when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 11 - 12:35 PM

Available on BBC iplayer now until Sunday 10th April 2011

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 01 Jan 11 - 05:48 AM

Refresh

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,Jim Martin
Date: 29 Dec 10 - 07:17 AM

It's on again on 2nd Jan:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00wmy5q

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: s&r
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 05:50 PM

Was this the one with the melodeon?

And don't the drones and ornaments count?

Stu

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 05:38 PM

He was singing a folk song and accompanying himself with the Scottish smallpipes, by doubling the melody (and, speak of the devil, he's doing the same right now on BBC Alba's Ceolraidh!). At a folk club here in England, I've heard the same with Northumbrian smallpipes - must take some doing, but very effective, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: s&r
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 04:28 PM

Just out of interest, what was the melody line played on and what was the accompaniment line played on?

Stu

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: s&r
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 04:16 PM

And are you now an expert on Scottish music as well as English American and Australian?

Stu

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 08:05 AM

...by doubling the melody, i.e.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 Dec 10 - 07:58 AM

Allan Macdonald was accompanying himself with Scottish pipes on a Highland Sessions re-run, last night - I'd say authentic and enjoyable NOT "unimaginative", Stu.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: s&r
Date: 17 Dec 10 - 09:35 AM

When people develop new cultural links, society gains, and the world becomes a richer place. A simple but clear, example of this is Zydeco, a fusion of black, white, French and American. Now a folk music and culture (and indeed a people) in its own right.

Cheryl's "flood" was OK - nothing wrong with mid Atlantic Geordie. I think her orchestration will sell a few more than your suggestion, much as I love Kathryn Tickell. And doubling a melody is just so unimaginative...


Stu

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 17 Dec 10 - 06:15 AM

Watching "Come Clog Dancing" again last night, I was reminded of how proud most English were (and can again be) of English good at English culture; then, flicking over to "The Royal Variety Performance," I was reminded of how proud most modern English are of English good at non-native American culture - the "That" in "Take That."

Or, instead of the American pop she performed, imagine Cheryl Cole at "The English Republics Variety Performance" singing "The Snows They Melt The Soonest", with, perhaps, Kathryn Tickell doubling the melody on Northumbrian smallpipes...

We need a cultural revolution as much as China needs another cultural revolution - Lang Lang, e.g., is good at European music on the piano/Lang Lang's father is good at Chinese music on the erhu.

When people lose their own culture, society suffers, and the world becomes less-and-less multicultural; or in verse - http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com/#209

Thus, as I say, I hope the excellent "Come Clog Dancing" soon finds its way onto BBC 2, and a still wider audience.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,mattkeen
Date: 17 Dec 10 - 04:45 AM

I loved the clog dancing progs

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 09:22 AM

Clog dance workshop - The Beech, Beech Road, Chorlton, Manchester, early in the new year. PM me for further details

L in C#

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,LDT
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 08:31 AM

I'm from the south east Southend on sea way.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,Laura Connolly
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 08:28 AM

Hello all,

I'm overwhelmed by all the comments and compliments i have received following the broadcast of 'Come Clog Dancing' so Thank you very much for your support!

To 'Guest L' whereabouts down south are you? I am infact relocating from the North East in the new year, probably to Oxfordshire.
I would love to start a clog class, send me an email if you are interested!
www.lauraconnolly.co.uk

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,L
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 06:13 AM

Just everything I look at down south to do with clogging seems to involve joining a side.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,glueman
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 05:51 AM

Any dancing that uses the percussive attributes of clogs is clog dancing. Go for it.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Dec 10 - 05:27 AM

Okay I'm in a quandry. I'd like to learn clog dance but I'm not wanting to do the 'morris' side of it all. Just want to learn for my own amusement and exercise (like you would learn ballroom dance). Is this possible?

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Dec 10 - 06:08 AM

From what I can gather (The Proms, etc.), Charles Hazlewood is well-respected within the BBC, so hopefully "Come Clog Dancing," at least, will be one of the programmes that does make its way from BBC4 to BBC2.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Gy Morris man
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 01:16 PM

Seems the same when we that is Grimsby morris men go out, that looks good i would like to give it a try, we hand out flyers with contact numbers on where we practice, but not many take it up.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 12:22 PM

What information was available that people who were interested had somewhere to turn? I presume those who part had info but I guess the crowd didn't

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Effsee
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 12:08 PM

It seems to be catching...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDWlCM_BmQs

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Tom - Swords & Songs
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 11:45 AM

Well I was there - dancing with the Kingsmen - and I thought it was a quite good thing. The only mainstay folkies around were the 3 professional clog dancers: Laura, Tiny and Fiona, and then the 4 musicians - Paul Knox, Kevin Lees, Ruth Ball and Ali Anderson (3 of the 4 of them are part of the Kingsmen)

What impressed me most was that the vast majority of the participants in the crowd really were doing it on spec. There were so many people who turned up to learn who had not ever seen anything like this before - office workers, students etc.

You should have seen their faces when they first saw a rapper dance!

However, I don't know how many of them have actually taken up clog dancing, it would be interesting to talk to Brenda and see if her numbers have improved. - certainly we had no extra people come along to Kingsmen practice the next week...

Cheers
Tom

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Gy Morris man
Date: 13 Dec 10 - 03:55 AM

How many of the flash cloggies have taken up clogging seriously since the programme was filmed?.
If only half of them it will be a success for traditional dancing.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: G-Force
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 08:57 AM

We loved the clog dancing programme but query the strange camera work. Lots of lovely clog dancing going on and what do we get - pictures of their faces! Same with the interviews. Over and over again they showed the interviewer and not the interviewee.

It happens with guitarists too. Are they paid NOT to show the left hand (with apologies to left-handers)!

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 07:17 AM

I just left a comment at BBC site about the programmes on traditional dance and music, thanking them for sensitive treatment and asking for more.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 06:46 AM

Just been inudated with folk things, 3 hrs catch up yesterday and an hour this am (Sunday) in between t'snooker watching

Saw Morris/clog/rapper wi't Unthanks, Saddleworth Rushcart annall, 60/70s folk withe Pentangle, Steeleye Span, Donovan, Martin Windsor and Red Sullivan

Clog dancing with a fine chappy ending up with a mass clog dance in the centre o Newcastle, lots of folk ppl spotted, saw Cumberland Arms session with Newcastle rapper, I saw you too Pete Wood, George Unthank, also seen Ali Anderson ~ I think camera man avoided the well known folkies as much as possible really!

Also BBC 4 Christmas prog Bellowhead, Sam Lee, Unthanks (again),
Balchazzar's Feast, among others

I thgought it all came over very well and shows trhe wealth of English music and song and traditions (I power to Doc Rowe too!!)

BBC now need to continue to record and promote recorded English music ~ ppl probably know that I am keen on BBC Alba too!

See BBC Radio Derby underthreat, sign the petition!! on fb

Ray

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Wheatman
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 04:57 AM

Any thing to do with the telly has to be arranged and programmed. I only know that too well , even with my limited experience. But any public enlightenment has got to be for the good. When I danced with Sallyport in the early seventies we were always being asked what country we came from when we were out on rapper tour (the kit, breeches and a sash confused) and that was in the North East where one hoped they knew better. The majority of the general public did not and still don't appreciate the fundamentals of British Traditional Dance but they do appreciate quality and show biz and it is our task to gently educate them to preserve the culture. Step down from soap box.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Wolfhound person
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 04:36 AM

If dance sides were notified, VT, it begs the question of how many of that audience were already aficionados, or rellies of the people involved.

There was heavyweight backup organisation there. Musicians at the monument were Alistair A and Sandra Kerr, there would have licensing and crowd clearance issues: those oildrums didn't appear from nowhere.
They used the Assembly Rooms (one of Newcastle's most prestigious and expensive venues) to...well...assemble.

In the background music to the Jackie Toaduff interview there was a considerable chunk of "King's Hall" (aka Hepple Haugh by B. Pigg) played by the High Level Ranters, so that'll maybe 20p in royalties.It wasn't acknowledged though.

I hope...I really hope, it provokes lasting interest in the clog tradition which is still going, just. I'm not holding my breath, though.

Commando trad.......nah!!! Carefully orchestrated publicity for the in-crowd, more likely.

Paws (in cynical mood)

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Wheatman
Date: 12 Dec 10 - 03:04 AM

I just wish I had been there, even with the arthritis in the knee I would have taken part just for the BUZZ. All of that going on in the centre of the Toon, brilliant.
Johnson Ellwood tried to teach me to step some 40 years ago but I failed, just like learning the violin a school, I wish I had kept it up.
Here's to more of the like on the Telly.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Alan Day
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 05:46 PM

I really enjoyed this programme.
Al

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 05:24 PM

As the idea of flash mob is to surprise the public with seemingly impromptu performance there would be no advertisement. Some dance sides were notified/invited. So any people attached to dancers in the area had a pretty fair chance of knowing about it in advance.

I wish I wish I did not have rheumatoid arthritis in hips, knees and feet. I would so join a side.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 05:16 PM

Just one minor gripe from me: I assume as it was arranged as a 'flash mob' there was little publicity if you weren't involved. I know how cross I'd have been if I still lived in Newcastle must missed it!

Seriously though, well done to all involved, especially those new to clogging

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,LDT
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:15 PM

Impressed with the clog program. Didn't feel dusty or twee. It actually made me feel as a viewer (with two left feet) like I wanted to join in.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:06 PM

I must have watched just about every BBC4 folk programme since 2004, and the one I enjoyed the most just finished: "Come Clog Dancing" - and the rapper was great, too.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 11 Dec 10 - 03:05 PM

I just watched the clog dance programme and saw the folk dancing programme yesterday. I am loving it. Not an ounce of the sneering, down the nose at the quaint, eccentrics doing their weird little ritual dances that I feared might happen.

Sensitive and enthusiastic, appreciative presentation.

Thank you BBC

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Bounty Hound
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 08:32 PM

Quote of the programme has got to be the chap from Saddleworth Morris who said 'there are only so many idiots in an area, and that's us' (or
At least something along those lines, apologies
to the gentleman concerned from a fellow idiot if that is a slight misquote)

John

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 08:05 PM

Still Folk Dancing....    on NOW (1.00am Sat 10 Dec) BBC4

Ross

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Folknacious
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 07:42 PM

That's what they told me anyway. I'm sure they'd never wind up the onlookers.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: johnadams
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 07:35 PM

Not until you said it but now it's obvious innit!

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Folknacious
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 07:25 PM

Yup! Definitely a Greek dance!

Comes from Greek Moorish pirate coal miners. I thought everybody knew that!

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: johnadams
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 07:14 PM

Yup! Definitely a Greek dance! Except that the Britannia Coconut Dancer's Pom-Poms have dropped off their clogs!

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Folknacious
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 07:12 PM

"They look a little Greek-like" Eh?

Mini skirts, clogs - I can see the link

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 10 Dec 10 - 06:58 PM

As Nessie and I are among the few who can't stand Strictly anyway, we did watch the "Still folk dancing..." programme on BBC4. Very good it was too, some lovely footage from all over the country and we learned quite a bit - though we missed any reference to Molly dancing. Factoid of the evening: they carbon-dated one of the antlers used by the Staffordshire Horn Dancers and found it to date back to 1020 or thereabouts. Wow!

And one unfortunate line by Rachel Unthank, when she saw the Bacup Britannia Coco dancers: "They look a little Greek-like" Eh? Pass me the ouzo!

But a very good programme, the Unthanks were good in it too, though the dances had the star role. Worth watching on iPlayer.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,Norman Butlin
Date: 09 Dec 10 - 11:21 AM

I know it's not folk music but does anyone know what the "Just Dance" music is that's used on the BBC4 trailer for this programme?

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 04:47 PM

Not a problem to me LDT...Strictly is so far down the bottom of my Radar, along with X Factor, Celebrity, and all the other crap programmes designed to suite readers of the Sun.
This one at least looks interesting.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,LDT
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 06:44 AM

'still folk dancing' clashes with strictly...who's bright idea was that scheduling?!

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Dec 10 - 06:10 AM

I think Jackie Toaduff is involved

If the programme is serious he better be.

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: Mick Tems
Date: 05 Dec 10 - 05:13 AM

I watched The Highland Sessions series on BBC4 on Friday night - absolutely superb! I spotted Donald Shaw from Capercaillie, the exquisite Mary Black and Liam from Hothouse Flowers while the main languages on the programme were Scottish and Irish Gaelic. Highland Sessions was a hidden treasure of rich and beautiful Gaelic culture - I'll be looking out in anticipation next Friday!

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,Chris J Brady - re: Fire & Ice
Date: 04 Dec 10 - 04:21 PM

Subject: RE: when is the Clog/Folkdancing on BBC4
From: GUEST,Gerald Farrell
Date: 03 Dec 10 - 08:07 PM

Would it be possible for some kind soul to tape the Fire and Ice programme with Bellowhead and the Unthanks. I remember seeing this when it was first transmitted. I was having an absolutely horrible Christmas and this cheered me up no end.

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