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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 05:48 PM I don't fear honest and decent people with firearms. I fear for the honest decent people without them. Now you want to talk to me about real meaningful gun laws to keep them out of criminal hands you will have my full support |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 05:40 PM If they are trained pass all the Fbi tests I would arm everyone that wants That's thousands of more defacto cops out there then before. And no taxpayer dollars. Cause you see a cop is not magical wood elf It's your neighbors who decided to do law enforcement. Same handgun training and license requirement in my state anyway. Now ifevery sstate had it great. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 05:33 PM Not being reported. Shoot in a mall in my homestate and 40 ppeople will shoot back you will wait for the police and maybe 100 more will die |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 05:30 PM Yours are being reported Dude that's my point yo . Got more than your share of murders and you have no rights none but to take it in the ass at least here we can defend |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Backwoodsman Date: 30 Sep 14 - 03:31 PM Dude, what does Harold Shipman have to do with this discussion? He wasn't a shooter, he was a doctor who murdered his geriatric, and often terminally ill, patients by injecting them with a lethal dose of medication which he had prescribed, and he then faked their death certificates. They trusted him, and they never knew what he did to them. How, precisely, would those bang-bangs you get such a hard-on talking about have helped his victims? And it really is false equivalence to try to use the fact that I forgot about one murderer as some ridiculous justification for your proposal that UK gun-death rates are greater than those of the U.S. UK population - approx. 60 million UK average gun-deaths - 50 per annum US population - approx. 360 million US average gun-deaths - approx. 11,000 per annum Do the maths and report back with the result. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Ebbie Date: 30 Sep 14 - 02:40 PM Heck, I may as well say it: It is like a rape manual for the good guy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Ebbie Date: 30 Sep 14 - 02:36 PM I viewed the links that Backwoodsman posted. Or at least, as much of them as I could stomach. Their lighthearted approach to deadly weapons is a tad offputting. Or course, they are gun dealers. The part that absolutely boggles my mind is that when they are talking about guns, how to shoot, how to conceal (they even have guns that fold in half in order to easily fit in a backpack), what you can do on a campus where gun carry is not allowed- don't they realize that all of their 'tips' are real handy for the criminal? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 01:52 PM Mike I agree with you. Our states are really so messed up. Some states carry permits are way too easy and it alarms me also my friend. The only good about being able to carry is maybe you could stop a problem before it becomes one. I don't have all the answers for all the violence in the world. It is all insane I wish no one ever needed the things myself but I have t. Be real and know its not that way. Any way it is a good discussion. And the nra is nuts and the gun companies get richer. Nothing is good about any of it. Proper laws would help a lot if we had them |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: MGM·Lion Date: 30 Sep 14 - 01:31 PM But supposing I had been walking about with a gun in my pocket, just like you, Dan: what good, precisely, do you think that would have done the poor women that the crossbowman ate? & why is it that your murder rates, esp those committed by shooting, are so much in excess of anyone else's [see posts passim, or google the statistics], if your sacred 2nd Amendment makes you all so safe? Just asking. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 30 Sep 14 - 01:27 PM Yes, only bad people can go armed here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 01:14 PM The fact that you guys didn't know about your own serial killer that murdered women with a crossbow and ATE them makes me ponder the question. Does you goverment hide it in the closet? In America that would have run for a month on national news. We tend to put such things in a window to tell people there are crazies be careful. You seem to put them in the closet .. I also supect it is just our news media wanting the highest TV placement . However things may not be as you say in your country as I see it from what it reported. Sadly you cannot defend yourselves ... not good |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 12:39 PM When I look at your list of killers I think per population you are as bad or worse than the US. I agree we need laws that make sense but I will keep my 2nd admendment thanks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 12:20 PM Don't forget your Harold Shipman . Wasn't it 215 people murdered. I am beginning to think you guys a sitting ducks. At least we can fight back |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 12:13 PM His name is stephan Griffiths The crossbow cannibal from Bradford. Key in cross bow cannibal in Google and read |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 12:09 PM You forgot Smith and Wesson. They make a pretty pink gun for the fashionable ladies |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 12:07 PM Not comparing nut jobs.. Mine would win hands down for sure. There was a tv show on yesterday about the guy who used the crossbow in england. He wanted his 15min of fame. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Musket Date: 30 Sep 14 - 11:47 AM Another post deleted. Its when Keith posts that mine get deleted.. Be buggered if I know what the link is... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Backwoodsman Date: 30 Sep 14 - 11:20 AM "Didn't you guys have some wacko who killed women with a crossbow. Griffen or something like that." Never heard that one Dude. Evidence? "Every country has its share of nuts" They do, Dude. But the evidence suggests that yours has considerably more than its share:- Top 5 Guns For The College-Bound Options For Your Child's First Gun Top 5 Guns To Scare Your Daughter's Boyfriend What a bunch of absolute loonies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 30 Sep 14 - 09:30 AM Didn't you guys have some wacko who killed women with a crossbow. Griffen or something like that. Every country has its share of nuts |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 30 Sep 14 - 08:35 AM You did not say he was convicted of anything Musket. I was just emphasising that he was not just convicted of manslaughter. It is not all about you Musket, and no-one is plotting against you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: MGM·Lion Date: 30 Sep 14 - 08:27 AM The facts: 'Martin was convicted of murder, later reduced to manslaughter on grounds of diminished responsibility, and served three years in prison, having been denied parole' Wikipedia ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 30 Sep 14 - 04:42 AM Some gun ownership is allowed here, for sport or pest control. Not for self defence. Guns can not be carried in public but can be kept at home with mandatory security of them. The law here has changed in recent years to give home owners more rights to use force to defend their home and family. We previously had cases like the man arrested for fighting against an intruder armed with a knife because the intruder died, stabbed with his own knife. Inevitably someone will shoot an intruder and we will see how it is dealt with. Musket mentioned the Martin case.(deleted) He lived on a remote farm where police response would be too late, and had suffered numerous break ins. He shot the boy, but outside in his grounds and in the back. He left him to die and did not call for an ambulance. He was convicted of murder, not manslaughter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST,Rahere Date: 29 Sep 14 - 06:52 PM The reason the US risks descent into anarchy is because of the NRA argument that weapons are needed to defend the civilian populace against the forces of order. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 29 Sep 14 - 09:17 AM Now see here- this is why everyone is gonna need a gun in a couple of years. September 28, 2014 Top Republican Presidential Candidate Says Anarchy May Force Cancellation Of 2016 Election Dr. Ben Carson, a popular Tea Party activist and Fox News contributor who says he will likely seek the Republican nomination for president in 2016, said on Sunday that he is seriously concerned that there will not be 2016 elections in the United States because the country could be in anarchy by that point. Carson finished a close second Saturday in a straw poll at the 2014 Values Voters Summit for 2016 presidential preferences. With assholes like this running around- and idiots actually beieving him - its no wonder sensible legislation is doomed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Musket Date: 29 Sep 14 - 08:01 AM I know. You couldn't dig a 'tater plot without letting one variety seed itself where another variety has been sown. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 29 Sep 14 - 06:00 AM Musket, I only asked, "Musket, in that story, had the criminal broken in to someone's home?" That was my whole post! There is no plot against you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 28 Sep 14 - 08:35 PM maybe your system works because of your health care programs. Over here if you are as crazy as a loon and tend to be violent, no mental health provider can report you unless threats are made. Even then it would not be taken serious. Our privacy laws really make reporting difficult. So until a nut case kills a whole bunch of people then others ask why wasn't someone aware. Maybe you folks head it off. And no one was bragging about pulling a weapon, that is nothing to be proud of .. I pulled mine to save lives I was stating a fact .. I would use mine to save lives nothing more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 28 Sep 14 - 07:42 PM I agree to disagree. You have the right to meet deadly force with deadly force here in the US. I guess you guys don't and that makes me wonder. The guy that stopped the criminal who killed that lady, if he had not by the time the police came there would have been a lot more bodies. but hey if it works for you great, it works for me fine .. I don't ask permission to defend myself . Maybe your cops are next door I don't know. Mine take a while and by then someone is dead. Rather it not be me or an innocent |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST Date: 28 Sep 14 - 06:48 PM ""The chief operations officer of the Vaughns took a gun from his desk and dispatched the Muslim jihadist. That is why we have guns. If the Brits do not like they can all (fill in blank yourselves)."" I'm sure the victim's family will be MOST impressed that some gung ho, trigger man shot the perp, who didn't know about not bringing a knife to a gun fight. Over here that would be called "excessive force", unless he fired in time to save that poor woman. Us Brits have people whose job it is to bring murderers to justice, not summarily execute them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Sep 14 - 03:09 PM Apologies, Musket, if I misread your meaning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Sep 14 - 03:08 PM I believe Musket's story was a jokey re-write of oldude's boast a couple of posts before, to demonstrate what would likely have happened to our very own Audie Murphy wannabe if he'd started waving his .45 around here in the U.K. - even if it was a criminal he waved it at, he'd be nicked just the same because he too would be a criminal by virtue of carrying an offensive weapon in public. And quite right too - nobody, licensed or not, should be walking around with an offensive weapon in a civilised country. It's unnecessary and....errrmmm.....uncivilised. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Ebbie Date: 28 Sep 14 - 01:21 PM KeithofH, I believe that the Musket is telling us that his story is apocryphal. But I too am curious. What extenuating circumstances apply? An American, I have no answers for our plague of guns and our gun culture, and the older I get the less sure I am of anything. However, I do know my views on capital punishment. I'm a'gin it. I do know my views on war. I'm a'gin it. The law of tooth and claw should be abandoned in babyhood. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 28 Sep 14 - 07:49 AM Musket, in that story, had the criminal broken in to someone's home? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST,Rahere Date: 28 Sep 14 - 07:29 AM It's not that they are in a hole. It's that they want to stay in the hole and expect everyone else to join them in it which angers me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Musket Date: 28 Sep 14 - 02:51 AM Some day I will tell you about the man threatening a criminal with a '45. Being a civilised country, they ended up in adjoining cells. The judge saying that taking the law into your own hands is barbaric and not acceptable in a free country. Just thought I'd rewrite it for progressive people who learn about such things in history and geography about the dangers of some foreign countries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 27 Sep 14 - 08:17 PM Gnu I like elk man an elk roast is amazing |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 27 Sep 14 - 07:36 PM Some time I will tell you about the creep who decided to come after two girls with a knife. He found himself staring down the barrel of my. 45 I never needed to fire that ended it quickly |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST Date: 27 Sep 14 - 06:05 PM I wonder if this works? Flanders and Swann. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST,Rahere Date: 27 Sep 14 - 05:04 PM I can't get my head around Gnu shooting a Moose. or is it t'other way around? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: gnu Date: 27 Sep 14 - 02:51 PM Every sentient being has the right to defend itself by any means necessary. There are good gun laws and bad gun laws. I offer this... get rid of bad gun laws and strictly enforce good gun laws. It ain't rocket science. Unfortunately, most science and common sense are desperately lacking in the general populace, as has been witnessed in this here Mudcat Café for THOUSANDS of posts on many gun threads. So. To answer the OP. No... not a fuckin hope... US gun laws, overall, are completely fucked up. Nearly the same thing in Canuckistan (my Great White Homeland) but for very different reasons. If anyone would like to know of what I speak, read my MANY posts on ALL of the past gun threads. If you accept researching just the info contained on past Mudcat gun threads, see you in 2015. BTW... a buddy of mine knocked a bull yesterday at dawn... 1055 dressed. He lives in Three Miles In Back of Beyond, Kent County, NB.ca and he is gonna feed his extended family for over a year with moozzze meat. Don't fuck him up with bad gun laws. Fuck over criminals with good guns laws instead... or shut the fuck up*. * That's a recurring theme in my past posts. PS... address issues and don't address me personally on this thread in future unless you PM me because I really don't give two fucks from Tuesday about what you don't understand about what I have just posted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 27 Sep 14 - 11:24 AM Maybe Kerry was a bad choice. Maybe not. In either case, his failure to live up to the idealized movie image of a naval officer in his twenties shouldn't have carried any decisive weight. Exactly, lighter. However, in addition it was proven that several of the "swiftboaters" DID lie oughtright. The point is also that the military is like any other group of individuals: some extroadinary, most of the middling sort, and some really despicable. Describing reality is hardly "defaming Veteran's memories". Now Q, you never responded to the query about thinking that the Vietnam War and its casualties were things to make jokes about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Sep 14 - 11:23 AM Battlefield tours were meant to be cathartic - and should not be uttered in the same breath as that handpicked veterans swift boat group dreamed up by Bush buddies to sneer at John Kerry. Swift Boat Veterans formed for the exclusive reason to smear a political candidate. After the election, the group was credited by media and praised by conservatives as contributing to Kerry's defeat. The group's tactics are considered an example of a successful political smear campaign for its widely publicized then discredited claims. . . . People who weren't present with Kerry have been convinced that they should doubt Kerry's military record. But they were subjected to pressure by a powerful political machine. All of this Bush-era nonsense in the end was enough to inspire the creation of several political fact check groups in order to quickly examine and debunk or confirm the "facts" in the claims. And none of this modern-day activity should be used to judge or sort out the actual events of the Vietnam war. Talk about taking events out of context . . . SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Lighter Date: 27 Sep 14 - 10:23 AM They didn't "defame" him. They give their personal opinions that he was crummy officer nearly forty years earlier. I haven't heard that they slandered him, as by lying - which is the essence of defamation. Like so many here, people swayed by the ad couldn't tell the difference between fact and opinion, a straw man argument, cherry-picked testimony, and (perhaps) the relevance of behavior forty years ago, long before Kerry's more than competent career in the U.S. Senate. Maybe Kerry was a bad choice. Maybe not. In either case, his failure to live up to the idealized movie image of a naval officer in his twenties shouldn't have carried any decisive weight. Or should it have? Opinions. Everyone's got plenty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Greg F. Date: 27 Sep 14 - 09:52 AM Defaming, Q? Please show where, exactly. Vietnam Battlefield Tours was founded by Vietnam veterans, Certain Vietnam veterans also 'swiftboated' John Kerry. Your point? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: pdq Date: 27 Sep 14 - 08:21 AM "Today some guy went into work and cut the head off of his female coworker (because he) wanted everyone to be Muslim...wonder why I carry a fucking gun." ~ oldude The chief operations officer of the Vaughns took a gun from his desk and dispatched the Muslim jihadist. That is why we have guns. If the Brits do not like they can all (fill in blank yourselves). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: GUEST Date: 27 Sep 14 - 05:38 AM Muhammed Ali just didn't know what "Mi deng" meant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Musket Date: 27 Sep 14 - 02:26 AM All this "I served" waffle.. What ideal do you think you were furthering? The right to carry guns? Sick puppies. Mohammed Ali summed it up perfectly for me when he was man enough to refuse and take the consequences. "No Vietnamese ever called me a nigger." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: MGM·Lion Date: 27 Sep 14 - 01:48 AM Out of interest, Dan: could you demonstrate in what way that 'fucking gun' in your pocket was in any way of aid or service to that unfortunate young woman beheaded by that nut in Oklahoma [I think it was]? I honestly do not see the mutual relevance or application of the two parts of your equation. Regards ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: olddude Date: 26 Sep 14 - 08:57 PM It is just a mistake and poor choice of words lets all forget it Today some guy went into work and cut the headoff of his female coworker wanted everyone to be Muslim Fucking streets and even work is now more dangerous than covert intelligence Wonder why I carry a fucking gun |
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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone defend US gun law? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 26 Sep 14 - 07:53 PM The only one defaming Veteran's memories is Greg F. Vietnam Battlefield Tours was founded by Vietnam veterans, for veterans and their families, historians, and educators. See their website. U. S. Army veteran, WW2. |
