BS: Evolution is Here to Stay

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Pied Piper
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 08:53 AM

Nice-one beardedbruce clay is defiantly ground up rock mixed with water.
The evidence for Evolution is overwhelming only a fool would dismiss it.


Socrates "And what pray tell is the evidence for God?"

Auggie "Oh that's easy Intelligent Design"

Socrates "And the evidence for Intelligent Design?"

Auggie "Why God of cause"

PP

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 08:18 AM

Isn't it ID that claims we come from rock, or at least clay?

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: GUEST,d8^)
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 07:57 AM

This arguement has changed over the years

d8^)

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 07:52 AM

Well, actually there is a highly respected theory (of which a scientist called Lynn Margulies is the chief exponent, I think)which says that all multicellular life is made up of unicellular life (eg. bacteria). But you're probably not interested in that because you 'know' everything there is to know already. And I bet you're just itching to send the 'thought police' round to deal with a heretic, like me, aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Auggie
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 07:41 AM

I rest my case.
And when you turn those bacteria into something besides bacteria, you let me know, OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 05:39 AM

Yes, 'Auggie' I think you're pig ignorant - I also think you're extremely dangerous. It's not your ideas that concern me (and if you kept them within your own little tribe they wouldn't bother me at all)- it's your notion that you are in possession of absolute, revealed truth that scares the hell out of me. You see, if I believe anything, I believe that there is no such thing as certainty - and, paradoxically, it is only through embracing uncertainty that anything resembling 'truth' is revealed.
Until recently I worked as a scientist (in the soaps and detergents Industry, as it happens). In the course of this work I ran numerous experiments. It was always necessary to attach probability statements to the results of these experiments and the results were never certain. So if I found a difference between two experimental treatments I attached to the result the probability of being wrong when asserting that a difference existed. Nevertheless, if this probability was small enough I could usually have confidence that the result was actionable. This seemed to me to be a reasonable (and humble) way to proceed and led me to believe that certainty is an illusion.
Now, I'm sure that you are going to tell me that evolutionary biologists can't do experiments (although that's not entirely true - you can do experiments with bacteria, for example, which can go through many generations in a 'short' period of time). But, those biologists can slowly and patiently accumulate evidence (from rocks) which add up to a coherent picture. But, that picture can never be certain and it is quite conceivable that in the near future some genius will come along and radically change the picture.
All of the above is a far cry from believing that all you need to do, to understand reality, is to study an ancient text. Personally, I happen to have a profound respect for that ancient text, and believe it to be very remarkable. Nevertheless, I find the idea that it contains everything I need to know much more difficult to believe than your "we came from rocks" statement. Yes, Auggie, in a manner of speaking we probably (but not certainly!) did come from 'rocks'.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Paul Burke
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 03:38 AM

Art, of course the stork didn't bring me! The doctor brought me in his big black bag.

In fact, there is a theory that states that the whole Universe was brought by the Doctor; this is the known as the Big Bag Theory.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Peace
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:41 PM

"Evolution is Here to Stay"

I sure as hell hope so. I keep wondering when Bush will become human.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Auggie
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:38 PM

So you believe reality with all it's complexity came from.....a rock (?)
And to think according to you, we on the other side are "pig-ignorant" ?
Sometimes mudcat is just way too funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 04:56 PM

Evolution is a Theory - and a very convincing one at that. Unfortunately human ignorance, stupidity, gullibility and bloody-mindedness is a Fact. It's also a Fact that perfectly rational and reasonable Theories, like Evolution, will always be opposed by the close-minded and pig-ignorant! After all it's much easier to live with the 'certainties' embodied in some ancient text than to confront reality in all it's complexity and uncertainty.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 05:59 PM

It was rather nicely put in one of the "Doctor" series of films, when the professor asked a medical student.

"What would you do if you were presented with a patient who was dying, and you could not diagnose or relieve his condition?"

"I would pray to the lLord for guidance", said the student.

The professor replied "Young man, do you not think you should ask the opinion of a professional consultant, before calling on the services of an amateur?"

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 05:12 PM

And I want to include the Theory that ugly babies are brought by vultures, not storks.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 04:20 PM

Intelligent Design is to Evolution, what "The stork brought me" is to how humans reproduce.

Now, I figure, it is logical to extrapolate abd decide that in every sex education class we must include the "stork theory".

This isn't original from me. I read it somewhere fairly recently.
And I liked the analogy.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 03:46 PM

"The Theory of Intelligent Design"

No such thing....

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 03:43 PM

The Theory of Gravity? The Globular Earth Theory? The Theory of Evolution? The Theory of Intelligent Design? The General Theory of Relativity? The Special Theory of Relativity? The Theory of the Evolution of Species?

If E=MC^2 is only a theory, then I guess it's problematic that them fission bombs don't work, huh?

Nah. A Theory (capital T) has almost the force of a Law. And I didn't know that gravity was theoretical....

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 03:29 PM

"evolution is a theory, but so is gravity..."

In that context, evolution is a Theory... not a theory... there's a difference...

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 03:16 PM

Now let's not complicate the picture - evolution is a theory, but so is gravity, the planet being round, the planet going around the sun, and a lot of other things that are undeniably, one would wish, true.

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 02:59 PM

Evolution is a fact, and no mythology is ever going to change that

Subject: RE: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 02:36 PM

That's and oxymoron Saul man, if a thing is eveolving it is anything but static. However I agree with what you're implying that blind 'faith' is no basis on which to educate a child. Or for that matter to run a country.
Giok ☺

Subject: BS: Evolution is Here to Stay
From: saulgoldie
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 02:23 PM

Get used to it. It makes more sense than any other "theory" out there. It can predict things outside of the thesis of a given related piece of research. Really, do YOU want modern medicine practising on you based on the underlying principles of "creationism?"