BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 02:50 PM

I missed out two signifucant words... So here goes again:

I imagine he'd sooner join New Labour, since they are the ones in power, which is what really matters. But I don't suppose either lot will have him.

Of course, if telling lies was a disqualification in itself, there'd be an awful lot of empty spaces on both front benches, and the back benches as well.

They say Alastair Campbell is thinking of jacking it in - now there's a job for a creative mind like Jeffrey...

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 02:21 PM

I imagine he'd sooner join New Labour, since they are the ones , which is what really matters. But I don't suppose either lot will have him.

Of course, if telling lies was a disqualification in itself, there'd be an awful lot of empty spaces on both front benches, and the back benches as well.

They say Alastair Campbell is thinking of jacking it in - now there's a job for a creative mind like Jeffrey...

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Gareth
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 02:08 PM

I am looking forward to that A*** reentering the Tory Party.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: C-flat
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 01:50 PM

Prepare for another Sunday Exclusive. Now that He-Who-Should-Not-Be-Named has been released from custody I expect a flurry of media activity, particularly from those that didn't get the latest diary extracts deal.
The Dark Lord will be re-inventing himself as we write!

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 21 Jul 03 - 09:18 AM

he,got,out,today,
i,stil,don't,lick,him.john

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 02:57 PM

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

AND the good news is I am not deaf

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: brid widder
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 03:02 PM

Mr Red... John fron you know wher9e reshefed this thread rather than syart another... apparently M'lawd is to be released on July 21st

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 01:11 PM

I just told my father about Lord Archer, and he said aye he'll be sitting in the alongside those other crooks. aye in both houses.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 12:04 PM

I did not think he had much appeal any way.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 11:22 AM

yes he's still a Lord

why?
How I long for the revoloution

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: GUEST,Mr Red listening to the radio
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 10:41 AM

Have I missed something here or am I going deaf? didn't I hear on the Radio the month of July mentioned? and why would they mention July if the appeal failed? Tell me I heard wrong - please.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 10:35 AM

All the Tories I loathed to skin crawling proportions are dead or mad.

hey Skipjack that's one helluva mortuary they got in that asylum of yours.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Jun 03 - 05:11 AM

Gareth,

James Booth played the part of Private Hook in the film "ZULU" not Harry Corbet.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Gareth
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 07:32 PM

Well Kevin, if you bothered to read those parts of the "Graniad" which don't support your point of view, you will be aware that a Parlimentary Bill to deprive Peers of thier titles, after conviction of a crime. without an Act of Attainder is promised.

And I am sure that as an former Social Worker you should be aware of the provisions of political disqualification running after completion of the term of sentance. (5 years)

Gareth.

For Information A Peerage (Lord) requires a specific act of Parlimant ( Act of Attainder ) to remove.

A Kinghthood (Sir) can be stricken by a decision of Her Majesty, as can any Medal or Order, awarded for conduct. Vide the removal of the Knighthood of "Sir" Anthony Blunt, or the OBE (?) of Lester Piggot.

A Medal for Gallantry can not be removed or stricken. Vide the "Hook" case, Private Hook ( as played in the film 'Zulu' by Harry Corbet) was convicted of robbery with violence after his discharge from the Army. Private Hook was awarded the Victoria Cross at the Battle of Rouke's Drift, after his conviction there were attemps to strip him of that honour

The ruling of the then Chief of the Army Council - Lord Roberts of Khandar - was simple. "Even if convicted of a Capital Crime, the felon is entitled to wear his medals for gallentry on the Gallows"

Logical when you think of it.

GW - "And they'r hanging Danny Deever in the morning"

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: brid widder
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 06:01 PM

he'll use the experience as the background for his next book...what I can't understand is why he's still a 'lord'and therefore will have a part to play in making laws for honest people to live by!! Now if there's any room for reform that must be it!... well at least he won't end up as Lord Chancellor.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 05:49 PM

He could try for New Labour this time...

Does he still have a seat in the House of Lords?

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Gareth
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 04:38 PM

Personaly I can't wait ti see him renter politics

Gareth *BG*

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Les from Hull
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 03:14 PM

What will be truly disgusting will be to see him on the chat show circuit. We should write to the producers of any shows that feature him to register our disgust (those of us who are/will be disgusted). Of course his supporters can write in with their support. We're only telling the truth after all!

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: alanabit
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 02:56 PM

He is a liar, a cheat, a thief and a bully. He has had two years banged up in a pig sty. As Fionn quite rightly commented earlier, our prisons are a national disgrace. That is ample retribution for me. Let us just hope that he retires quietly into the obscurity which his mediocrity as a man (let alone as an author) merits.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 02:29 PM

I'm sorry that Jeffery Archer's appeal failed, I mean he was a nice man, and a good man.

And me I'm just a loony, that really doesn't give a f.... for the Archers or the Party that he once belonged to.

That's the best news I have heard.

Great, I am over the moon.

Tom

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 02:10 PM

Well, all he really did was cheat, lie and steal. Compared with what his colleagues in his line of work did and do to really hurt people, he was relatively innocuous.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 12:54 PM

Yes supposedly only serving half his sentence because of good behaviour - like going to parties when he was supposed to be on a home visit! Whole thing stinks!

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 18 Jun 03 - 12:06 PM

it,said,on,the,news,that,he,can,get,out,of
jail,in,julie.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: The Walrus
Date: 28 Sep 02 - 04:55 AM

The really silly thing about this incedent is that it was so unnecessary, there was a chap from the open prison on theradio who pointed out that if JA had asked permission to attend the party, it would probably have been given and that's the end of it, but of course, Archer assumed that he was above the rules. Oh well, at least Mary knows what to gifts to buy for him , tobacco for trade and a lot of soap-on-a-rope.

Walrus

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: GUEST,Les Jones
Date: 28 Sep 02 - 03:54 AM

He has the same attitude as some of the toffs in the Countryside Alliance. Sort of - how dare you lowlifes challenge anything we do or say. Listening to Mr or Mrs Archer or the CA is interesting for a while because no logical thread of ideas or arguments can be discerned.

Lest we forget what I wretched bunch of liars and cheats they all were, Edwina Currie pops up today owning up to a 4 year affair with John Major in order to sell her Diaries! Perhaps she was the reason he had his underpants on over his trousers.

References to Archer in the press, Radio & TV are pretty visious. Is it because they fell for his lies more than most?

Celebrate!

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 28 Sep 02 - 03:43 AM

Still sniggering here..... OK so other prisoners abuse the system as well.... but are they stupid enough to be observed doing it?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Sonnet
Date: 27 Sep 02 - 03:25 PM

All the way along, he's appeared to think himself above the law. I haven't stopped grinning yet from watching last night's news.

JMcS

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Fiolar
Date: 27 Sep 02 - 09:07 AM

My heart bleeds for the poor chap. Imagine, no more driving to "work" in Lincoln in his car five days a week. No more lunches in restauarants and the loss of the key to his room at the open prison must be heart-breaking. Still, cheer up Jeffrey. You are staying in a place (i.e. Lincoln Jail) which once housed DeValera and who went on to become President of Ireland. Trouble is I don't see any Michael Collins on the horizon waiting to help you to escape.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 27 Sep 02 - 07:48 AM

Not a chance, he's too stupid to learn to be humble!
BJ

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Sep 02 - 07:21 PM

Archer back in closed prison tonight.
Lady Archer can't understand what he has done.
attended a party while on home leave.
Now will they believe us when we exhibit incredulity at his apparent freedom while serving a prison sentence? It IS a punishment after all. I would settle for a educative course on humility but would it work?

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 08:59 AM

Greg, I'm pretty sure jOhn's right on this one. I know him a lot better than Jeffrey (we share instruments) and he's never licked me either.

Skipjack

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: greg stephens
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 04:28 AM

Are you sure, John, I've noticed you are a little vague sometimes after closing time.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 08:48 PM

I never licked him anyway.john

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 07:20 PM

"corruption in public places"? I've been trying to make sense of what the did, I didnt really follow the case.Didnt he just indulge in a bit of extra-curricular rumpy-pumpy and lied to get out of difficulty? Not very moral, perhaps, but hardly what Herbert Morrison was talking about.He was referring to politicians/civil servants taking bribes to influence policy. Or did Jeffrey Archer do this as well? As I said before, I get confused between him and Jonathan Aitken.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Gareth
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 07:02 PM

As Liz said, what was the appeal of Archer anyway. Now his appeal is dead and burried whats the betting he finds God, or is diagnosed with some 'imcurable disease ' which he, upon release from Prison he miraculasly recovers from.

These seem to be the standad way out of the jail for White Collar Criminals.

BTW, as there seems to be some thread drift on this I remind catters of the words of the late Herbert Morrison, Lord Morrison of Lambeth, a former British Home Secretary, who had to make the decisions on reprieves and pardons. " If I had the choice on capital punishment, I would retain it for one crime, and one crime only, that of Coruption in Public Office".

I agree with him on that.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 02:26 PM

Sorry about the mistaken identity Fionn. No offence (or flattery intended).

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 02:14 PM

How do all you folks know his books are so bad? Youve not been, sort of,reading them have you?

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 02:13 PM

How do all you folks know his books are so bad? Youve not been, sort of,reading them have you?

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 01:59 PM

I think it's really sad! Those poor prisoners - nothing they did could have deserved having Archer locked up with them - still they could always borrow his novels for toilet paper.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: C-flat
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 10:28 AM

Jeffery Archer must have got under the skin of some fairly powerful people over the years. There is clearly a broad section of people who want to see him crying for mercy.
There's no doubt he has lied to the courts, the media and, presumably, his wife on many issues but that doesn't make him worse than many other people who live under the public gaze.
I've never met the man, so my opinion of him is gleaned from the media, but he seems self-serving and arrogant with few, if any, friends. The one friend he did trust to provide him with an alibi for his meeting with a prostitute didn't hesitate to spill the beans when cornered and I can't help feeling that Archer is one of those people who go through life with one finger poised over the self-destruct button.
He is obviously a capable and intelligent man, his books are sure-thing best sellers so a lot of folk must like them and he was, at one time, the golden boy of Conservative politics.
It seems to me that, although the press were intent on destroying him, other people were feeding the press in the certain knowledge that a flawed character such as Archers' was bound to trip himself up.
I don't know why Archer was singled out for special treatment but I would bet that there are people in positions of trust and authority whose crimes are worse but who are simply better at managing their indiscretions.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 09:35 AM

LOL Ritchie! But I really do like Hague. (So as a decent socialist I was glad to see the Tories dump him for what they've got now.) Oh, and I loathe Kilroy-Silk.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Ritchie
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 08:38 AM

Ok Fionn, I apologise for the case of mistaken identity and I was only kidding about liking William Hague. Personally I think they should let Harold Shipman use the skills he was taught and well versed in. They should let him practise amongst the prisoners. I bet not many would report as sick and it might deter some people from a life of crime if they knew he was going to look after them.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 08:20 AM

Fionn is a "he" by the way alanabit! (As in Fionn McComhaill or Fin McCool.)

Liz, it's beginning to ring a bit hollow. IT sounds like your prejudice comes down to speculation and suspicion. No point prolonging it, I just want to set you straight on the bit you quoted.

Let me put it another way. There is no death penalty, hence you see no-one protesting against it. If there was, you would see me, for one, protesting (against the death penalty). I think killing people is wrong Period. Understand?

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Ritchie
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 08:19 AM

Will he get booed when he comes out of prison ? Will there be a crowd with banners and slogans ? And will Davina be there to greet & comfort him ? What great television viewing that would make. Just for the record I also immensley dislike Robt. Kilroy Silk, David Mellor, oh and I think Juncket Jack Cunningham's a bit of a twat as well. But hey I have n't even met the guys. Treat as you find ! Just in case Fionn (careful she supports Leeds, which is a kick in the arse from Richmond)is who I think she is not,I like William Hague.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 08:15 AM

he made no comment to the court of appeal - is it that Archer won't be drawn.
ho ho ho

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 08:00 AM

Is it the J A initials, or just my lack of braincells, that makes it impossible to recollect whether it was Aitken or Archer who did what and when and to whom? I somehow seem to have got the impression that Aitken is a seriously slimy toad and Archer's just a bit of a lad, but I'd be hard put to describe the their activities in any detail.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Jul 02 - 07:30 AM

The way I see it Liz, is simply that you dislike him rather more than Fionn, who is also unlikely to invite him to her housewarming party. I think he's a nasty piece of work, who shagged a prostitute, got caught, lied through his teeth about it afterwards and then (after making money by lying through his expensively tended molars) eventually got exposed and jugged for it. That makes him a nasty piece of work against whom I bear no personal malice. Jonathon Aitken was someone I could get angry about. I think the politically correct term for what he did is "adviser on defence contracts". Some of us prefer the more prosaic term "gun runner". We are never likely to know all the details of what Aitken did, as such deals remain substantially secret even after wrongdoing has been exposed in court. However, the damage done to our country by arms dealing was almost certainly vastly greater than any caused by Archer. It can be gratifying to witness the fall of a smug and priveleged man, but it does not appeal to the side of my character which I like. I think Fionn's point is that the malice felt towards Archer is out of proportion to the damage he caused. I can go along with that.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 08:01 PM

'but the only reason people are not out there trying to save him from the gallows is that there are no gallows. If there were, I'd be out there on the street because I think killing people is wrong.'

So you'd be happy to kill people to show that killing people is wrong..... But that's digressing.

It isn't that he screwed the newspaper to build a garden shed, it's that he claimed that all the damages awarded him had been given to charity, which it obviously hadn't. The appearance of the luxury garden shed within 6 months (and sans planning permission I suspect) of the money being awarded is a bit suspicious.....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 07:36 PM

Hard to follow some of your ramble Liz.

Archer's garden shed was a drop in the bucket compared with his Westminster pad or his country home (the vicarage, Grantchester, famously celebrated by Rupert Brooke). I would have thought there wasn't much doubt that as well as being bankrupt once or twice, he has also been ridiculously rich once or twice.

Are you suggesting his books did not make him millions? If he needed to screw the News of the Screws to buy his shed, how come you think he's well off now? And I think you've got fame and imfamy the wrong way round. Archer had written nearly all, if not all, his bestsellers before the court case.

I tried to follow your comparison with Shipman but couldn't see your point. Sure as hell I'm glad Shipman was brought to justice, but the only reason people are not out there trying to save him from the gallows is that there are no gallows. If there were, I'd be out there on the street because I think killing people is wrong.

For the record I was not sympathetically disposed to Jonathan Aitken, whose transgressions were vastly more serious than Archer's. But even there, I thought the Guardian's constant crowing, for week after week, as though this was the only story in the world, was thoroughly nauseating.

My guess is that Archer, like Aitken (and Oscar Wilde), will come out of prison a better man. God knows why or how, because our prisons are a national disgrace.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 06:43 PM

Please note that Jeffrey Archer the author, crook and politician (in descending order) is not the same person as Geoffrey Archer, who to the best of my knowledge is just an author.