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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST, Old Guy Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:16 PM 1. Called off my vacation When does Bush take a vacation? He has an office staff with him and offices at the ranch, Camp David and in Air Force 1. He is always available, even overseas. As a matter of fact he did have a meeting with Blanco and Nagin on the ground in AF1 in NO wherein he asked Blanko if she wanted him to take over the National Guard. She said she needed 24 hours to give him an answer. She claimed to have asked him before the meeting. 2. Called Michael Brown and told him to meet me at the White House on Sunday, Sept. 28th to discuss what what still intact... intact??? Katrina made landfall 7AM Monday the 29th. 3. Called Gov. Blanca and asked her to be in D.C. for the same meeting. Would she have gone? How would she travel? 4. Called the Joints Chiefs of Staff and had them attend... 5. Called the Secretary of Homeland Security and had him attend... 6. Ask everyone that I called if there was someone else who should be in attendance... All of these meetings would have been premature unless they were going to figure out a way to turn the hurricane around and keep it from hitting. 7. Go on the TV on Sunday night, Sept. 28th and told the country that a massive disaster was bout to occur and plead with folks in New Orleans to try to find ways to evacuate... I would have also asked for churches and community programs in neighboring states to ready themselves for incoming evacuees... I knew from several sources that a disaster was going to occur. I spent Sunday afternoon and into the night convincing my daughter to leave her stuff and get out of NO. Of course you claim Bush to be a liar so folks like you would not believe him. Also why should he override local governments. the plans that they go by say the local government is the first responder. I presume you would ignore the plans and "make up laws as you go" The New Orleans' Emergency Plan for hurricanes and The State of Louisiana Emergency Operations Planhave been made inaccessible for some reason so we can't read that. But the state has made The Federal Response Plan available on their site. Hmmmmmmmm. Does it sound like they are hiding their own failures and placing all of their responsibilities on the Federal Government? 8. Alerted the Red Cross of the coming disaster.. I am sure the Red Cross was well aware of the situation. 9. Set up a command center... I see dozens of command centers that were set up. Most likely each agency and relief group had a command center of their own. Are you saying they should have all been in the same place or some agency did not have one? 10. Not stuck my head in the sand. Complete sarcasm that means nothing and accomplishes nothing. My plan of what should have been done: A. Refuse the Democrats ( like Hillary and Kerry) demand to make FEMA part of Homeland security. B. The residents of Louisianna and New Orleans should have voted for a Republican government. The one they have is typically irresponsible, incapable and corrupt. The way they handle the disaster is to point fingers, hide their failures, find fault with others and hold their hands out for aid. C. Bush should have checked out "Brownie" throughly. He should go back and revisit every appointee to see of they are qualified. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:07 AM bobert, the reference to the date was simply a little dig but does imply questions about the veracity of your posts. Why didn't you addess some of the other points in my post rather than going into the 'bobert defense mode?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 30 Dec 05 - 08:14 AM August 28th, gol dangit, A... You knew I meant August 28th but being the "A" that you are you decided that since I goofed on the month that now your guy did all the right thngs... Next thing ya know you'll be declaring yer guy kind because I don't spell they way you like??? BTW, when was FEMA cut loose, A: 2 days before Katrina ________ 1 day before Katrina _________ The day of Katrina ___________ 1 day after Katrina __________ 2 days after Katrina _________ (pick one) And who triggers the order: "You're doing a good good job" Brownie _____________ The Secretary of DHS Chertoff ______________________ The President ______________________________________ (Pick one) And where does the buck stop if such an order is late coming? Donald Duck _________ Spiro Agnew _________ Jessie Jackson ______ Hillary Clinton _____ GW Bush _____________ (Pick one) Ya starting to get it yet, A??? You need piccures??? There plenty of them.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 30 Dec 05 - 07:46 AM Bobert, while this will seem like a moot point to you and you will say I am too specific or you might even say "Ya gonna ream a guy for a simple mistake?", your September 28th meeting might have been a little late. By a month.. To me, this is indicative of your postings regarding Katrina. The reason I choose to ignore your ranting and ravings. I still wonder why a man in your position would not have tossed some equipment and clothes in a vehicle and went to the area to help out for a couple weeks. Don't forget the Feds and other agencies had hundreds of vehicles headed towards the strike zone a couple days before the hit. They could not get there in time to do the evacuation. That was up to the firsy trsponders. As I said elsewhere, the truth would come to the surface. While it is still apparent that local Government failed to a degree, many of the NO residents could not have been pried out of there with a crowbar. About everything you list was done. The Red Cross and the Salvation Army were on the outskirts of the strike zone BEFORE Katrina hit. Doing what you suggest on Sunday night would have been a little late, don't you think? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 30 Dec 05 - 12:17 AM GOOOOD observation, Bobert. The man of many faces it seems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 29 Dec 05 - 11:40 PM Excuse me, C-Bar,it justseems that at time you are more like O-Guy than o-Guy himself... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 29 Dec 05 - 10:49 PM Okay, Old Guy: 1. Called off my vacation.. 2. Called Michael Brown and told him to meet me at the White House on Sunday, Sept. 28th to discuss what what still intact... 3. Called Gov. Blanca and asked her to be in D.C. for the same meeting. 4. Called the Joints Chiefs of Staff and had them attend... 5. Called the Secretary of Homeland Security and had him attend... 6. Ask everyone that I called if there was someone else who should be in attendance... 7. Go on the TV on Sunday night, Sept. 28th and told the country that a massive disaster was bout to occur and plead with folks in New Orleans to try to find ways to evaculate... I would have also asked for churches and communtiy programs in neigboring states to ready themselves for incoming avacuees... 8. Alerted the Red Cross of the coming disaster.. 9. Set up a command center... 10. Not stuck my head in the sand Yeah, Old Guy, this is what I would have done... Tghis is what Bill Clinton would have done... This is what Richard Nixon would have done... This is what Jerald Ford would have done... This is what Jimmy Carter would have done... This is probably what even Reagan would have done... Your guy??? AWOL!!!! ("Don't bother me, I'm on vacation, you morons...") Hey, Old-G, even Bush's satff had to prepare a movie to show him so that he would ***GET*** what was going down???? Go figure???? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Crowbar Date: 23 Dec 05 - 06:35 PM Bobert: You said nothing of what you would have done. You have no idea of what you would have done. Typical of you. Turn on the vacuum cleaner and put the hose in your right ear. Do you feel air rushing into your left ear? First of all who insisted that FFEMA had to be incorporated into DHS over Bush's objections? Maybe it was the Martians that you think exist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 23 Dec 05 - 06:09 PM Haha, C-Bar... You couldn't be further wrong if you got up at the 4:00 in the morning and packed two lunches for the task... No, I believe very much in "govern"ment... That, my fried isn't anarchy... But, first, what I would have done was after 9/11 and having told people that I was out to protect them, I wouldn't have allowed FEMA to get kicked so far down the food chain that if the United Sates was hit again by terrorists that the country would have no agency with the tools to deal with the aftermath... That is what Bush did... He allowed a fully functional department that had the resources and knowledge to deal with such events to be gutted... Even the last Secretary of FEMA, who had run Bush's 2000 election, quit is disgust when FEMA was gutted... So in answering your question, C-Bar, alllot of what IO wopuld have done is not doing alot of what Bush did... Seems that everything that Clinton had done, Bush just thought he had some mandate because he had better lawyers that Gore to undo... So he undid FEMA and then when the country needed a rapid response after a national catastrope, there wasn't a fully functional FEMA to call upon... I think if the Martians were to drop in and take a loof at what went on that Bush is closer to be the anarchist... BObert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Crowbar Date: 23 Dec 05 - 10:47 AM Bobert: I see you have nothing to say about what you would do to protect Americans if you were in the same situation as Bush. How can you know was wrong if you don't know what was the right thing to do. Your tread is nothing but the rantings of an anarchist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 22 Dec 05 - 03:15 PM "Awww, Buzzer, come on over an get a big hug..." F##kin' Kodak moment there and I missed it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 22 Dec 05 - 08:50 AM Oh, an BTW, T, perhaps you find my sthick threatening but about 99% of my threats are done playfully... Like challenging Bush or Cheney to a fist fight... There is one exception I can recall where I had a Catter blatently making false and vicious charges against me but even this Catter and I have now met personaslly and I believe we have not only a freidship but a level of mutual respect... The rest is just plain funnin'... That's one thing I can always count of from you, however... Your absolute literalism... And, no, there's no threat intended in that observation... Jus' calling it the way I see it... In the word's of John Riggins to Sandra Day O'Conner, "Ya gotta loosen up, Baby..." Peace Bobert p.s. I know, who's John Riggins??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 22 Dec 05 - 08:27 AM The difference in the two was in the "response", T... Yes, same overall organization just that with Katrine one thing was missing: an order for FEMA to mobilize... Brown said he spoke with Bush two days before Katrina amd told him that he was very concerned about the possibility of a Cat 4 or Cat 5 hitting the Gulf Coast... Now we learn that Gov. Blanko was making pleas as well... The White House is sandbagging on providing documents that would prove that... Bottome line, if FEMA was the calvery, because of Bush's failure to order Chertoff to mobilize FEMA, the calvery was late... And, yes, nice job on Rita... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Teribus Date: 22 Dec 05 - 06:01 AM "Bobert - 20 Dec 05 - 06:43 PM I love personal attacks because it means they have no other defense..." Well you would know pal, you make more personal attacks, and threaten more physical violence on this site than anybody else. This thread of yours, that you had provided forewarning on that you had done your "homework on" must have proved a bit of a disappointment around 40% of the posts on it are your own. One point though Bobert can you define the differences between "Katrina" and "Rita" the same overall organisation and procedures were used and in the case of the latter resources were constrained due to ongoing work due to "Katrina" Are you going to congratulate those, top to bottom, involved in dealing with Rita, or doesn't your political bigotry allow that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Crowbar Date: 21 Dec 05 - 12:34 PM Bobert: What would you have done to protect Americans during hurricane Katrina? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 20 Dec 05 - 06:43 PM Refresh, just in case one of the Bush apologists has come up with a "new & improved" story... Ahhhhh, heck, any story will do... They Bushites don't have any answers to this one other than personal attacks... I love personal attacks because it means they have no other defense... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 20 Dec 05 - 12:27 AM Ahhhh, so it was John Prine??? I remember the song... Might have don it in the mid 70's... Heck, maybe I'm makin' it all up... But I ain't makin' up th4 fact5 that Bush dropped the ball on "protecting Americans" when it came to Katrina... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 20 Dec 05 - 12:21 AM Well there ya go -- that makes up fer Bobert doubling up! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Buzz: Date: 20 Dec 05 - 12:19 AM |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 20 Dec 05 - 12:10 AM John Prine??? Awww, Buzzer, come on over an get a big hug... Sniff... I love John Prine songs... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Buzz Date: 19 Dec 05 - 11:59 PM Yass Bobert, your self gratification is most impressive. Ir reminds on of the song: Oh Lord it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way. I can't wait to look in the mirror cause I get better loking each day. To know me is to love me I must be a hell of a man. Oh Lord it's hard to be humble but I'm doing the best that I can. I used to have a girlfriend but she just couldn't compete with all of these love starved women who keep clamoring at my feet. Well I prob'ly could find me another but I guess they're all in awe of me. Who cares, I never get lonesome cause I treasure my own company. Oh Lord it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way, I can't wait to look in the mirror cause I get better looking each day To know me is to love me I must be a hell of a man. Oh Lord it's hard to be humble but I'm doing the best that I can. I guess you could say I'm a loner, a cowboy outlaw tough and proud. I could have lots of friends if I want to but then I wouldn't stand out from the crowd. Some folks say that I'm egotistical. Hell, I don't even know what that means. I guess it has something to do with the way that I fill out my skin tight blue jeans. Oh Lord it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way, I can't wait to look in the mirror cause I get better looking each day To know me is to love me I must be a hell of a man. Oh Lord it's hard to be humble but I'm doing the best that I can. We're doing the best that we can |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 19 Dec 05 - 09:48 PM Opps... How does this happen??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 19 Dec 05 - 09:45 PM That's twice you said that, Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 19 Dec 05 - 09:41 PM Yeah, Bruce, like most of the things that Bush has said that turned out to be lies, his statement "I'm a uniter, not a divider" is as far from the truth as the rest of 'um... You know, sometimes I think he's just plain stupid but other times I give him the benefit of the doubt and just figure the man as a pathological liar... Really don't matter much... What he has done is solidify his presidency as one of the worst, if not the absolute worst, of any of 'um.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 19 Dec 05 - 09:27 PM Yeah, Bruce, like most of the things that Bush has said that turned out to be lies, his statement "I'm a uniter, not a divider" is as far from the truth as the rest of 'um... You know, sometimes I think he's just plain stupid but other times I give him the benefit of the doubt and just figure the man as a pathological liar... Really don't matter much... Waht he has done is solidify his presidency as one of the worst, if not the absolute worst, of any of 'um.... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Peace Date: 19 Dec 05 - 08:44 PM One people divided by a common President. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 19 Dec 05 - 08:41 PM Actually, the corruption is in D.C. where a bunch of radicals are in the process of fleeecing the average workining American to give big tax breaks to folks who don't need them... D.C. is definately the corruption epicenter... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 19 Dec 05 - 09:47 AM Amos, It says nothing about the corruption "behind FEMA's efforts" as it does to the corruption of Lousiana government officials. Nice try, though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Amos Date: 19 Dec 05 - 09:34 AM The Doonesbury comic strip which baldly satirizes the ineptitude and corruption surrounding the reconstruction in the Gulf region of the US was the subject recently of a survey of Louisiana residents who were asked what they thought of it. By and large they seem to thinnk it is fair and represents the actual state of incpmpetence and corruption behind FEMA's efforts. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 19 Dec 05 - 08:55 AM Ahhhh, first of all "jacking off" is fir teenagers... Well, maybe not in yer case... Secondly, you know fully why I refresh this thread and ain't got nuthin to do with me but everything to do with Bush and his Brownshirt followers... Refresh... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Buzz Date: 19 Dec 05 - 07:02 AM Bobert: I see you have to dig up this miserable unpopular thread and post to it when it falls off of the list due to lack of interest. Sort of like jacking off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 18 Dec 05 - 09:11 PM I knew it was you, Leadfingers, when I saw it had hit 100... Yer right on top of this stuff... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Leadfingers Date: 18 Dec 05 - 03:09 PM 100 !! |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Leadfingers Date: 18 Dec 05 - 03:08 PM Oh What Fun ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 17 Dec 05 - 05:42 PM Daily refresh in case any of the Bushites have discovered something about Bush's reponse they find is defendable.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 16 Dec 05 - 10:01 PM Refresh to give the Bushites yet another chance to defend their hero... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: CarolC Date: 15 Dec 05 - 11:54 PM The U.S. govt. (F.E.M.A.) was wasting its money and resources fighting the perceived 'terrorist threat'. Slight correction... The U.S. govt. (F.E.M.A) was wasting the U.S. taxpayer's money and resources (etc.)... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 15 Dec 05 - 10:02 PM Refresh to give the Bushites yet another opportunity to defend their hero... |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 14 Dec 05 - 08:16 PM Well, wel, well, Buzzer... First of all, proclamation that someone is "full of sh*t" is nuting more tha proclaimation... It and 89 cents will get you a 12 ounce cup of coffee at the local conveince store... Now Michael Powel has allready testified before congress that he told Bush on 27 that a Cat 4 or Cat 5 hurricane ***WAS*** going to hit the Gulf coast... This bit of information is a thousand times *MORE* imporatnt than when the Governor made the request.. I mean, really, tell us why you think this is such a *RIVETING* peice of inforamtion... Can you do that??? Now, TO WIT: According to today's Washington Post ("Panel May Subpoena Bush Aides on Storm") it looks as if Bush is trying to runout the clock with thenusual sandbagging tactics he has employed since 2001 when not wanting to provide inforamtion that will show just how incompetent this adminstration is... Oh yeah, Bush and his croonies will argue that they have turned over 450,000 documents but the problem is they aren't turning the ones over that will reveal when various folks told Bush about this or that or made ***requests***, Buzzman, for assistance... So for you to say I'm the one who is "Full of Sh*t" is nuthing perhaps you projecting your own weak knowledge of what's really going on... Heck, there are even Republican congressfolks who want Bush to level with them... But, hark, the Katrinq investigation is about to enter it's 90th day and will die upon that date and then it will be up to the historians to dig out the truth... One thing is for sure, Bush and his secrecy is going to keep historians in employement for decades exposing all his cover-ups... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Buzz Date: 09 Dec 05 - 11:27 PM Again Bobert, you cannot answer a single question because you do not know the answer or you know the answer will prove you are full of shit. You counter with a bunch "More Important" of questions. You answer first |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 09 Dec 05 - 05:18 PM Natural Disaster or Terrorist Attack the Bush administration showed it was not capable of "protecting the American people" either way, d... What was supposed to be in place wouldn't have differentialted between the two... Oh sure, one might require differnet resourches or strategies but either way the Bush administartion failed the Amercian people yet again... The Bush administartions own National Respone Plan that was release last January made mention of natural disasters yet wheh it waas time to act on their own plan, it was the usual deer-in-the-headlights response we're getting purdy used to seeing out of these incompetent fools... For the life of me I can't understand how folks can still defend these losers unless, od course, the defenders are part of the few you gain finacially from the fleecing of the working class... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Teribus Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:41 AM Refresh - looks like the dog didn't only eat Bobert's homework |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: dianavan Date: 08 Dec 05 - 01:21 AM Seems easy to me. The U.S. govt. (F.E.M.A.) was wasting its money and resources fighting the perceived 'terrorist threat'. The Dems may have asked for FEMA in the first place but it was Bush who was responsible for the inaction (inability) of the organization as it stands. Bush couldn't protect the U.S. population from the 911 attack and Bush couldn't protect the U.S. population from Katrina. A good leader knows how to set priorities. Natural disaster was not high on GWB's list. What is disgusting to the rest of the world is how the present U.S. administration always runs, lies and hides whenever the chips are down. Bush has no integrity whatsoever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 07 Dec 05 - 08:07 AM More importantly, Buzzer, is when was Bush alerted that a Cat 4 or Cat5 was going to hit N.O. and that it would devistate the entire region? As fir the shifting command of the Nationa GHuard, that would have been one of the mnay little deatils that FEMA would have been involved with... The National Guard is a red herring and has nothing to do with the fact that Bush, upon learning of the coming disaster, didn't so much as alert his Secretary of HS, who Bush had to have know was his responsibilty in order to get FEMA involved... According to congressional testimony by Michael Brown, some of which is in the initail post of this thread, "Brownie" was on the job and had even broken the chain of command in going to the White House with his concerns as early as the Friday *before* the storm and says that he spoke with Bush on that Saturday about his concerns... Now if I'm a guy who has run all over the country saying "My job is to protect the American people" and I have a Cat 4 heading for a region of my country, I'm gonna cut my vacation a few days and get to doing what I have been boasting I am doing... Now I know that the Bushites arguments are to point their fingers at local authorities but that dog don't hunt either... The Natioanl Response Plan was all about stuff like Katrina and it assumed that the local government were in over their head, in this case, literally... But, thank you, Buzzer, fir at least gettin' in the fray here... Now maybe we can get into some of the real meat and taters of this debate... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 07 Dec 05 - 07:30 AM Bobert is a legend in his own mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,Buzz Date: 07 Dec 05 - 12:06 AM Bobert the Katrina expert: When did Bush ask Blanko if she wanted the Feds to take over the National Guard and her answer was "I need 24 hours to make a decision" (according to Nagin) I will give you a hint, it was aboard Airforce One. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 06 Dec 05 - 09:38 PM Bobert, you are not my friend, never have and never will be. You were kinda' fun to joust with but your attitude of rightousness makes it worthless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 06 Dec 05 - 06:57 PM What part of my argument is bullsh*t, A??? That's all I've asked of you all along yet you are either unwilling or incapable ot debating this issue... Here we are pushin' 90 posts to this thread and not one offers a rebuttal of my original argument... And many of these posts were posted by you, A, which leads me to believe that, other than attacking me with juvilinistic responses, you have nothing really to say to defend Bush's actions regarding Katrina... And guess what? The more you just choose to follow with rope-a-dope tactics the more I see that you are duckin' the real debate here... Yeah, when I say things like this you may think I am attacking you personally but I'm not... All I'm doing is pointing out what must be purdy danged obvious to anyone follwing this thread... You have nothing of substance to say... Fine... Find another thread that you know something about... Yeah, yer claim that I am the bullsh*ter here is a dog that won't hunt... My argument is based on readilly attainable facts... And I provided you with my sources... When yer ready to do some homework and come back and tell me exaxctly what ity is you disagree with in my origanl argument than maybe I'll respond to you again but until then, my friend, I'm cuttin' you loose... Your posts on this thread plainly aren't worth any more of my time... Peace Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: GUEST,A Date: 06 Dec 05 - 03:28 PM Some of us don't understand bullshit, Bobert. Frank, you and Mr. West make a great team. Check out his Bio. |
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate... From: Bobert Date: 06 Dec 05 - 01:32 PM Somehow, either they don't get it, Frank, or more than likely, thry now get it... Thus the deafenin' silence from the Bush camp... B~ |
