BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: GUEST,a proud Canadian
Date: 29 May 01 - 12:45 PM

Someone who calls himself "JohnB" attacks me for not using my own name.

Only at Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Bill D
Date: 29 May 01 - 12:40 PM

Quebec is Canada's Texas, only the language barrier is not as extreme for the Canadians...*grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: GUEST,JohnB
Date: 29 May 01 - 12:39 PM

CH does seem to try to piss people off at times but in this case his first phrase in the posting says "From a stupid friend of mine... " So in this case the credit is not entirely his. It is obviously meant to be humerous. If it gives a tinge of pain here and there, I would tend to say "The truth hurts" What gives me far more touble on this particular thread is a supposedly "PROUD CANADIAN" who is too shit scared to use his/her own name. JohnB who like DTAM is an exAnglo who spent 2 years in Quebec, and althogh mostly posts as a guest is a member, who posts mostly from work.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 May 01 - 12:08 PM

Now now, children, let's play nice! And Lingual Cleansing would be a great name for a rock band, to take a little from Dave Barry!

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 01 - 12:08 PM

Thanks Dave...

*sniff*

That was beautiful, man...

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 29 May 01 - 12:03 PM

Poor Clinton... can't crack a joke without pissing off a Mudcat PC Police Hound. LMAO buddy ( I'm an ex Anglo Quebecer) He is pretty close to the truth with his comments, but few Canadians want to hear it. Canada would rather see immigrants and minorities intimidated, and made to feel unwanted, so Quebec can continue unchallenged attempts to lingually clense the State of Quebec. Racism and prejudice are alive and well but apparently you have to be French Canadian to get away with it in Canada. Yours, (have a Bonjour)Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 01 - 12:02 PM

Well then APC, consider yourself ENABLED!

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 May 01 - 12:01 PM

I am going to defend GuesttheProudCanadian. Basically, I was also annoyed to see yet another Top Ten Stereotypes about yet another something, but it didn't BOTHER me enough to respond to that aspect of it, I just didn't read the thread. At first. Then (for some reason) I read some of the postings, and took exception (and still do) to the usurping of a specific term, Racism, to mean something generic, to wit, Prejudice. But I can see that if you belong to one of the groups being so lampooned, that it might bother you more than it did me, not being Canadian. But I agree with ClintonHammond et al. that it ought to have been obvious that it WAS a lampoon, and so arguing each particular point with mere facts isn't going to get you far...

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: GUEST,a proud Canadian
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:57 AM

I've read that thread. Your suggestion is that if you don't like a thread, ignore it.

Well, I'm sorry. I grew up in the folk music revival and one of the things that I learned from people like Pete Seeger is that you confront racism and prejudice, you don't ignore it.

Ignoring racism and prejudice at Mudcat is to enable it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:51 AM

Hey proud Canadian!

read this!

Threads/Posts you don't Like?

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:46 AM

*sigh*

This guest needs that bran muffin...

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:39 AM

It's new to me, and it's new compared to the original definition. Quibble with a master, will you! Ah ha ha ha ha!

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: GUEST,a proud Canadian
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:35 AM

Mrrzy said: "Ah, new definitions, I see."

No, not a "new" definition. A Webster dictionary definition and a common use of the term.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Metchosin
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:30 AM

Not to be left out of places bombed by the Japanese, they also lobbed a shell at Vancouver Island, near Bamfield. So there....We've been stoned and bombed.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:29 AM

Ah, new definitions, I see. I will continue to use Racism to mean Racism, and prejudice to mean (less specific) prejudice. Will try to remember to define my terms, though! Man o man, wonder what's next. By that definition, sexism is racism! At least, I *think* women are people, as are men, as are lesbians, as are... and so on...(Not making fun of YOU, GuestAPC, just of what English is being turned into by the PC police...)

How about we at the Mudcat, at least, keep the term Prejudice to mean prejudice? And racism to mean Prejudice based on race, and Sexism to mean Prejudice based on sex... and Agism = prejudice based on age, and so on. No need to usurp a perfectly good term with its own specific meaning to mean a generic thing that we already have a term for...

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: GUEST,a proud Canadian
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:18 AM

Canadians are not a race.

However, the term "racism" is not exclusive to racial prejudice.

The Webster dictionary next to my desk defines the word "racism" as: "pejudice against certain peoples."

French Canadians are a certain people.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 May 01 - 11:11 AM

Excuse me, but when did Canada become a race? Ingroup-outgroup stereotypes, maybe, but being a Canadian doesn't say anything more about your race than being American does. You might be Caucasian or Native American or have ancestors from Europe, Asia, South America, you name it, and be Canadian. Or American. Speaking French might also make for stereotyping, but again, it isn't RACIAL stereotyping. When I learned French, I did not become a member of a different race than I had been born to... or did I miss something? Is all making fun of "them" (in contrast to whatever Us you want to be for the nonce) now racism? And whatever happened to Vive la Différence, anyway? Can't these things be taken as celebratory of the differences amongst folks, or are those very differences now to be whitewashed (I choose my terms carefully) to avoid the possibility of "different" meaning "less/more" --or can we notice the differences and cherish them, even make fun of them, because they are a good thing to have around and to notice? Just wondering...

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: GUEST,a proud Canadian
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:57 AM

You don't take issue with racism, but you do take issue with someone who does.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Wavestar
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:52 AM

Then don't laugh. I didn't. (not at that one anyhow.) Maybe it's just too beautiful a day for me to be getting upset.

-J

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: GUEST,a proud Canadian
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:37 AM

Yes, I am bothered by racism.

I find it very sad that so often, Mudcat is a forum for the spread of racism under the excuse of "joking."

There is nothing funny in the propagation of racist stereotypes.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Wavestar
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:28 AM

Ahh.. here under my own cookie. :)

I am, as LJC astutely guessed, looking at two years graduate work at Memorial University of Newfoundland, in St Johns. I'm looking forward to the music. Don't know much about the place, though, or the program I'm considering... yet. I'll come visit sometime.

a proud Canadian - We knew ClintonHammond was joking. he does that a lot. Sometimes it raises people's hackles, mine included. But we also know that what he says is stereotype and exaggeration. Hey, Quebec is my northern neighbour, I've met lots of great Quebecers. Life's too short to let everyone bother you :)

-J

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: GUEST,a proud Canadian
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:22 AM

According to Clinton Hammond:

TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN QUEBEC 1. Everybody assumes you're an asshole 2. Racism is socially acceptable 3. The only province to ever kidnap federal politicians 4. You can take bets with your friends on which English neighbor will move out next 5. Other provinces basically bribe you to stay in Canada 6. The FLQ 7. Your hockey team is made up entirely of dirty French guys 8. The province with the oldest, nastiest hookers 9. NON-smokers are the outcasts 10. You can blame all your problems on the "Anglo bastards"

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In case anyone thinks that there's truth in Clinton's racist attempt to be funny at the expense of French Quebecers, I will point out that the "province" never kidnapped "federal politicians."

Only one PROVINCIAL politician and one British diplomat were ever kidnapped. Not by the province, but by the FLQ, in October 1970, more than thity years ago.

Clinton further cites the FLQ as one of his reasons. The FLQ was smashed in 1970.

Many of Clinton's other lists do reflect an "attempt" to be funny. However, when it comes to Quebec and French Canadians, he proves himself a racist.

Why is Mudcat such a magnet for racists?

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: GUEST,little john cameron
Date: 29 May 01 - 10:07 AM

J/CAMISUE,Gnu is right.Nfld can't be beat for music.I suppose you are heading for St Johns.Go to Erins pub and ask for me.Gnu,where are you? ljc

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: gnu
Date: 29 May 01 - 06:39 AM

J, c/o CamiSu.... two years on the Rock and you may never leave ! Where on the Granite Planet are you "considering" ? I have travelled/worked extensively in NF and can tell you straight up that Newfies are friendly, humourous, ... don't get me started... I may never leave.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: SeanM
Date: 28 May 01 - 06:17 PM

Reading this, the main thing that pops to mind...

'Look at the Yukon,
With its' bloody big forests
Isn't it grand, boys, to be bloody well lost
Let's have some lager,
then shoot at some bloody caribou,
And always remember because you live here,
There's nothing else for you to do..."


M
(Not in or from Canada, but dear gods - never give an ex-Canadian beer and talk to him about his home. Makes you wonder why anyone lives north of the 'strip' anyway...)

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: CamiSu
Date: 28 May 01 - 04:48 PM

And damn - here I am, considering two years in Newfoundland...

-J, on her mother's account.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: CamiSu
Date: 28 May 01 - 04:47 PM

And what about Nunavet? -J

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 May 01 - 04:14 PM

You're right! I'd forgotten about that. The thing is, people are usually bombed in the Yukon anyway, so I doubt they would have noticed.

Boy, you gotta admire those Japanese for trying though... :-)

They also had a plan to bomb the Panama Canal, but never actually succeeded in doing so.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: kendall
Date: 28 May 01 - 04:02 PM

Or the Yukon? What about the baloon bombs that the Japanese sent over here? Some of them went off.

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 May 01 - 03:59 PM

TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES 1. The poorest, stupidest, drunkest territories in Confederation 2. It's too damn cold for WalMart 3. In the very rare case when someone moves here you can make them kiss a dead wolverine...or, if they're really stupid, an iron fence pole 4. Whole lotta snow! 5. If you do something stupid, no one will even notice the difference 6. You don't understand the meaning of Great Big Sea's lyrics 7. Work for 3 months/Drink for 9 months 8. Get to wrestle polar bears and have sex with all your clothes still on, but not at the same time. 9. If someone says it's cold, you are allowed to kick their ass 10. It is socially acceptable to wear your parka in the shower if it still works...the shower, I mean...

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: MarkS
Date: 28 May 01 - 03:32 PM

So what happened to the Northwest Territories?

Subject: RE: BS: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 May 01 - 03:13 PM

Geez, Clinton, that pretty well covers it!

By the way, Nova Scotia was NOT "The only place in North America to get bombed in the war". A very small Japanese plane, launched off a very large Japanese submarine, actually managed to drop a couple of little bombs on the America west coast. I think it was in Oregon or Washington, and I believe the pilot targeted some factory building. I don't know if anyone noticed at the time (the US military certainly did not), but it did happen.

Call it the "Doo-almost-nothing Raid"!

Other than that...Go, Canada, Go!!!

- LH

Subject: Ain't Canada Grand! LOL!!
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 28 May 01 - 02:30 PM

From a stupid friend of mine...

Reasons to live in Canada...by province

TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA
1. Weed
2. Vancouver: 1.8 million people and two bridges
3. The local hero is a pot-smoking snowboarder
4. The local wine doesn't taste like malt vinegar
5. Your $400,000 Vancouver home is 5 hours from downtown
6. A university with a nude beach
7. You can throw a rock and hit three Starbucks locations
8. If a cop pulls you over, just offer them some of your hash
9. There's always some sort of deforestation protest going on
10. Cannabis

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN ALBERTA
1. Big Rock Beer
2. Preston Manning
3. Tax is 7 percent instead of approx. 200 percent
4. The Premier is a fat alcoholic with a grade 4 education
5. Flames vs. Oilers
6. Stamps vs. Eskies
7. You can exploit almost any natural resource you can think of
8. Eventually, it will be your town's turn to ban VLT's
9. The Americans below you are all in anti-government militia groups
10. You can attempt to murder your rich oil tycoon husband and get away with it.

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN SASKATCHEWAN
1. You never run out of wheat
2. Those cool Saskatchewan Wheat Pool hats
3. Cruise control takes on a whole new meaning
4. Your province is really easy to draw
5. You never have to worry about roll-back if you have a standard
6. It takes you two weeks to walk to your neighbor's house
7. YOUR Roughriders survived
8. You can watch the dog run away from home for hours
9. People will assume you live on a farm
10. Buying a huge John Deere mower makes sense

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN MANITOBA
1. You wake up one morning to find you suddenly have beach front property
2. Amusing town names like "Flin Flon" and "Winnipeg"
3. All your local bands make it big and move to Toronto
4. The only province to ever violently rebel against the federal government
5. Hundreds of huge, horribly frigid lakes
6. Nothing compares to a wicked Winnipeg winter
7. You don't need a car, just take the canoe to work
8. You can be an Easterner or a Westerner depending on your mood
9. Because of your license plate, you are still "friendly" even when you cut someone off
10. Pass the time watching trucks and barns float by

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN ONTARIO
1. You live in the center of the universe
2. Your $400,000 Toronto home is actually a dump
3. You and you alone decide who will win the federal election
4. There's no such thing as an Ontario Separatist
5. Your grandparents sold booze to the States during Prohibition
6. Lots of tourists come to Toronto because they mistakenly believe it's a cool city
7. The only province with hard-core American-style crime
8. Much Music's Speaker's Corner - rant and rave on national TV for a dollar
9. Baseball fans park on your front lawn and pee on the side of your house
10. Mike Harris: basically a sober Ralph Klein

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN QUEBEC
1. Everybody assumes you're an asshole
2. Racism is socially acceptable
3. The only province to ever kidnap federal politicians
4. You can take bets with your friends on which English neighbor will move out next
5. Other provinces basically bribe you to stay in Canada
6. The FLQ
7. Your hockey team is made up entirely of dirty French guys
8. The province with the oldest, nastiest hookers
9. NON-smokers are the outcasts
10. You can blame all your problems on the "Anglo bastards"

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN NEW BRUNSWICK
1. You are sandwiched between French assholes and drunken celtic fiddlers
2. One way or another, the government gets 98 percent of your income
3. You're poor, but not as poor as the Newfies
4. When listing the provinces, everyone forgets to mention yours
5. The economy is based on fish, cows, and ferrying Ontario motorists to Boston
6. No one ever blames anything on New Brunswick
7. You have French people, but they don't want to kill you
8. Everybody has a Grandfather who runs a lighthouse
9. Just as charming as Maine, but with more unemployed fishermen
10. You probably live in a small seaside cottage with no television

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN NOVA SCOTIA
1. The only place in North America to get bombed in the war... by a moron who set a munitions ship on fire
2. Your province is shaped like male genitalia
3. Everyone is a fiddle player
4. If someone asks if you're a Newfie, you are allowed to kick their ass
5. The local hero is an insane, fiddle playing, sexual pervert
6. The province that produced Rita MacNeil, the world's largest land mammal
7. You are the reason Anne Murray makes money
8. You can pretend you have Scottish heritage as an excuse to wear a kilt
9. The economy is based on fish, lobster, and fiddle music
10. Even though it smells like dead sea animals, Halifax is considered Canada's most beautiful city

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE ON PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND
1. Even though more people live on Vancouver Island, you still got the big-ass bridge
2. You can walk across the province in half an hour
3. You were probably once an extra on "Road to Avonlea"
4. This is where all those tiny red potatoes come from
5. The economy is based on fish, potatoes, and CBC TV shows
6. Tourists arrive, see the "Anne of Green Gables" house, then promptly leave
7. You can drive across the the province in two minutes
8. It doesn't matter to you if Quebec separates
9. You don't share a border with the Americans, or with anyone for that matter
10. You can confuse ships by turning your porch lights on and off at night

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TOP 10 REASONS TO LIVE IN NEWFOUNDLAND
1. The poorest, stupidest, drunkest province in Confederation
2. If Quebec Separates, you will float off to sea
3. In the rare case when someone moves to the Rock, you can make them kiss a dead cod
4. The economy is based on fish, seafood, and fish-related products
5. If you do something stupid, you have a built-in excuse
6. You understand the meaning of Great Big Sea's lyrics
7. The work day is about two hours long
8. You are credited with many great inventions, like the solar-powered flashlight and the screen door for submarines
9. If someone asks if you're from Nova Scotia, you are allowed to kick their ass
10. It is socially acceptable to wear your hip waders on your wedding day

Go'damn it's good to be Canadian!

LOL!!!!!