decided they were going to endanger thousands of jobs in their state in order to make a point. Democrats, who completely dominate the state House and Senate in Annapolis, overrode Gov. Bob Ehrlich's (R) veto of a bill requiring any business with more than 10,000 employees in the state to spend on health care an amount equal to 8% of its payroll.

Wal-Mart has 16,988 employees in Maryland, and it is the only private corporation that meets the 10,000 threshold. For that reason, the bill is widely known as "the Wal-Mart bill."

Regardless of how you feel about Wal-Mart, this bill is just plain stupid, and in too many ways even to explain in a 1,000 word column. But here are just a few of the absurdities that could result:

    * If Wal-Mart fires or relocates 6,989 Maryland employees, it will immediately be in compliance with this law. Maryland is a small state with lots of border, and a few stores just across the Delaware line could continue to serve many Maryland customers, without the burden of Maryland's sales tax.

    * Likewise, if Wal-Mart dismisses 6,989 employees and hires them back as independent contractors, it could skirt the new law and, in fact, avoid paying those workers any health benefits whatsoever or even payroll taxes.

    * Wal-Mart could also comply with this law by reducing its employees' salaries, but spending the same amount it does now on health care, as long as the latter number comes out to 8% of the former.

The stated reason for this bill is that Wal-Mart pays its workers so little that they cannot afford the company health plan, which is inexpensive if minimal. This ends up costing the state when Wal-Mart workers sign up for Medicaid.

Entirely aside from the fact that this is a problem of Maryland's welfare generosity more than Wal-Mart's stinginess, Maryland is getting the better end of this deal. According to its web site, Wal-Mart paid $112.2 million in Maryland sales taxes and $13.2 million in other state and local taxes in 2004. It also employs thousands of Marylanders directly and tens of thousands of others indirectly through its dealings with in-state vendors -- and they all pay state taxes too.

Wal-Mart's full-time associates in Maryland make an average of $9.97 per hour, plus a four percent contribution to their 401k. It's not a great package -- it comes out to about $21,000, plus an occasional bonus -- but there's more to the story than that number alone.

The lower-paying Wal-Mart jobs attract those who would have trouble getting a job that pays more -- young people getting a first job, poor and unskilled workers, and recent immigrants (including illegal ones, as the government discovered last spring). Moreover, Wal-Mart says that 220,000 of its 1.3 million workers in the U.S. are older than 55, suggesting that many employees are looking to supplement their retirement. The workforce is also disproportionately female (775,000 women work for Wal-Mart), suggesting that a Wal-Mart income may be a second income for many families.

If Wal-Mart scales back its presence in Maryland because of the state legislature's hostility toward businesses, it is the workers and the unemployed who will suffer. Until this bill passed, Wal-Mart had been planning to build a distribution center in economically depressed Somerset County, on Maryland's Eastern Shore. The facility would have brought 800 jobs to the area. The company may now decide to relocate a few miles in either direction, either to Delaware or to peninsular Virginia, both of which are nearby.

It's All About the Unions

So you might say that this law hurts those it is intended to help. But you would be wrong. The Wal-Mart bill was never intended to help the workers at Wal-Mart. It is intended to help Democrats and labor unions.

This bill is part of a nationwide campaign by labor unions to recover their rapidly declining share of the U.S. labor market. In 1945, unions represented 35% of the labor force. Today they have fallen to 12.5%. In the private sector, unions represent a mere 7.8%, and they have become desperate for more members. In recent years, they have tried, in vain, to find fresh blood by opening into new sectors of the economy.

Wal-Mart is big enough to qualify as its own sector of the economy, meaning that if the unions can get a toe-hold in its stores, they will have an excellent crack at the company's million-plus employees, plus a good shot at creating closed shops in some states.

Most Democratic politicians would lose their jobs if unions stopped contributing millions of dollars for political campaigns and thousands of bodies on Election Day. The decline of unionism has been disastrous for the Democrats, and its resurrection would be a political boon. For that and no other reason did the Maryland legislature pass this bill, and for the same reason they will try it in other states as well. The United Food and Commercial Workers Union, which has been unsuccessful in unionizing any Wal-Mart workers to date, will continue to harass Wal-Mart until it capitulates.

There are plenty of legitimate objections to Wal-Mart -- the China issue, the poor quality of their merchandise, the gaudiness of their stores -- and the unionization campaign has adopted many of them in its rhetoric. But you can bet your last dime that the minute the union campaigners descend upon the Wal-Mart host organism, you will never again hear their heart-rending paeans to the disappearing Mom-and-Pop stores of old.

In the meantime, union-friendly state legislatures can take a cheap shot at helping their political allies by preventing their citizens from taking jobs. Perhaps those 800 unemployed Marylanders in Somerset County will find some other way to survive, such as going on welfare or laundering money for my Nigerian business partner.

David Freddoso, a native of Indiana, is a political reporter for Evans and Novak Inside Report.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 12 Nov 06 - 11:40 AM

OK Old Guy--10,000 employees, not $10,000. You are correct.

But the point remains--anybody who advocates that all firms in Maryland, not just those with 10,000 employees, would be subject to the bill's provisions, is in fact advocating the death of the bill--since small business would then oppose it even more strongly than they did.

Small business' fear of being included in the bill's purview is the main reason for the opposition to the bill.

Given that, do you want any business with less than 10,000 employees in Maryland to be covered?

If so, your true agenda becomes clear.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 11 Nov 06 - 07:19 PM

Ah, thats 10,000 employees not "(not just the $10,000 threshold)"

You just spelled it yourself.


And that is what I call someone who want one rule for one company but not another company just because they don't like that company.

Do you believe in justice for all or selective justice?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:48 PM

You never learn--do you, Old?

I've told you more than once that if there was a move to cover all retailers in Maryland (not just the $10,000 threshold)--that would kill the bill faster than anything. Fear of that is precisely why the main small business organization in Maryland opposed the bill.

Why do I get the distinct impression that the death of the bill--from any cause--would not bother you in the slightest?

Can you spell H Y P O C R I T E?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:31 PM

Again just personal attacks and no facts.

You know, I would be in favor of that Maryland law if it covered all retailers equally.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Don Firth
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 10:23 PM

None you would believe. But that's no surprise. When the facts run contrary to your prejudices, you just ignore them anyway.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 08 Nov 06 - 09:12 PM

All you can do is make false personal accusations because you cannot produce facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 10:16 PM

And you believe they're all like that?

For every crooked one, there are tens of thousands of honest, conscientious merchants. But if you're that paranoid, maybe you'd better just stick with what makes you feel safe and secure. With all those crybaby liberals out there, you have enough to be apprehensive about.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:31 PM

This is one of those friendly local merchants that Walmart is supposedly driving out of business unfairly.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 09:20 PM

And how does this relate, Old Guy? Are you saying that only Wal-Mart can be trusted--and nobody else?

What a nervous life you lead.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:48 PM

Shop owner arrested in debit card scam

By BRAD WONG
P-I REPORTER

Redmond police have arrested the owner of a local smoke shop after dozens of customers who used their debit cards at his store discovered that their bank accounts had been siphoned.

One customer, a businessman, took a client to lunch, and the restaurant declined his debit card. Some victims suffered $900 in losses. Others took hits as high as $3,000, police said...
...Police believe the owner of Smoker's Choice, in the Overlake area, stole financial information from skimming customers' cards, but also somehow captured their PINs.

With that information, withdrawals were made from casinos in Las Vegas and California, said Officer Stacey Holland, a Redmond police spokeswoman. Police estimate monetary losses in excess of $100,000.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Nov 06 - 08:52 AM

Ron's obviously engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 11:33 PM

Are you going to continue to defend those rip off local merchants that screw people every chance they get?

Some people need something to cry and moan about or they are not happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 08:23 PM

Yeah, I just remembered a Mom N Pop store we visited in Presidio Texas right on the border. This place was so dinky there was nothing but Mom & Pops there and Mexicans were walking over to buy stuff.

Well sir we went into this charming local hardware store where they were still selling wash tubs, washboards and cast iron irons like you put on the stove to heat up.

They were selling 14" black and white TV's to the Mexicans for $299. Three times the going rate. How warm and friendly and charming these little locally owned shops are.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:16 PM

Old--


Some people need to pinch every penny. Somehow I don't think you're one. And as I've already pointed out, in Maryland there are a lot of other options than Walmart to save money.
Do I need to spell them out again?

That you continue to shop at Walmart despite their wretched record, particularly in taking care of their own people, says worlds about you.

If that's fine with you, then you need not be so defensive--by trying to defend Walmart. That you continue to do so shows that you do in fact feel guilty about it.

And I wonder why that would be.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:07 PM

Hell, I'm no crybaby liberal! Human decency be damned, I saved a whole 78¢!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 06 Nov 06 - 05:44 AM

Bill/ Number 6: I have been to that Walmart and people were streaming across the border to buy things.

I have also been to a Walmart on the border in Texas where peole were streaming across the border to buy things, mostly disposable diapers.

So are they dumb or smart or just selfish for not want to spend more money than they need to?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: number 6
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:50 PM

Remember K-Mart?

Whatever happened to them ... were they defeated?

biLL

I don't know what is happening to me ... but I shopped at Walmart again ... 2nd time in 2 months ... bought a Canon digital for $149 at the Walmart in Rockland Maine ... jeeezuz, why not, the same damn camera goes for $249 at the SuperStore electronics section back home in New Brunswick (Canada) ... Hell, I saved at least $88.00 with the currency conversion ... I mean wouldn't you throw away all ethics and morality to save $88.00?

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Slag
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 09:27 PM

Sounds like you have a plan there dianavan. I'm all for you and when you decide to go public I'll invest in your enterprize.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 03:21 PM

Govt. incentives to small businesses.

Grants for the re-vitalization of small towns.

Universal health care.

Less money for war, more money for education.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 03:03 PM

Please explain your master plan to save the poor from the Walmart Menace.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 02:38 PM

Do they realize how many lower income voters depend on Walmart?

...and why feed the dependency?

Why not solve the problem by creating viable alternatives?

You seem to think that WalMart and other big box retailers are there to help the poor. They are not. They target the poor.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 01:55 PM

Well, life is what you make of it.

In case anybody still thinks I love Walmart, I had a miserable experience there yesterday.

A super center opened recently in Frederick MD. My wife and I went there for the first time and it was not good. My wife asked at the dell counter for sliced ham and they were out and tried to give her something else. She got some packaged ham. I couldn't find everything I wanted and had to settle for something else. I didn't see any bargains anywhere.

To top it off the checkout person was nearly blind. She had to use a magnifying glass hung around her neck on a chain to focus in on numbers. We had some bread from the bakery. The bar code label was wrinkled and it would not scan. Th numbers did not work when punched in. The price was evident but she couldn't sell it to us with out the department numbers. We told her to skip it and got bread elsewhere.

Now that Sam is gone they are losing the culture that he created in the company. They are trying to go upscale and they are screwing up.

Another company will overtake them eventually.

All that being said, It is a mistake to zero in on the largest retailer for any legislation. If they sell 10% of stuff imported from China, Who sells the other 90%? Why let them off of the hook?

There are other companies with a higher percentage of employees or children on state health plans. Why let them pass?

And I think it is a lame political party that tries to use the demonization of a company as a political platform. Do they realize how many lower income voters depend on Walmart?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 11:06 AM

"The commies and the pinkos"--ah yes, a typical objective statement.

Then there are those of us,, believe it or not, who would like Walmart to carry its own weight--as, in Maryland for instance, either paying their own workers well enough so they do not have to go on Medicaid--or if not, contributing enough to the state Medicaid fund to make up the difference, as specified in the bill recently passed by the Maryland legislature--the bill which is now tied up in the courts--for aspects unrelated to the issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Slag
Date: 05 Nov 06 - 02:32 AM

Hi OG! No, I finally got rid of the Flintstonemobile but I kinda wish I could have it back ('70 Chevy 1/2 ton) only fixed up. I fill up with an eyedropper at Lakeport Express (Sri Chandreskar on the register). I do have a coal oil lamp I like to use (green ornate glass base) but when I read late at night I use a 25 w bulb as I do tend to drift off. I'd rather pay SMUD than PG&E but I have no choice. Love them bananas too, all year long. If you read my previous posts you'd see I'm more on your side than the other, you pugnacious old rasccal! As I said, that's just my personal preferences. Wal-Mart has every right to do what they do and more power to them. If you want to shop there, go right ahead. If you want to work there, be my guest! If you don't like the pay or the way they treat you go somewhere else. It's still a free country. I'm all for the entrepreneur, the risk takers, movers and shakers. They create the jobs and make America go. There are things I don't like about either side of the arguement in the affairs of labor and management but you know, Life is a struggle and without the struggle, we don't grow. It's just another pendulum swing. In with the good air, out with the bad, up down, up down, Life's rhythms. In all Wal-Mart performs a good service, not the best but good. It took aim at the center of the bell-shaped curve and nailed it! The commies and pinkos and far-left leaning types hate to see someone get rich off a good idea or their hard work and sacrifice. In their twisted way of thinking, they think the successful owe them something, kinda like the other barnyard animals in the story about the Little Red Hen. It's not enough that they provide jobs, commodities and services. They think that the wealth should be taken from they successful and given to the ne'er do wells. I know that's an over simplification but I'm not going to recap the History of the World here. I'll just refer you back to my observations on give and take and the rhythms of Life. My personal prefences are based more on nostalga than anything but my bias runs to the right. Just remember that without the left bias there would be no fabric!

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 04 Nov 06 - 01:32 AM

Slag:

I suppose you drive a flinstonesmobile whipped up by your friendly local neighborhood auto factory.

And fuel it up at your friendly local neighborhood microrefinery.

And you use candles from your friendly local neighborhood candlemaker to read by at night instead of that infernal megacorp electricity.

Bananas in the middle of winter? That's for monkeys.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Slag
Date: 04 Nov 06 - 12:51 AM

Thank you Ron. That's all I WAS trying to do. Be entertaining. I thought the Don Quixote thing just kinda fit. And personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. If I have any slant at all it's against corporate giants in general. I like the uniqueness and community that small, personally owned businesses give to there neighborhoods. I seldom enter the Walmart that's in the next city west of here (Ukiah). I won't eat at Mickey D's or Burger King for the same reason (as well as the fact that I can't stand their "food"). Giantism has it's place in the evolutionary model and in bio-systems of the past it held sway for very long stretches of time. It is an interesting situation to observe. On the human front I don't like to see anybody get hurt. Big things like governments and large corporations should have the best interest of ALL people, customer and employee alike, citizen and public servant alike at heart. When I can, I pay the higher price and try to support the local merchants as much as possible but that's increasingly difficult to do on a fixed pension and limited income. I consider it a form of voting, where I shop and what I buy or refuse to buy.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 06:36 PM

Joe or somebody blow this spam off of here please.

Subject: Buy Sidekick 3 for $130 Dell laptop for $350
From: GUEST,Micheal
Date: 01 Nov 06 - 05:48 PM

PREST BUSY WORLD MOBILE PHONES LIMITED.
CURRENT PRICE LIST OF GSM PHONES FOR YOUR REFERENCE ALL PHONES/PDA ARE
BRAND NEW SIM FREE/OPEN LINES/UNLOCK.
THE KINDS OF SIDEKICKS ARE LISTED
BELOW:

[e-mail]

Green Lrg limited edition Sidekick 3.....................$170
1996 Transfer Case: Sidekick 1996, and 1997 automatic....$130 usd
Sidekick Basic Kit.......................................$140 usd
Sidekick II T-Mobile Cell Phone with Color Screen........$110 usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 2 Danger Cell Phone....................$120 usd
T-Mobile Sidekick II TMO to Go Prepaid Phone.............$135 usd
Mobile Sidekick II.......................................$95 usd
ProTop 2 Piece Hardtop Suzuki Vitara / Chevy Tracker.....$130 usd
Protop 2 Piece Hardtop for Sidekick / Tracker ...........$145 usd
Original Extended Carbox Package 1989-1998...............$135 usd
Original Extended Carbox Sidekick/Tracker&............$125usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 2 Danger Cell Phone....................$110 usd
SIDEKICK 3 for just......................................$160 usd

LAPTOPS

Dell Latitude C640 1.8GHz P4 Laptop w/CD-RW......$350USD
Dell Inspiron XPS M140 Notebook Computer for Home.....$480USD
Sony VAIO FS540P - Pentium M 730 1.6 GHz - 15.4" TFT...$500USD
Sony Intel Pentium M 100GB Notebook Computer with DVD+/-R/RW Drive...$550USD
ThinkPad G40 2389 - C 2.5 GHz - 14.1" TFT IBM.....$580USD
Panasonic Toughbook 18 Touchscre......$500USD
HP Compaq Business Notebook nc8230 - Pentium M 760 2 GHz - 15.4"
TFT...$950USD
HP Compaq Mobile Workstation nw8240 - Pentium M 760 2 GHz - 15.4"
TFT...$780USD
Archos Av700s portable recorder.....................$200usd
Archos Av 700 portable recorder......................$180usd
Archos pma 400 jukebox.....................$180

Cameral

Casio exilim ex-s500......................$200usd
Samsung digimax 15.............$220usd
Panasonic sv-as3.............................$230usd
Ricoh caplio R2.........................$210usd
Nikon 5 coolpix 4600................$250usd
Sony cybershot Dsc.............................$250usd

Mobile Phones

Nokia n90........................$150usd
Nokia n80...............................$130usd
Nokia n91.........................$160usd
Nokia 6280....................$130usd
Nokia 7710 Smartphone............$160usd
Nokia 6680..........................$170usd
Nokia n93........................$220usd
Nokia n92.....................$160usd
Nokia E70........................$120usd
Nokia 9210..................$145usd
Nokia n70..........................$120usd
Nokia 8800...........................$150usd
Nokia 9300...................$150usd
Nokia 9500.................................$155usd
Nokia 6230....................$120usd
Nokia 3250.....................................$130usd
Nokia 3200............................$80
Nokia 3220...................................$90
Nokia 3300.......................$70
Nokia 3660................$75
Nokia 5100..............$70
Nokia 5140..................$80
Nokia 6100..............$50
Nokia 6108..................$60
Nokia 6220.......................$70
Nokia 6230..................$90
Nokia 6230i.............................$110
Nokia 6260.....................$120
Nokia 6270..............................$180
Nokia 6600...................$100
Nokia 6630............................$90
Nokia 6610...................$70
Nokia 6610i..............................$90
Nokia 6650....................$120
Nokia 6670 Smartphone.....$160
Nokia 6820..................................$70
Nokia 7200...........................$80
Nokia 7210......................$60
Nokia 3230...............................$140
Nokia 7610.....................$120
Nokia 9300...................$150
Nokia 7250.........................$70
Nokia 7250i...................$75
Nokia 7260.....................$160
Nokia 7200..............................$110
Nokia 7600....................$90
Nokia 7610................................$120
Nokia 8910i.......................$140
Nokia 8910i.................................$140
Nokia 9210iCommunicator...................$160usd
Nokia 9300 Communicator............$170usd
Nokia N-Gage.........................$180usd
Nokia N-gage QD..........................$200usd
Nokia 6680......................$130usd
Nokia 6681..................$135usd
Nokia 6060...................$120
Nokia 6111....................................$130usd
PDA's
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4150 ========= $190
Asus MyPal A716 ================= $175
HP IPaq Pocket PC H4350 ========= $185
Toshiba Pocket PC E405 ========== $120
Sony Clie PEG-TH55 ============== $155
Toshiba Pocket PC E800 ========== $220
PalmOne Zire 72================== $120
PalmOne Tungsten E ============== $90
PalmOne Tungsten C ============== $140
PalmOne Zire 31 ================= $65
palm Treo 650=====================$200
Sony Ericsson K500i...............$130usd
Sony Ericsson P800.............$140usd
Sony Ericsson P900.........................$160usd
Sony Ericsson P910i................$180usd
Sony Ericsson T230..............$80usd
Sony Ericsson T310......$80usd
Sony Ericsson T610......................$90usd
Sony Ericsson Z1010..............$185usd
Sony Ericsson Z200......$90usd
Sony Ericsson Z600.......................$120usd
Sony Ericssson T630..............$130usd
Sony Ericsson S700i...................$120usd
Sony Ericsson S750i............$125usd
Samsung D500..............$160usd
Samsung E600.....................140usd
Samsung E800.............$180 usd
Samsung P510..........................$120usd
Samsung SGH-D410............$180usd
Samsung SGH-D500...............$200usd
Samsung SGH-E700.............$150usd
Samsung SGH-E715...........................$170usd
Samsung SGH-P100..............$140usd
Samsung SGH-P400.........................$90usd
Samsung SGH-P408.............$170usd
Samsung SGH-P730...........................$150usd
Samsung SGH-S200...............$90usd
Samsung SGH-S300.........................$70usd
Samsung SGH-S300M..............$100usd
Samsung SGH-S500.........................$100usd
Samsung SGH-V200............$110usd
Samsung SGH-X400...............................$100usd
Samsung SGH-X430........................$95usd
Samsung SGH-X600.................$90usd
Samsung X450.................$85usd
Motorola A388C.....................$130usd
Motorola A760.................$150usd
Motorola A768............................$200usd
Motorola A768i..............$180usd
Motorola A780......................$200usd
Motorola C550..................$90usd
Motorola C650...............................$100usd
Motorola E365.............$100usd
Motorola E398................................$120usd
Motorola E680...............$150usd
Motorola RAZR V3..................$85usd
Motorola V220..................$100usd
Motorola V303.......$100usd
Motorola V400........................$130usd
Motorola V500.......$150usd
MotorolaV501......................$200usd
Motorola V525.............$120usd
Motorola V600 (OEM) w/ Bluetooth Headset..$150usd
Motorola V600 OEM...$130usd
Motorola V690.....140usd
Motorola V750....................$120usd
Motorola V80......$130usd
Motorola V80 with Bluetooth..............$145usd
Motorola V872.........................$148usd
Motorola V878...............$150usd
Motorola V300............$150usd
FOR MORE INFROMATION ABOUT OUR PRODUCT,YOU CAN CONTACT US ON OUR VARIOUS

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 31 Oct 06 - 09:43 AM

"Did you write this--yes or no?"

No, I did not write that. It was written by:

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Don Firth - PM
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 02:59 PM

Old Guy, I'm quite sure that Wal-Mart does indeed sell a few products made in this country. But their number is few compared to the products that are "outsourced." You are a great one for picking out one single example to point at in an attempt to prove your point while there are hundreds of examples to contradict your position.

The fact that you keep trying to attribute it to me to points out your feebleness.

Have you got any facts yet or just innacurate assertions that I cannot afford to heat my house?

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Oct 06 - 07:12 PM

Old--

So sorry to hear you can't afford to heat your house.

Re: "False accusations":

23 Oct 2006 12:20 AM:

"I'm quite aware that Wal-Mart does indeed sell a few products made in this country . But their number is few compared to the products that are outsourced."

Did you write this--yes or no?

If you don't, at a minimum, start reading what you write--before--or even after--you write it, I will be forced unwillingly to the conclusion that you are the feeblest excuse for a debate partner ever to grace Mudcat.

The least you can do is take responsibility for what you write.

Otherwise you may just qualify as an idiot--and a dishonest one at that.

And, I'm sorry to say, not worth debating.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 29 Oct 06 - 12:26 AM

I am freezing my ass off while waiting for some facts or answers from you.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 28 Oct 06 - 09:09 AM

Old--

We will finish with the Maryland question. We both live in Maryland.   We have spent a lot of time on it--and were approaching a resolution, I believe. There's a lot of information on the question.

If you can't stand the heat...

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 12:23 AM

RD:

I think it is time for you to really get serious and come up with something more that nit pickery and false accusations.

Please answer the Asplunduh question? If it is not too difficult for you to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:04 PM

Old--


It's also interesting that all of a sudden you're not denying that you admitted Walmart sells few items made in the US.

Amazing what quoting your own words back to you can do.


And all you'd have to do to avoid absurd embarrassments like that would be to actually read what you write--before--or even after--you write it.

So sorry if checking what you write is against the Bushite creed--but then, so is thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:00 PM

Sorry "Old"--

We'll have to finish with the Maryland situation before we start on any other state regarding the health coverage issue. As you may recall, we did begin dealing with it. I actually thought we'd finish--that I'd get some straight answers out of you--but the thread was led down other paths.

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about the Maryland question--which is, after all, the clearest example of Walmart's malfeasance (look it up).

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:03 AM

Here is the original quote from DF that I have erroniously attributed to RD:

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Don Firth - PM
Date: 15 Oct 06 - 02:59 PM

Old Guy, I'm quite sure that Wal-Mart does indeed sell a few products made in this country. But their number is few compared to the products that are "outsourced." You are a great one for picking out one single example to point at in an attempt to prove your point while there are hundreds of examples to contradict your position.

I do not agree with his statement.

Are you running out of material?

Are you ready to answer the Asplunduh question yet or do you need more time? That is if it does not cause you any undue stress.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:40 AM

Doug--

Interesting that you for some reason neglect to state WHY Walmart stock is up---though not even close to what it reached back around 2000--it's been in the doldrums ever since.


According to the Wall St Journal--which might possibly know about such things--the stock is up since it appears Walmart is starting to be more realistic about its classically stupid overexpansion lately--and cutting back on said expansion. With so many reverses recently, from being forced to withdraw from Germany and South Korea, to being stymied so far after years of trying to set up a bank--opposed by, among others, Alan Greenspan-- to declines in sales of womens' clothes due to an ill-considered attempt to go "high fashion" --to being clobbered in same-store sales by Target--in the same sales area----Walmart has been forced to pull in its horns.

Yes, I know you will claim you are "pulling my chain".   Uh, I don't think so--I'm just correcting the record--Lord knows we can't depend on you for anything objective.

Sure would be nice if you'd do just a bit of research before honoring us with your pithy remarks.

But you're a Bushite---I suppose I have to be realistic in accepting that proud ignorance is the Bushite's raison d'etre.

Not that I would want to pull your chain, you understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:23 AM

Old--

I have quoted you from your posting of 23 Oct 2006 12:20 AM--in case you can't find your own posting.

Subject: RE: BS: Has Walmart been defeated?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:19 AM

Old-----

"their number is few compared with the products that are outsourced".--direct quote from you.   Either you can't write a clear sentence--no surprise there, I suppose--or you are indeed saying that Walmart sells few products made in the US.