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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Feb 06 - 05:50 AM Yes. It was not right, but as peacekeeping forces go you could do a lot worse. (I am sorry that I went on about Divis Sweeney's motivation, and that I became obsessed with exposing his change of line.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Richard Bridge Date: 22 Feb 06 - 04:22 AM The news of US systematic torture (and Mr Justice Collins recent finding that the US definition of torture is different from that of most civilised countries) tend I think to put this in perspective too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Epona Date: 21 Feb 06 - 09:46 AM Perseveration. It's seen often in autisitc children. E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Bunnahabhain Date: 21 Feb 06 - 06:17 AM Divis, Keith, from your love of talking about the past, we could hope you're both more than five. So stop acting as if you're a pair of children, talk via PMs etc, and come back when you calmed down. Also "But he started it... " is not a valid arguement! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 21 Feb 06 - 05:16 AM Just read a fasinating artical in my medical journal. It's about a condition known as Impulsive Repetitive Speech Disorder. Symptoms, The individual becomes repetitive in content of speech, fails to accept logic and enters in a tangent. Most interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 21 Feb 06 - 04:51 AM Will take the advice of all your pm's. Many thanks to those members for taking the time. Waken me up when Keith has gone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 21 Feb 06 - 03:42 AM Thanks for that Joe. The most chilling of the 18th Sept posts, the one about killing by sniping, was acknowledged and appologised for by MEMBER Divis Sweeney on the 13th October 05 in thread "PIRA invests in Manchester" in message 1582124. He wrote about it My reaction to his remark as to what he did to the Irish, was anger, and I made that remark in return. Since then, and before denying ever saying it, he made it into a crude little story, funny if the context were not the deaths of young men backshot because they wore a uniform. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:11 PM Goodnight Keith |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:08 PM 2004 is the only date being given so far. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:07 PM Dear Gurney Almost afraid to come back on here. Video released a week ago yesterday. Was taken two years ago. Best wishes |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Gurney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 06:42 PM Will Keith and Divis please stop (figuratively) sniping at each other. I'm sure we have all formed an opinion of the liklihood of the matter being settled to anyone's satisfaction, and it's getting repetitive. Pretty please, guys? Before this thread gets closed too? It doesn't do anyone any good when we force JoeClones to exercise power, well-balanced though they seem. I would like to know the date of the video, though.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Epona Date: 20 Feb 06 - 01:30 PM That's interesting RB. We don't hear any updates over here because our media doesn't really cover anything that's international unless they think it involves us directly. Apparently, the British soldier video didn't make the cut, so I'm trying to track it through the BBC. Thanks for the latest. E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 12:34 PM You neither got your audience Keith nor proved any point. All you did was call someone a murderer without proof and made a fool out of yourself in the process. Also exposed yourself as the person entering under my GUEST Divis Sweeney name prior to my membership. Well at least you appeared graceloiusly defendant in defeat.
So quite your squabbling, already. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 11:55 AM I half heard that this morning Richard, but thought I must have got it wrong. All the Southern areas are still refusing to work with the Brits because the video. Sorry I got bogged down over Divis Sweeney,but I thought it important to bring his deceit and hypocricy into the open. Done now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 11:55 AM I agree this thread has becoming boring for me let alone anyone else reading it. He's had his his fling and will probably drift to another. Regarding the original thread. Strange how a recording of an Iraqi attack on Britisg troops has only come to the public eye now. That developement is a convenient resolution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:37 AM Well Divis, I think you are a bit inclined to jump on the bash the squaddie bandwagon, and I was not taking sides on that (here, I might elsewhere), so please, that was not an invitation to blame Keith, nor one to blame you but to ask both of you to discuss that elsewhere unless relevant. The interesting development today is the Iraq government saying it knows who threw the grenades, that they were 2 of the captives seen in the video, that they are married with children (so perhaps not mere striplings), and that they intend to lift them and try them for attempted murder - the consequence of which (I understand from other commentators) under Iraq law is likely to be worse than what happened to them at the hands of the UK troops. So, interestingly, none of those primarily involved will have benefitted from the release of the material, and if the other captives turn out to have been (as I understand) actively complicit in throwing the grenades, all will have suffered. So, again, were we right (those of us who did) to rush to express outrage at what the troops did? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:07 AM Here is a post from Epona. Divis, I'm never helping you again! When I helped you register so you wouldn't be a guest anymore, you're info got stuck in my computer and now all my posts are under your new name! AND, then I had to reregister my own name with the Cat. I hope you appreciate all this drama because I'm angry right now!!!! Sorry folks (folkies :) ). I'm back now. And I'm not doing anymore good deeds. Haha.... E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 09:39 AM As I was not a member at that stage as you can see. GUEST Divis Sweeney. Anyone could have come in under that title. In a lot of cases you. Hope this is easier to understand. If not an elementary version is available. Please note Keith regarding you comment about logging in under my name. Are you not aware anyone who comes here as GUEST does not have to log in ? Oh but sure you are already aware of that, sorry. Best wishes Seamus. Now back to the thread YOU started about British soldiers caught kicking lumps out of Iraqi's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:58 AM Of course. Now I understand. Even though you have already tried to explain those posts, they were not by you at all. All I had to do was travel back in time, log on under your name, travel back to the present and... How can any of us believe anything you say now? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:17 AM Oh Keith bye the way please note any posts of that period was by a guest Divis Sweeney. Not the member Divis Sweeney. No doubt this was you signing in under this name to blame me. Dear Dear that was so low. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 08:08 AM Where does it say I murdered anyone ??????????????????????????? Admit your wrong Keith and say a big big sorry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:47 AM http://www.mudcat.org/usersearch.cfm?who=GUEST%2CDivis%20Sweeney Here is the link again Seamus. Ask someone to help you click and scroll to 18th Sept. 05 Can anyone else explain it to Seamus? I just can not get him to see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 07:34 AM Well said Richard. Keith sadly always moves away from the threads he starts. Example above. He started a thread here which had nothing to do with Ireland. He then moved on to calling me a murderer. He then said without any proof that I admitted it on the 18th September ! Which of course no proof has been produced by him. Proof here to see that I never posted on the 18th September ! Then after I told him seventeen times it's all history now what occurred in Ireland he now finally admitted it's history now in his last posting ! If you make such a strong statement as he did last night. One would except him to provide his proof ! He really has come off this one with egg on his face ! Ah poor Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Richard Bridge Date: 20 Feb 06 - 05:58 AM Chaps, can you discuss the IRA somewhere else please? The issues about that are I think detracting from the issue of this thread. England first invaded Ireland 400 years ago-ish, or even earlier, and the issues about whether there was a conquest legitimating a claim under usual constitutional law principles to rule by right of conquest (which would make the 1920-ish events a rebellion (conceded to by the Government of Ireland Act (that citation is from memory so may be wrong)) , and the IRA unlawful rebels at best) or whether there was never a true conquest in which case the IRA are a legitimate resistance, at least in some of what they do, are rather different from the present occupation (if that is the word) of Iraq. Nor do I think Iraq's position is illustrated by considering the Bill of Rights 1688 (the aftermath of the last revolution in England) or the Act of Union! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 05:49 AM I am not sure what to say Seamus. I have given the link, scroll down to the date. Also, look at the preceding posts for the context of your posts.. It was IRA not republicanism being discussed. Anyway, why do you now need to deny your membership. Are you ashamed of it? No need to be. As you say, it's all history now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 05:40 AM With the exception of anyone who had a lobotomy there is no where in any post anyone will see I stated I murdered anyone. So I made 5 posts on the 18th of September ? Where are they Keith ? Big difference in calling you a liar, which you have clearly proven to be and a clear case of deformation of character. Very poor attempts on this thread as usual to discredit me. Failure on your behalf yet again. Oh Keith when will you learn ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 03:46 AM Joe Offer, Please do not close thread on grounds of DS calling me names. I take no offence and it harms him more than me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 03:44 AM It shows that you made 5 posts on that day. The first of them is the one in question. Surely you remember attempting to justify/explain it away recently. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 20 Feb 06 - 03:24 AM This link shows I made NO POST on the 18th September as you stated. This link also shows I never at any time stated I took human life. So the only conclusion one can come up with is that you are a LIAR. Case proven. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 20 Feb 06 - 01:38 AM Here is a link to all Divis Sweeney's early posts. I am not a liar. Why do I persist. It is legitimate to object to a criticism on grounds of hypocrisy. I was just pointing out that he used to admit what he now denies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 07:08 PM Oh by the way Keith you referred to a post I made on 18th September claiming to take life ? Please produce this non existant post. I NEVER MADE ANY POST ON THE 18TH OF SEPTEMBER. WOULD BE GRATEFUL IF MEMBERS WOULD CHECK THIS AND SEE THIS GUY FOR THE LAIR HE HAS JUST PROVEN HIMSELF TO BE ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Epona Date: 19 Feb 06 - 05:53 PM I am SHOCKED and AMAZED to see another thread get turned around and get off track. Wait, no I'm not. So, what's new in the world of the British soldier video? E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 05:31 PM It's okay A1. At a loss myself sometimes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: GUEST,A1 Date: 19 Feb 06 - 05:26 PM Keith you really don't have to lay into the guy so much, think he said it's all over a few times. What's your point ? Dislike of him or the guys who once existed in the I.R.A.? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 05:15 PM Yes Keith all collective groups which Republicans were involved in besides Sinn Fein were disbanded in July 05 at their own request. Not all of these groups were considered illegal. Yes we did do a lot more than plant bombs in litter bins as was said. We developed Irish language classes, Irish Historial societies, Irish Music classes and prisoners aid centres. Yes I am very proud of our boys, just as you are proud of yours Keith. And no Keith I am not a boaster I worked hard for the cause of our people. Oh first signs of losing it is when you have to bring other people into it as you did above. Have a nice evening Seamus |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Feb 06 - 05:01 PM That last was in reply to this from Eric The Red I notice that 'Div ' Sweeney always uses the collective ' we ' or inclusive ' our ' is he really one of them ? or just another idle boaster ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Feb 06 - 04:58 PM I never heard that the republicans disbanded in July 05. How about this quote from 8th October, message 1578840 And we did a lot more than plant bombs in litter bins. And I am very proud of the work our boys did.And no I am no idle boaster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 04:53 PM The quote of the 3rd October Keith, I spoke as a Republican. Do you not know the difference ?????? As for that last remark of yours, making this slurred allegation about me taking human life, that's total rubbish. Now now Keith surely you can do better than this in your failing attempts to move the spotlight away from YOUR thread and the actions of YOUR troops kicking lumps out of young Iraqi's. Oh and by the way thanks for admitting you started a new thread, These are the words you used, Sorry to start a new thread, but the old one is closed. Ah the cue is in the words NEW THREAD. Have a nice evening Seamus |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Feb 06 - 04:37 PM Opening senetence of this thread revival... Sorry to start a new thread, but the old one is closed. If anyone else is still reading this, sorry for the repeat but Sweeney must have missed it last time. On 3rd October in message 1574703 you wrote, " Our victory speaks for its self. We disbanded volunteerily in July05. The same can't be said for the B Specials, U.D.R. and The R.U.C. Your British government disbanded them for their actions. We will be remembered by historians as hero's one and all. " There was also your post of 18thSeptember (1566239) where you spoke of having shot people to death. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 04:21 PM If a contributer who had once been one of those nasty men in the UVF,LVF or UFF came on this forum sanctimoniously criticising some infringment of human rights by someone else, I would remind them of their past too. Keith you are doing it again, Once been one of those nasty men, remind them of their past. Please dig up any post where I claimed membership of the PIRA on this site ? Also if my thread was closed how could you of revived it ? No Keith, new thread, your thread. Ask Joe if you don't believe me. Let's get back to YOUR thread about British peace keepers kicking lumps out of Iraqi's. Hope your well. Best wishes Seamus |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Feb 06 - 04:11 PM Nope, your thread. Revived by me when Joe closed it. See opening post this thread. If a contributer who had once been one of those nasty men in the UVF,LVF or UFF came on this forum sanctimoniously criticising some infringment of human rights by someone else, I would remind them of their past too. I expect you would too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 03:42 PM Carefully crafted words may have been enough to strike a reaction Keith. But using the same old lines that I have read from you over and over again and having given you the same reply over and over doesn't. Everyone must work to make sure conflict in Ireland is a thing of the past. Is that a problem for you Keith ? "Sinn Fein is committed to exclusively peaceful and democratic means to achieve a way forward." An end to conflict over here means all weapons of all groups must be destroyed. Are you aware of Loyalist groups here in the North of Ireland ?. Well Keith there are very nasty men over here in loyalist groups such as the UVF. LVF. UFF. Did nobody tell you about them ? How do you feel about them ? Did I not tell you about the PIRA ending the war last July ? So so sorry Keith, it slipped my mind, was kinda busy at the time. The British government on the 28th of July told us it was a "A highly significant initiative" and for us all to move forward together and leave the past behind. So tell me please Keith is there a problem here for you ? Thanks so much for the acknowledgement of me saying sorry to you Keith, means a lot to hear it. So let's get back to this thread which is about British soldiers Kicking and beating Iraqi's. The thread you started ? Well it's got you name on it, not mine! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Feb 06 - 03:08 PM You did not reply to the thread Sweeney, you started it. Remember? This is just a continuation of it. And yes, it was big of you to say sorry for the torturing, killing and disappearing that your firm engaged in institutionally (i.e. not just rogue, out of control members but routine policy). It still leaves you in a weak position to criticise much less savage behaviour in others. You must have expected your position to be challenged. Let he who is without sin sling the first mud. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 02:04 PM Richard, The capbadge of the Inniskillings was a flaming grenade as worn by many Fusilier Regiments. The Inniskillings had the castle of Enniskillen in the centre. The only Irish Regiment out in Iraq are the Royal Irish Regiment who's badge is a crowned maid of Erne harp. Best wishes Seamus. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Richard Bridge Date: 19 Feb 06 - 01:16 PM I thought I was told that the (however it is spelt) Inniskillings still existed as a cap badge if not an entirely separate entity. I profess to no knowledge about British military organisation, merely reporting what I was I thought told. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Epona Date: 19 Feb 06 - 10:13 AM Then I suppose it's a good thing that I'm not here to convince you of anything, Keith! :) Cheers, E |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 10:00 AM As many are aware, the sins of the now disbanded PIRA have been apologized for. I apologized to you several times in the last thread, something I note to didn't reply to. The topic of this thread is very current. That's why I replied to it. I have never asked or expected an apology from you as to the past sins of your countrymen. That's were we differ Keith. It takes a big man in my book to say the word sorry. Sorry moved out of the glass house last July after your elected government accepted the apology and asked people to move on. Mr. Blair must have got your answerphone and decided not to leave a message. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Feb 06 - 07:43 AM Sweeney, I can agree with your 06.44 post. We only ever disagreed about whether you were in a position to criticise. With your history you are living in a glass house. Sling away with the mud but hold the stones! Till the next time, Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 07:04 AM And sorry the regiment used the old spelling which was Inniskillings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brit soldiers video From: Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Feb 06 - 07:01 AM Richard the Enniskillings were disbanded in 1968 along with the Royal Ulster Rifles and Royal Irish Fusiliers during the amalgamation. They formed the Royal Irish Rangers who with the Ulster Defence Regiment were disbanded in 1992 to form the Royal Irish Regiment. I am told the Royal Irish Regiment were not stationed there were the incident took place two years ago. |
