BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 10:08 PM

The world according to Hezbollah . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: number 6
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 09:56 PM

Actually ... being a user of PhotShop I'm rather surprised at how amateur looking the 'cloned' smoke looks.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Old Guy
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 09:39 PM

That was me about Photoshop

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 09:33 PM

RE: Doctored photo of Beirut

I use Photoshop a lot and that repeating pattern you see in the smoke is caused by the clone stamp tool.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: robomatic
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 09:21 PM

Q wrote:

"Asked to stay in Israel"- What nonsense! That would mean losing their identity and subjugating themselves to a people and country not their own.

As opposed to the Turkish Sultanate or the English Mandate?

Why is everything legitimate but Israeli representative self government, which is available to all citizens?

Sounds like a good way to exemplify identity and avoid subjugation.

Maybe Q thinks there is no subjugation in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, and Saudi Arabia.

End the Unjust Occupation of Muslim Lands

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Peace
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 08:30 PM

OG,

I just posted a link to the news article on the Gaza thread. Good eye, and thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 08:26 PM

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/184233.php

August 08, 2006
Staged Reuters Photo Incites Muslims to Jihad

Yet another staged Reuters photo. This one with much more distubing implications. A Koran being burned. The caption seems to blame this act of desecration on inaction by the U.S. and U.N. Who took the photo? Adnan Hajj.

I talked about this earlier, but felt it deserved its own space.

A copy of the Koran burns in Southern Beirut after the Hizbollah stronghold was targeted by Israeli airstrikes July 16, 2006. Israeli air raids shook Beirut on Sunday, the fifth day of a devastating assault on Hizbollah and Lebanon that has prompted no UN Security Council action and only a mild plea for restraint from Israel's U.S. ally. Reuters/Adnan Hajj (Beirut)

Very troubling because:

a) it's clearly staged
b) it's clearly meant to incite Muslims
c) it's by you-know-who

Hajj, like all of us, knows exactly what happens when infidels burn Korans. Or flush them down the toilet. Even if the infidels really don't desecrate the Koran, the accusation is enough.

Thanks to Jake for saving the photo and the caption minutes--literally--before Yahoo news yanked them. Jake adds this:

    Clearly, there was some amount of time between the attack and Adnan Hajj arriving on scene to photograph the results.

    If the book was set ablaze by the blast of the bomb, the book would have long disappeared into ash before Hajj arrived with camera and Photoshop in tow.

    The intact burnt pages on the right indicate this is a fast burning fire that rapidly consumed half the book prior to the photo being taken, so fast that the fragile ashen pages have not disintegrated.

    If the book was not set on fire by the blast of the explosion (which is unlikely anyway... the force of the atmospheric overpressure would likely prevent any jetsam object like a book to ignite...I was an aircraft weapons specialist in the US Air Force, BTW), but kindled by residual fires, then there should be burning debris or smoke rising from the rubble around the Koran. There is none in the
    photo.

    The only flames or smoke sources in that photo are from the rapidly disappearing Koran. I would wager two minutes after this photo was taken the book would be fully engulfed, and reduced to ash not long afterwards.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 08:21 PM

Photoshop useful for Hezbollah Propaganda and MSM

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/08/08/photo-alter-beirut.html

Altered Beirut photos raise ethics questions
Last Updated Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:04:55 EDT
CBC Arts

Questions about journalistic integrity emerged this weekend from the continuing conflict between Israel and Hezbollah, after a photojournalist was found to have doctored two images out of Beirut.

The Reuters News Agency has withdrawn more than 900 images from its database taken by Adnan Hajj, one of its freelance photographers based in Beirut.

According to a Reuters spokesperson, Hajj has denied deliberately attempting to manipulate the photos, saying he was trying to remove dust and made mistakes because of poor lighting conditions.

Hajj has also worked as a freelancer for the Associated Press, which is reviewing his photos in its own archive to verify their authenticity.

Responding to allegations of tampering, Reuters discovered that Hajj had manipulated two recent photos: one showing the aftermath of an Israeli air strike on a suburban neighbourhood and another showing an Israeli jet fighter flying over southern Lebanon.

The first photo had been manipulated to show more and darker smoke rising from the buildings, while the second image showed the plane dropping three flares instead of just one, Reuters said.

"There is no graver breach of Reuters standards for our photographers than the deliberate manipulation of an image," Tom Szlukovenyi, Reuters global picture editor, said in a statement.

"Reuters has zero tolerance for any doctoring of pictures and constantly reminds its photographers, both staff and freelance, of this strict and unalterable policy."

Quick reaction over the weekend

After Reuters published the smoking buildings photo on Saturday, the online community began claiming that the photo was altered. The agency conducted a review and found the image had indeed been changed using Photoshop. Reuters terminated its relationship with Hajj on Sunday.

The agency then began an immediate review of Hajj's other recent work and, on Monday, found that the jet photo taken Aug. 2 had also been doctored. Reuters then withdrew from its database the 920 photos Hajj had taken for the agency over the years.

"This doesn't mean that every one of his 920 photographs in our database was altered. We know that not to be the case from the majority of images we have looked at so far but we need to act swiftly and in a precautionary manner," Szlukovenyi said.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 08:14 PM

http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=271641

Saudi Arabia: Saudi Scholar Denounces Hezbollah
August 05, 2006 14 20 GMT

A top Saudi religious scholar and former dissident issued a fatwa Aug. 5, denouncing Hezbollah as the "party of the devil." Sheikh Safar al-Hawali, whose ideas influenced al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and who was imprisoned for opposition to the Saudi government, warned Muslims from praying for Hezbollah in a fatwa posted on his Web site.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 07:45 PM

"Asked to stay in Israel"- What nonsense! That would mean losing their identity and subjugating themselves to a people and country not their own.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 03:38 PM

Q: You really should get your facts re: 1948 straight. You should find out whether the Palestinians were asked to stay in Israel by the Israelis or were urged to leave by their "brethren" ---who then shunned them. Also, let us recall who attacked who at that time. Let us also recall the UN vote that allowed for the creation of the State of Israel.

    As to the other note regarding top dog/underdog status (Not Q's). I guess that is human nature--we do it all the time. Person builds a business from nothing and then when it is hugely successful we chuckle if he has bad times. We love to see a winner defeated---tennis, baseball, you name it. Human nature---but, happilly, not deadly as is this horrible situation.

Bill H

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 08:32 AM

The first truth of war is casualties.

Hizbullah have vowed to wipe out Israel. Does anyone seriously think they could do it?

Israel seem intent in wiping out Southern Lebanon, again.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 08:09 AM

No... And niether is Isreal...

There will be no winners in this war... Just losers...

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 04:15 AM

Certainly not the 1000 or more dead in Lebanon, slaughtered by US made bombs.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Slag
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 01:43 AM

No.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 01:08 AM

John on the Sunset can mis-state history with the best of them.

The Palestinians were being swamped by Zionists from Europe and especially America, and sooner or later would have ended up in the same position they are in now. This massive influx of people and money, especially after WW2, would upset the proposed partition into Jewish and Arab states with Jerusalem internationalized, which the United Nations was attempting to accomplish that in 1947.
Israel declared its independence and the almost immediately following war in 1948 secured over 75 per cent of the land and most of Jerusalem to Israel.
Over half of the Palestinians fled or were expelled. Egypt and Jordan compounded the situation by occupying part of the territory. In the 1967 war, Israel gobbled up these territories, and annexed the rest of Jerusalem. The number of refugees was now some 2 million, a number too large to be absorbed by their Arab neighbors.

The United Nations called on Israel to withdraw, but of course the resolution was ignored. This was followed by further ineffective actions by the UN.

Of the Muslims and few Christians who stayed in the conquered territories, the Israeli government has guaranteed that their representation in the government will always be ineffective.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Aug 06 - 12:00 AM

"but ignore the part which implicates that Palestineans could have had a country before 1967"

And if only you were there to implicate them the country they would have it right?

Then why can't they have a country now?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 11:19 PM

It is interesting ,Q, that you chose to only respond to a single clause of my statement above, but ignore the part which implicates that Palestineans could have had a country before 1967. Are you really that hateful of Israel?

BTW how much of Lebanon do you foresee as becoming part of Israel...only the good parts I hope.? I think it is more likely, but improbable, that Israel will be swallowed by Arab countries. That'll make you really happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 11:05 PM

'Regaining' Jerusalem and the West Bank? Zionist theft through superior force. Much of Lebanon will be occupied and be swallowed into Israel.

Hezbollah cannnot survive the Israeli assault, but its message is spreading throughout the Muslim world. It and similar organizations will become increasingly important in governments in the Middle East.

The message is strong on the internet; carried by Radio SawtBeirut and other media in the Muslim world. The latest political cartoon by Shugaat in Aljazeera illustrates the result of actions by Bush and Olmert succinctly.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: number 6
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 11:00 PM

Unfortunately they are home Sorcha ... the star, the crescent, and the cross ... it is their homes they are fighting for. Again the children are manipulated by the big players ... whether they are babies killed by a rocket or a teen joining the ranks in the forces of the fighting machines.

All are losers in this sick game.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Rapparee
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 10:59 PM

Right on, Sorcha. Completely right!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 10:55 PM

STOP the Madness!
Bring them ALL HOME!
Star, Crescent and Cross.
These are our CHILDREN for gods and goddesses sake!!

WHO THE FUCK CARES WHO IS 'WINNING'??? NOBODY IS!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: number 6
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 10:51 PM

"Where's the win in that?"

Hezbollah will have more Lebanese, Syrian youth joining their cause ... their cause will outlive the Lebanese army that will obviously be imptotent in maintaining order.

Their PR works. very well.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 10:45 PM

Well, PR is PR and reality is reality. Lebanon is torn asunder and their borders completely under the control of a perceived enemy. Israel, though it has been shaken up and lost some citizens, has suffered no such losses.

No, Hezbollah is not winning. Every major element in the region seems to agree that the path out involves getting the government of Lebanon back in control of regions which Hezbollah has taken over.

Where's the win in that?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 10:13 PM

The world is a funny place. Prior to 1973 most of the world favored Israel, but they kept winning and getting stronger. After regaining Jerusalem and the West Bank in '67, along with Palestinean population long neglected by Jordan, things slowly changed. Now there was a perceived weaker party in the area, and the world loves an underdog. So yes, Hizbullah and Hamas ares winning...at least the PR war as stated by OldGuy.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: GUEST,Rapaire
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 09:58 PM

Of course. The Viet Cong set up an excellent example of media manipulation. Of course, both the US and Israel left and have left themselves open....

Subject: BS: Is Hezbollah Winning?
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 07 Aug 06 - 09:51 PM

Is Hezbollah Winning?

They are winning the PR war with the help of the media:

The liberal Western media have taken to emphasizing and elaborating on Israel's bombings of Hezbollah targets in Lebanon—framing them as an attack on the Lebanese people—while minimizing Hezbollah's continued attacks on Israel. The anti-Israel slant comes through in news report after news report—whether it's in the pictures shown, the individuals interviewed, the questions asked; it's all largely projected through an anti-Israel lens.

Hezbollah, of course, would be thrilled at this. But, more than passively letting world media project its cause, Hezbollah has a deliberate strategy of using the Western media to help it in the battle for world opinion. The media, of course, play into its hands perfectly.


http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=2403