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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Tam the bam fraeSaltcoatsScotland Date: 15 Mar 02 - 11:59 AM I think that it really doesn't matter who the parents are or what their sexual preferences are, just as long they love their child or children, and who has the right to tell them that they can't.
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: DougR Date: 15 Mar 02 - 11:55 AM I'd go with LEJ on this one. I don't think homosexuality should be a roadblock to adoption. One of my good friends and his partner raised Bill's two boys, and you couldn't ask for more loving and caring parents than Bill and Larry are. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Mar 02 - 10:59 AM etymology: nuclear - 1846, from nucleus, probably by influence of Fr. nucléaire. At first, "of or like the nucleus of a cell," use in atomic physics is from 1914. Nuke, short for "nuclear weapon," is 1959, U.S. military slang; the verb is from 1962. Nuclear family is from 1949, originally a sociologists' term. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Sorcha Date: 15 Mar 02 - 10:49 AM As spaw says, there are many, many things to consider, but sexual orientation and availability of money should not enter the equation. Any rich bastard can "buy" a baby and it happens more than you would think. Looks like most of us are just "pink-o lefties"..........(grin) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: RichM Date: 15 Mar 02 - 10:38 AM "nuclear family"? It's about love, not atomic warfare.
To restrict adoption on the basis of procreative ability or on the so-called traditional family unit, is wrong because it's an arbitrary distinction. The main ingredients in a good-parent recipe are LOVE and the ability to PROVIDE the necessities.... Rich McCarthy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: mack/misophist Date: 15 Mar 02 - 08:26 AM The question should be, "Have gay couples been good parents in the past?". Over the years, I've seen quite a few studies indicating they're no worse than any other group. Forget PC. If some one is likely to do a job well and wants it, let them have it. The job needs doing. Those of you who insist on a nuclear family should remember that most gays come from one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Coyote Breath Date: 15 Mar 02 - 08:23 AM Yes, loving parents should be the first requirement. No parent, regardless of sexual orientation, should expose their child to their activities in the bedroom. So provide loving homes, private activity is just that. There CAN be a reaction in certain situations to a family, the adults of which are same sex partners. I would think that a gay couple living in a semi-rural town might subject the kid(s) to some pretty unsettling reactions from the local folk. But one can deal with that so it shouldn't exclude the couple from adoption. My nephew and his partner have been together in a wonderful, loving, relationship for over twenty years. I wish that they would consider the possibility of adoption. I can't imagine two people more suitable as parents. They both are devoted to working for people in need, especially those caught in the welfare web. The option of single parenting also should be promoted. My oldest daughter and my significant other are examples of excellent single parents. My daughter is going to school full time, working full time and is a full time parent. I am so proud of her I could just burst. My SO raised two children one male and one female. These two young (in their twenties) people are exemplary citizens, productive, generous, true contributors to the community's social health. In both families the most important aspect was love and constant, sensitive involvement in the lives of the children. My SO and my daughter share that parenting ability but they are as unalike as one could imagine. CB |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: kendall Date: 15 Mar 02 - 08:08 AM Florida is still in the dark ages in other ways too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Mar 02 - 07:55 AM Before I warp drive off into one of my well known tirades on the problems with adoption and the legal system, etc........Let me give you some more gist for your mills. Gay adoption? Let's add as was mentioned above, what are your thoughts on single parent adoption? Or what about cross racial adoption? Or cross cultural adoption? How about open adoption? Or sibling groups? Or let's think about one of my favorites, big-bucks adoptions and foreign adoption. And before you run off on the "love conquers all" tangent, do you believe that the same parenting skills that apply in biological parenting are what is needed by adoptive parents, or is there something more needed? Did you know that the majority of adoptions of 12 year old children fail? Did you know the massive numbers of children out there available for adoption are between 5 and 14 years old? Think about those as you go along with the discussion. There is a solution and it's not too difficult to see, but the solution involves one of those great "god-playing" scenarios that we so fear. The legal system needs changed and the laws need changed before anything will happen of significance. We've won a few battles in the past ten years, but we've lost some too. And when the laws change the next change must be in attitude toward adoption and the underlying bigotry that some don't see because it's so deeply ingrained. Just more food for thought folks.............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Mar 02 - 07:00 AM Noone has a right to adopt, and nor should they. The only relevant criterion is "Is this person going to be able to provide what this child needs?"
Of course that just throws the question back to the larger one of who decides what a child needs, and judges whether this person can provide it - but I can't see that having rules of thumb about categories of potential adopters really makes much sense. There is no escaping the need to make judgements on an individual basis. After all, there are plenty of married couples who should never be trusted with a child. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Mar 02 - 06:33 AM A bit of thread creep, but the use of words like 'family environment' and 'couple' makes me think you only think of two persons when considering adoption and only contemplate whether a same sex couple should be allowed to adopt children. A much larger minority excluded from the right to adopt are singles. Considering that in many large cities in Germany about 1/3 of all children though once born in a two person family are brought up by a single parent one could consider that as well. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: gnu Date: 15 Mar 02 - 06:17 AM I saw Rosie O'Donnell interviewed last night... I can't imagine a better parent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: GUEST,Paul Burke Date: 15 Mar 02 - 06:16 AM Talking of gays, I recall from childhood a version of "London Bridge is Falling Down", that ran something like:
London Bridge is falling down
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Nigel Parsons Date: 15 Mar 02 - 06:16 AM At the risk of sounding the non-PC one here, I still believe in the idea of the nuclear family. (two parents of opposite sex, plus children.) I feel this is the ideal situation, but can accept that when a persons sexual orientation changes mid-life, they may already have children, and the best thing for those children may be to continue with a particular one of the parents. If this parent is then involved in a long term same sex relationship, then I would still support the parent's right to the upbringing, and the love and support of the child. However, once one has made a choice about ones sexual orientation, which puts one into a relationship in which the 'couple' could not produce a natural family, I feel that to expect to be allowed to adopt, "As A Right", is unreasonable. Where there are too many children seeking too few adoption places, then I can accept that adoption by 'same-sex' couples is a valid option. So despite my initial comments, my only objection is to any attempt to make it a legal Right, as opposed to an option for consideration. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Banjer Date: 15 Mar 02 - 05:32 AM Like REosie said in her portion of the interview, these kids have NO VOICE of their own. I would be willing to bet that if they were asked their main request would be for a loving family environment regardless of who provides it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Big Tim Date: 15 Mar 02 - 03:06 AM Yea; sexuality shouldn't be confused with morality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Ebbie Date: 15 Mar 02 - 02:45 AM I taped the Primetime Thursday Gay Adoption documentary tonight. I can't imagine anyone watching it and remaining convinced that gay and lesbian people should not be adoptive parents. The Florida legislator they interviewed (cute though he was!) is an example of the unyielding, rigid stance of the fundamentalist at his worst. Somehow the stereotypical fundamentalist sees no need to examine evidence and think for him or herself. Diane Sawyer repeatedly said that the choice is not between having heterosexual parents or gay parents; it is between having any loving parents and having no parents at all. I was glad that they ended the show with 'happy' endings, but the fact is that there are tens of thousands of unhappy endings. Ebbie |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Seamus Kennedy Date: 15 Mar 02 - 01:32 AM I tried to adopt a gay baby once, and they told me I'd have to wait a few years. Bummer. Seamus |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Amos Date: 15 Mar 02 - 12:51 AM And, perhaps most important, the degree of genuine love. An essential part, and an important distinction. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Lonesome EJ Date: 15 Mar 02 - 12:48 AM I say adoption should be based primarily on the responsibility, financial stability, intelligence, and maturity of the adoptive couple. Sexual promiscuity should be a factor, but not homosexuality. |
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Subject: Gay Adoption-Yea or Nay From: Mickey191 Date: 15 Mar 02 - 12:34 AM I was wondering what the concensus would be on the subject of gay couples adopting children. In some states it is not legal, therefore these children are shuttled back & forth with no home to call their own.In many cases they are frightfully abused, and used only for the monthly stipend the state provides. In Florida there are over 3,000 kids, mostly black boys, and many who are HIV positive.There are gay couples willing to give a loving home, yet the state will not permit it.What say you? |