Shoot the rest of em (singaround disturbances)

Subject: RE: Shoot the rest of em (singaround disturbances)
From: Pied Piper
Date: 29 Sep 03 - 06:34 AM

In a Pub people have the right to listen or not listen, as is there wish. If you can't stand the heat get out of the Kitchen. Maybe find yourself a nice cosy back room with a door you can shut against the masses and some 50 something lapsed socialists to stare and tut tut when someone is showing insufficient respect to the "Artists".
But wait a minute, its already been done; they're called Folk Clubs.

TTFN
PP

Subject: RE: Shoot the rest of em (singaround disturbances)
From: GUEST,minky
Date: 29 Sep 03 - 06:04 AM

Bollox Pied P - Sometimes it doesn't matter how well you are singing/playing - if people are busy chatting & don't want to listen then they won't. I don't think we need to feel that is our failing! Its just one of those things & is part & parcel of singing in pubs.
BUT - it is still very rude for any musician to talk LOUDLY through someone elses' performance, irrespective of quality.

Subject: RE: Shoot the rest of em (singaround disturbances)
From: Pied Piper
Date: 29 Sep 03 - 05:51 AM

If you can't sing or play with enough commitment and pathos to win the punters attention, don't blame them it's your problem.

TTFN
PP

Subject: RE: Shoot the rest of em (singaround disturbances)
From: GUEST,mink
Date: 29 Sep 03 - 04:06 AM

Sorry - gotta vent my spleen here.

Recently I encountered The Oaf - an Oaf both personally & musically. Probably THE most annoying session-attender in the world.

Sang LONG songs very monotonously, wanted (& sometimes succeeded) to do 2 in a row where everyone else was doing only one, criticised another musician for not playing the song as per CD (!!!!), joined in out of tune on tin whistle with other people's songs, joined in out of tune with himself too, started a political argument, talked VERY loudly over other people's songs, percussed AND handed out implements of percussion, knowingly repeated a song someone had done earlier in the evening - how do such people surive?

I can only assume he is new to the scene & a little over-enthusiastic & under-ettiquetted. Anyway - I'd not shoot the bugger, because he'd only enjoy the attention.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Ah - feel better now .

cheers

Subject: RE: Shoot the rest of em (singaround disturbances)
From: Snuffy
Date: 28 Sep 03 - 06:31 PM

Got it in one, Peter

Subject: RE: Shoot the rest of em (singaround disturbances)
From: GUEST,Peter from Essex
Date: 28 Sep 03 - 06:20 PM

The OP says "singaround at your local"

If the session is in a bar then other customers have as much right to make noise as you have to sing or play. If you can't hack it then hire the function room and only admit those who obey your rules.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Sep 03 - 03:38 PM

tuggy mac, is there anything you like about sessions and music?

I may be wrong, but I think all the threads you have started have been critical and negative.

I prefer to focus on the enjoyable.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: tuggy mac
Date: 28 Sep 03 - 05:14 AM

I agree entirely lin! and the instrument tuners whilst peaopl are playing.And how about the prat who decides he will play the fruit machine(badit) whilst the jammers sare in full flow.

Cheers tuggy mac.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 27 Sep 03 - 11:19 AM

Yeah the instrumentalists who either talk when someone's singing -- or else walk away, en mass. And the doodlers who have to be playing something tuneless even if nothing else is temporarily going on so the singer can't find a note or hear the intro.

Linn

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: tuggy mac
Date: 27 Sep 03 - 10:47 AM

You lost me after sessions !few! Sorry matey.Too many big words!

All the best tuggy mac.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: Willie-O
Date: 27 Sep 03 - 08:00 AM

Why are there so many threads about negative aspects of sessions?

Sessions are fun, musical, and social. That's why we have 'em.

As for annoyances, pretty much everyone except me and thee can be annoying sometimes. And I'm not so sure about thee.

But seriously, the "problems" are the same the world over. Whatever is distracting your attention from the music. Invariably, someone who is not as developed in musicianship (not the same as playing ability) as the person who is annoyed.

W-O
Hey, I'm going to meet Jerry Holland this morning, he's coming to do a workshop at our fiddle orchestra rehearsal. Whoops, thread creep.
How annoying. Must be my insufficiently developed threadianship.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: Bert
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 11:03 PM

I'd take the wire clippers to those guitar players (it's always guitar players) who jump in out of turn in a circle.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: LadyJean
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 09:54 PM

There was a woman who used to come to the Smokey City Folk Festivals with her two horrible children named, so help me God! Rueben and Rachel! The screamed, they shouted, they cried, they screeched nursery school songs, at the top of their little lungs, while their mother sat there, completely oblivious. She barely noticed the little monsters existed. I haven't seen Rueben or Rachel in years. The little nightmares must be grown now, unless someone had mercy on us all and drowned them.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 08:21 PM

McGrath's comment

"People who aren't playing anything, but hog the seats in the middle of the music while musicians are struggling to play standing."

Most especially if they can't play any instrument at all.

The most obnoxious criticism I've had (about any instrument I play) is from those who do not play that instrument. If sufficiently pissed off, and in the right mood, I am not above physically offering the instrument to them and saying something like "Go ahead - I always like to take lessons from a master on the instrument". Related to this, usually the more instruments a person plays the more tolerant I have found them to any other instrument. But of course, some people are just natural "gentle-folks".


I got others, but that's enough for now...

Robin
Multi-instrumentalist, but not a know-all (Really!)

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 06:01 PM

Give 'em a firm squeeze...

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 05:47 PM

I'm absolutely against shootin' such people in and around the song circle. The aggressive stringed instrument players can be delt with by wire clippers, a bucket of water for the smokers, cayenne pepper for the talkers, but I confess I don't know what to do with the concertina players? Maybe I'll just join in with them, in F#.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 04:29 PM

People who aren't playing anything, but hog the seats in the middle of the music while musicians are struggling to play standing.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 01:27 PM

In the weekly singaround I conduct I often say clearly: "OK-we've got one going. 'Singer', what you got?" That has always worked.

When a buzz of conversation starts around the room between songs I sometimes do a WAH wah WAH wah on a couple of high notes and when everyone looks my way, I'll say something like: "Back to music?"

Once in a great while I have asked a couple of people to take their conversation into the other room. I remember only one time when it offended someone- but then he was a frequent offender... Hasn't done it since.

Once in awhile either I or someone else will remnd the group to back off on guitars while someone with a quiet voice is singing. And when that hasn't worked I ask the quiet voiced one to move midway into the ring so everyone can hear.

The only thing that rattles me is when guitars are beating away and the players aren't listening to anyone or anything. You can get three different rhythms going that way. I haven't figured out yet how to handle that one.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 01:18 PM

People who don't appreciate that we all sang or played for the first time and many of us weren't much good but more importantly people who offer violence.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 01:13 PM

The accordian player who doesn't know session rules.

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: tuggy mac
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 12:02 PM

i agree!

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 06:59 AM

I'd start with the musos who are rude enought to talk when anyone sings!

Subject: RE: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: tuggy mac
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 06:16 AM

Ill start it with the talkers who dont bring an instrument and can be heard over the players.

Subject: Folklore: shoot the rest of em.
From: tuggy mac
Date: 26 Sep 03 - 05:54 AM

If you had the chance to filter out the crap from a singeround music session at your localby this i mean singers musicians and the talkers whilst peaople are trying to listen or the prat who dosent swith his mobile phone off! You decide and add your own. which three musical instruments would you marry together ,and sitting there with a musical 12 bore who would you waste?

Cheers tuggy mac.