BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 05:33 PM

'still left feeling that it was only a scummy gutter rag that he tried to dick over' - yes it was; the fact that Archer tried to screw it (as well as the prostitute) just shows what a scummy guttersnipe he really is.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 07:35 AM

This should be in the oxymoron thread, and the fails bit qualifies it for a tautology thread
IMOHO, ***BG***
cause for celebration
one in the eye for Archer?

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 05:51 AM

Fair points, and power to you, Eliza, but I'm still left feeling that it was only a scummy gutter rag that he tried to dick over. Wasn't it more fun to hear Hislop squealing about injustice when he lost the Private Eye action, rather than having the self-satisfied little twat 9allegidly) being found for?

I second Fionn, in that he's doing stir, quite rightly, he lost his appeal, quite rightly, but why the street parties?

Skipjack

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 23 Jul 02 - 01:36 AM

It's all very well telling the odd fib, I doubt there is a person on this forum who hasn't told a few porkies when it suited them, BUT: Archer took a newspaper to court for printing what he said were lies about him. He won this particular libel case. Subsequently, it was proved that the paper was printing the truth, Archer lied in court, UNDER OATH, and was committed for a jail term. Had he not been a public figure, yes, it's likely he would have just had to pay back the fine and do a short term (probably suspended) for perjury, contempt and perverting the course of justice. It is BECAUSE he was a high profile figure that he was put away, as an example to others to prove that no-one, even Tory ministers or (allegedly) popular authors are above the law.

We're only happy about him losing his appeal (not that I ever thought he had any) because he's done nothing but lie about his entire life, and tried to prevent people from finding out the truth. Re-inventing yourself is OK, but to then use the court system to deny the past, accuse everyone you've ever known of lying and screw money out of them to use for your own benefit (there are so many irregularities over what actually happened to it - the charity they claim to have given it to have no record of any donations of that size, and there is no way he could have afforded to build a garden shed worth more than most 3 bed houses without it), just is not right. He's lucky he didn't get charged with gaining money under false pretences as well.

Comparing him to Harold Shipman isn't on. Firstly, although Archer never killed anyone, he lied under oath. Shipman to my knowledge, when finally caught, hasn't attempted to pervert the cause of justice. Shipman's crimes are far worse than Archers' (leaving aside Archer's literary contributions), and the jail terms reflect this. If we still had a death penalty, there would be hardly anyone in the country protesting Shipman's demise. I haven't heard one person saying 'oh but he doesn't deserve that' about Shipman. Truth is, Shipman is likely to spend the rest of his life in solitary, like several other high profile murderers (Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper for one), and on suicide watch, for his own safety.

Archer rode to fame on the back of that libel trial, he was already infamous... and when it was discovered to be a tissue of lies, he was punished for it. His jail term was permissable under the law and if truth be told, he's actually got it quite cushy. He isn't doing solitary or hard labour, he hasn't been wrongly accused and he has enough money to be able to afford luxuries. Bet you anything he doesn't have to save up his snout for a bar of carbolic.

It's time people in the public eye woke up to the fact that they are not untouchable. Ceasars' wife may be above suspicion, but that doesn't mean she isn't as guilty as sin.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 07:35 PM

Alas Linda, I too have fibbed about my qualifications from time to time. I've even recruited people who fibbed about their qualifications. I guess I should be banged to rights.

It doesn't bother me that Jeffrey's down - I just don't see the point of kicking him. It doesn't bother me either if he's writing another of his blockbusters. But then I've never read one!

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Gareth
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 06:47 PM

Walrus - No takers !!!!

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: The Walrus
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 05:56 PM

The really appalling thing about Archer's time in the jug is that he's probably using it to churn out another atrocious book.
What's the odds that his next effort will feature somewhere) a "hero" figure, falsely banged up?.

Walrus

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 05:39 PM

Come on, Betty, he's less popular than Harold Shipman, and even as far as Fleet Street's febrile imagination stretches, noone has suggested he supported flyovers. I still maintain, rascal that he is, if he wasn't in the public eye, he'd have been told off by the polis, and be contributing stacks of 40% tax instead of costing us masses of wonga to feel self righteous.

Mind you, it's easy for me to take a juxta-position. All the Tories I loathed to skin crawling proportions are dead or mad.

Skipjack

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: John Routledge
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 05:37 PM

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: GUEST,Sponge
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 05:28 PM

> and some other important necessities for the wine cellar.....

hey, LTS, you of all people know how important it is to keep a good wine cellar..... but he is a worm and lying in court is not a thing to be got away with. See Ya Soon, S.

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 04:46 PM

And he cheated at sports too!

The man is so twisty he makes a corkscrew look straight.

Mary insists that he gave all the money he got from the libel proceedings to charity, which may be so, but only after it had paid for a nice little shed in the garden where Jeffrey could scribble his appalling novels (approx. cost over £60,000 - some shed eh?) and some other important necessities for the wine cellar.....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 03:30 PM

It wasn't one lie -he had a whole lifetime of them! He lied about his education, his qualifications and his business dealings -he was rotten to the core!

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 11:18 AM

Jeffrey Archer isn't the worst kind of Tory and I for one was glad to see a bit of colour in politics, wherever it came from. In plenty of countries (eg France) what he got up to with a prostitute would never have been a matter of public concern anyway.

He shouldn't have lied and he shouldn't have nicked a couple of suits nor done various other madcap things, and maybe he deserves to be banged up. I just don't see it as something worth celebrating. Anyway, he's tasted dirt before and bounced back. I expect he'll do so again.

Exactly right about El Tel, Skipjack (and I'm a lifelong Leeds fan).

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 11:02 AM

Whilst I genuinely loathed the Thatcher vehicle, I was sneakingly ambivalent towards Geoffrey, and his complete vilification for a couple of porkies has surprised me. Had he been a football manager, he'd be managing Leeds United now.

Skipjack

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 10:54 AM

Perjury and perverting the course of justice. And trying to be like Alan B'stard...

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: John J
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 10:14 AM

He was a Tory.

John

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: MudGuard
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 09:38 AM

Is that Jeffrey Archer, the author?

What did he do to get into prison?

(sorry for my ignorance)

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: Bullfrog Jones
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 09:24 AM

The judge probably didn't understand his appeal. I never have!

BJ

Subject: RE: BS: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: harvey andrews
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 08:40 AM

And now Van Hoogstraten!!

Subject: UK: Jeffery Archer appeal fails
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 02 - 08:18 AM

However good/bad/indifferent your life might be right now, your mood will be improved by the news that Jeffrey Archer has failed in his appeal and will stay in prison.

Cheers up the bleakest of days.

Hip, hip, horray!