BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 12:57 PM

CDC Training Course for healthcare workers going to West Africa; Ebola.
http://www.cdc.gov.vhf/ebola/hcp/training-course/index.html?s_cid=cs_021

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 12:37 PM

Mrrzy, there's a basic difference between vaccines and drugs for treatment of active disease. Vaccines are given to healthy people to prevent infection. The drug described in the NOVA program was an experimental treatment drug, designed to work after infection to prevent virus replication within the body. The drugs currently on trial with healthy people are vaccines. Even if they prove non-toxic, further research will be needed to establish dosage and length of protection. They won't be any use to infected persons although they would be very helpful for care workers and frightened healthy people.

Meanwhile, the WHO has acknowledged that transfusions from ebola survivors may be used for treatment of active ebola. It presupposes laboratory equipment and transfusion supplies that probably don't currently exist in Liberia.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 10:54 PM

Q wrote: "The Center for Disease Control says a positive pressure suit is needed. Ebola virus is Biosafety Level 4.
Positive pressure personnel suit (PPPS) with a segregated air supply is mandatory."

The CDC publishes guidelines for facilities. The suits should be worn when treating Ebola patients, period. Not "in case it's airborne". It's not airborne. The CDC guidelines are for hospitals in the US. I don't think the CDC actually has facilities for threating patients, so wouldn't use it "at the CDC" at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 10:29 PM

Yes, they use that at the CDC in case it's airborne.

In the field you're so far apparently OK with coverings. See here, for example.

Also, things are looking up in Monrovia, they have managed to open 2 maternity wards. For months now if you had a complicated delivery, you just died.

This is an improvement.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 12:05 PM

The Center for Disease Control says a positive pressure suit is needed. Ebola virus is Biosafety Level 4.
Positive pressure personnel suit (PPPS) with a segregated air supply is mandatory.

Mrrzy says it is not necessary.?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 11:48 AM

New case counts from the CDC website, updated yesterday:
Total Cases: 9216
Laboratory-Confirmed Cases: 4218**
Total Deaths: 4555**
**Numbers are lower than actual laboratory confirmed cases and deaths because stratified data are temporarily unavailable for Liberia.

I've watched both the NOVA and the Frontline on this, and the NOVA really seems to say the vaccine works. Does anybody know anything detailed about the vaccines?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 02:08 PM

The Diane Rehm Show (a radio show) had an excellent overview of today's ebola circumstances.

Guests are:

Dr. Malonga Miatudila public health consultant; former public health specialist, The World Bank.
Dr. Rajiv Shah administrator, USAID.
Larry Gostin director, O'Neill Institute for National & Global Health Law at Georgetown University Law School; and director, World Health Organization Collaborating Center on Public Health Law & Human Rights.
Rep. Tim Murphy congressman, (R-Penn., 18th District).
Nell Greenfieldboyce science correspondent, NPR.
Dr. Clifford Lane deputy director for clinical research and special projects, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at NIH.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 06:58 PM

Yes indeed.

And positive pressure isn't needed, it isn't airborne.

What is needed are barriers - gowns gloves masks and lots of them. Blankets even, if you can use a lot of them.

Local and distant military could be doing things in country, and isolation could happen in transit areas outside, technically, all countries, for travelers.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 06:36 PM

I don't want to get overly involved in these Ebola threads, as they seem to be full of insane paranoid fiction, out-weighing the occasionally intelligent comments. The medical professionals always have to deal with fear and nuttiness.

Military disaster response folks--medical, firefighters, and police--routinely (as in "required by regulation") engage in mass casualty/disaster response exercises with their civilian counterparts. (Can you say "FEMA"?)

This isn't about a "military takeover", it's about the military being designed to pack up and go anywhere, and coordinate between different organizations. It's about the military continuously training for biological warfare agent decontamination and treatment and having field hospitals that can be deployed and set up quickly, some of which DO have the capability of positive pressure isolation/quarantine.

It's also likely that, for a team such as that described, those on it did volunteer, and are also highly qualified.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 05:58 PM

The quick-response team for within the USA will be from the US military.. I'm sure this makes complete sense logistically. Certainly, the military doesn't have to concern itself with taking volunteers or raising money for it. I can see the headlines about military takeover of US hospitals coming quickly.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: mg
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 04:39 PM

I think we have to assume positive pressure suits are not always available. Clean rags are probably not available. Hefty bags are probably not available. Likewise soap, bleach, water bottles, tarps. Probably they are on their way to many areas.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 01:54 PM

Two sticks?
See CDL-4 recommendations by CDC.
Ebola information and misinformation thread.
Positive pressure suit, etc. for safety.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: mg
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 01:01 PM

No...something better for those now lying dying in the streets..we cant wait for perfect bospitals to spring up and we have to protect the caretakers by making it as no hands on as possible. If that can be done with bamboo sticks..if they have bamboo there, great.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 12:45 PM

MG are you suggesting-
The ultimate would be "fever islands" where travellers from central Africa with or without fever and anyone with fever are quarantined for 21 days or whatever safe interval is determined.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: mg
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 04:08 PM

We need to get agricultural people thinking about this..they have equipment that could be used to disinfect, clean, deliver food, tea etc from a distance...i am wondering how patients are cleaned. There is vomit, feces, urine, blood. You need fever sheds or whatever with impervious walls and floors, perhaps irrigation channels like cow barns, ways to hose down and disinfect and trap the water,...and then burn it down or wjatever. Every land grant university. Should be told. To put every brain to work on this..espdcially what can be improvised from local resources.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 03:22 PM

If I were a passenger on that cruise I would sue the quarantined person, personally, for the full cost of the trip and for the cost of another one to take instead. I mean, really.

Meanwhile I have sent a request to my local hospital, my city council, and my local newspapers, to ask them try a time (I suggested a week, I'll be happy with a day) with no vanity surgery and send the supplies to MSF (doctors without borders) instead.

How about we all do that? Who knows, it might work. And if you live in a big city even if they do it for one day, it might generate a serious block of supplies for where they are actually needed.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 01:17 PM

The last from NY Post, Oct. 17, 2014.

Disappointed passengers were given $200 credit against their bill, and offered 50% discounts on some future cruises.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 12:55 PM

The Carnival ship with 4000 passengers was denied entry to Mexico.
Passengers were allowed to disembark in Belize, but the vacationing care worker were not allowed off or to reserve on a flight to U. S.
The ship in now returning to Texas.

Officials finally issued a travel ban for workers at the Dallas Hospital who had come in contact with Duncan.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:36 AM

The BBC Report said she was in quarantine on the ship.
Glad to hear that she is OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:06 AM

White people...Your chances of catching ebola are infinitesimal. Worry about something else. Oy and double, no, triple vey!

It's not ABOUT distant people's chances of getting it it's about the actual Guineans, Sierra Leonians and Liberians who ARE getting it! By the thousands! For crying out loud, get your apparently white head out of your apparently white ass!

And the cruise ship person was a lab worker who handled Dallas ebola patient blood without precautions, and should not have gotten on that ship during the quarantine period. Not letting that person off the ship may make sense; not letting the ship dock may be excessive.

But ebola lives in mammals, ships have rats! I hear you cry. Well, ebola takes actual contact with the fluids, which poor cruise ship person had, there is a lot known about its transmission and it doesn't vector between people through mice like Hantavirus or bubonic plague, or the local dogs, or even bats. You can get it from butchering and eating the vector mammals, not by being in contact with them while they are nonetheless happily carrying ebola around and not getting sick.

Yet I don't want a population of mammals outside where ebola already is to harbor ebola. I think it's quite likely to be a good idea to kill all the known, US and European, patients' mammal pets. And I won't say euthanize since it isn't putting the poor pets out of their misery, the happy healthy doggies and kitties and bunnies. I just would not take a *known* risk. And we do *know* it lives happily in many mammals where it lives, if you want to look up how ebola works, be my guest, but this is not a claim, it's a fact. (That the virus lives in mammals whom it doesn't sicken and that's one minority way people get it, I mean, not that all pets should be killed on the offchance, which is also not a claim, but an opinion that is based on that fact.)

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 10:18 AM

Another member of the Texas team is showing symptoms.
He is on a cruise ship off Mexico!

According to the news I can find, this person is a she and is not showing any symptoms.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Stu
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 06:04 AM

White people in Ebola threat panic!!!!!!

30k + killed by guns a year in the US

30k + killed in traffic accidents in the US

Meanwhile . . . africans die in biblical numbers:

7000 from ebola in 40 years

1.7 million from tuberculosis a year

around a million from malaria a year

both preventable, both treatable but the demographic is wrong.

Your chances of catching ebola are infinitesimal. Worry about something else.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 04:41 AM

Senegal has managed to contain the epidemic by disseminating advice on how to protect against infection.
Another member of the Texas team is showing symptoms.
He is on a cruise ship off Mexico!

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:20 PM

I agree, and we ought to have a Surgeon General, even if they do think that gun violence (not gun ownership) is a medical issue.

if we had a surgeon general they would be the ebola czar.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: olddude
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 07:03 PM

I don't play in political crap but I wanted the best damn doctor, and scholar we have in that position not a lawyer. Ebola is not a political game

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 06:49 PM

I thought he was offered the position and declined it. I think the time now would be for an infectious disease person who knows how to mobilize military and civilian and religious assets and get stuff going. From here to there.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 06:03 PM

Piss off, PeeDee- the RepubliCraps are following their publicly stated objective to nullify anything the President or the Democrats in Congress come up with.

Take it up with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: pdq
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 05:45 PM

Nope, we don't have a surgeon general. and Republicans vow to block any nominees.


Oh, what a pile of crap.

Obama nominated a 36 year old Brittish national whose partents were born in India for SG.

The guy said his goal as Surgeon General was to ban guns. Health hazzard, you know.

Ever Senate Democrats don't want him because most then own guns too.

Obama refuses to withdraw his extreme "in your face" nominee.

The Republicans simply want an experienced, responsible SG, not another pathetic politacal hack.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 05:03 PM

Nope, we don't have a surgeon general. and Republicans vow to block any nominees. So it's up to the president to figure a go-around.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 04:51 PM

don't we have a surgeon general? Wasn't it supposed to be Sanjay Gupta? I could not begin to tell you who it is. What is he or she doing?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 04:39 PM

He seems to be a very smart political circus master. With this being the most-read opinion in Liberia and Republicans in this country trying to link ebola to anything they think might get votes in a couple weeks (I see the latest is that the administration is targeting nurses for destruction by ebola), there's a very big circus out there. If someone can manage the circus well enough for the doctors and the army to get on with what needs to be done, I hope he's the best man for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 03:58 PM

yes it should have been a medical person but hopefully with law and military expertise.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 03:21 PM

Time to watch this video.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 02:58 PM

Anybody else think the Ebola Czar should have been a medical person rather than a law person?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 01:43 PM

Weather is going into the long dry season; it will stay hot, mid to high 90'sF/low to mid 30'sC, maybe 10-20 degrees cooler at night, but away from the coast humidity may go down to 80% from 98%. Harmattan will bring dust that will get into everything and make a lot of things not work at some point, apparently they can't predict when.

I would be scared too, Bettynh.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 01:22 PM

Well, the USA has boots on the ground in Liberia. The president has authorized call up of any needed reservists. I don't know how the army works in these situations. If they search by unit, my son's group is not appropriate - they're basically oriented to treat casualties of war with high-tech equipment (x-rays, operating rooms, ventilators, etc.) If they evaluate personnel individually for their skills my son, as an infrastructure technician, would be of more use. I'm scared. He's doing his monthly reserve thing as we speak, so there may be more news soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 12:38 PM

more good news..a woman by the name of murphy works in robotics at some texas university...she is calling for her robotics colleagues to develop helpful robots..one she mentioned was very important...mortuary robots she called them..designed to move the bodies. also i see a great need for waste management and cleanup robots. i do not know how the virus responds to fire..probably "kills" it but some could undoubtedly be released in ash or whatever..but how do you manage medical waste? or even ordinary human waste? they said in the hospital in texas medical waste was stacked to the ceiling. i find that very hard to understand. how must it be in cities in liberia with very poor plumbing, sanitation etc....in many respects i think it might be easier to deal with it out in the rural areas where you have space, hopefully wood for building shelters and using in fires, hopefully a source of water..and you have sunshine and fresh air which should be better for patients and way better for nurses etc. i don't know if they have stormy weather there or not.

i thought i bet they are going to call for Filapina nurses and sure enough they have.

and i am waiting for the world's assembled bishops to say come follow me..i will go there, or as close as I can get, and i will sell some of my pretty clothes to get supplies. at least one..two if we are lucky. no..they are too busy arguing if we can welcome gays in the church.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 11:14 PM

Ah, and she didn't start running the fever till she got to Ohio, so it's only the flight back that is the problem. She shoulda stayed in Ohio given that she'd been allowed to leave Dallas, which she oughtn't to have.

Blicky to Slate coverage of "timeline of many, many missteps" (itself with blicky to more ebola coverage).

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 11:10 PM

i think she was making plans for her wedding.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 11:04 PM

Ooh I forgot the bathroom how right y'all are! But airborne particles aren't the issue, it's fluids on surfaces, and if she sweated on the toilet seat, voila. Or on the sink surface, which the next person could touch while it was still wet.

her flying was imbecilic, both of her and of the CDC person who said it was OK even though she had a fever.

Well, not that stupid of her, she DID ask the CDC, sorry, boy did they drop the ball. But at the first sign of fever she should have gone straight into isolation, and she should have known that.

Do we know what was in Cleveland that was so important?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Cassie
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 10:32 PM

To Mrrzy:

You mentioned many things but here is another one:

What about if she used the bathroom on the airplane? So she flushed the toilet and unless the lid is down, some particle become airborne.
What about the person who may have used the toilet right after her?
Within minutes after her maybe. Possible problem there?

Her flying was totally insane!

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 05:57 PM

assume of course she never used the toilet..and they say you can go from 0 to 60 on this disease so you can feel fine and then bam..that can include diarrhea of course. How can you sanitize a toilet midflight.

Whoever at CDC told her it was OK to travel should be fired or perhaps sent to Liberia to help manage things..with proper supervision of course.

And that doctor who was quarantined and broke her quarantine? Isn't she on TV? TV station should fire her.

And I presume you are being sarcastic or perhaps hopeful when you say it is not airborne. By various twists of semantics they say it is not, but some are saying of course it is, perhaps not as traditionally defined, but certainly little particles in the air..and it takes 1-5 viri to infect someone perhaps..they say in one droplet enough viri to infect half a million people. All of this is subject to revision of course as facts become better understood.

Like one doctor spokesman said, you can't wait to prove everything before you take precautions. The more you take ahead of a big wave, the smaller the big wave will be.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: pdq
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 05:30 PM

"Where the hell is Obama and tell me again why no travel ban to affected areas."



                                        watch the video

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: olddude
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 04:34 PM

Where the hell is Obama and tell me again why no travel ban to affected areas

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: olddude
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 04:14 PM

Second nurse flew to Cleveland an hour and half from me. I use that airport as much as buffalo. Great she even called the cdc before leaving with a low grade they told her it was ok where the hell is our safety net

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:46 PM

And the people on the Cleveland planes, both of them, to and fro, and the people who next boarded those planes, aren't at high risk unless they touched a surface covered with that nurse's fluids. It isn't airborne.

So really only
the passengers on either side of her who likely rubbed elbows with her sweat
Her airstaff who would have served her drinks and taken her glass away (mine always wear gloves anyway in the cleanup phase, I've noticed that)
The one who had her seat after and used her tray, but not, probably, anybody after that in that seat using that tray
Anyone whom she bumped into on her way to or from either of her seats
Anyone who bumped into her getting past her seat
Anyone who bumped/was bumped by her at either of the airports or at any time since she became feverish
The people who cleaned up after her on the plane
How did she get to the airport? Public transport? Cab? ditto
The people who were with her while she was feverish at home
The people who were with her in Cincinnati, or bumped into her between the airport and her destination and back

But, not all the people on both planes, as with bird flu or something airborne.

Once she had a fever of any kind she should have known to isolate herself and the CDC should have isolated her and not okayed her travel! I can't believe the idiocy! On everybody's part! The one thing we know, they all, roundly, ignored! It's not as if we didn't know better, for crying out loud!

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:30 PM

From 14 years experience; "the pace and atmosphere at the NIH yesterday was the most frenetic to date".

Due to technical problems I may not be able to post on the internet from this station. Windows 7 has too many conflicts to keep working much longer.

Remember that with all the human frailties from ignorance to greed there will be needless yet inevitable mistakes that will allow breakouts of US Ebola in a variety of locations that could number from 25 to 100. The worst of these may claim a thousand or more lives but there will be no total pandemic except for the epidemic of fear.
Unlike AIDS, Ebola will burn out in less than 10 years.

Fact: BUDGET Funding needs to be restored to the NIH and CDC to pre sequestration numbers.

Fact: Poverty stricken states will succumb to the most tragic loss of life and family.

Fact: Since late March 2014 we have been aware of the Ebola outbreak. In comparison to previous outbreaks since 1976 we seem to have had a significantly more anemic response in terms of resources. For the fallen heroes who put up the most courageous battle with virtually no weapons, the world owes the debt of life itself.












History: It is unlikely even a single person who sees this post will associate it with my writings going back 13 years ago when I wrote profusely and obsessively about bio warfare and intentional pandemic in prose and verse. Looking back I believe those contributions caused no real harm nor help. Credibility was not my aim as it would be to a journalist. However I believe there are many rational people like myself who see and experience time differently and face Cassandra dilemmas through out their lives. When I painted the events of the twin towers destruction, the great tsunami, sea level rise and bio warfare, all at least 10 years before their occurrence, I always had a different explanations for putting brush to canvas and why. The great irony in my life is that I have always had speech difficulties and deficits. It reminds me of Kafka saying "I have no mouth and I must scream!" If all these examples of foreknowledge are coincidental,deductions or delusional imagination I have never allowed those "delusions" to rule my life. The emotions however still seep through the bandage of everyday life. I don't deny the truth of who I am. Insightful, intellectual but ineffectual.

Despite this; I HEREBY DISAVOW any connection between those early remarks and paintings to the events surrounding Ebola today. None of those remarks apply specifically to now.




From my virtual friend and actual acquaintance Doug,


DON'T PANIC

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:29 PM

What's the approved form in Texas law for saying "Bring out your dead"?

Well, the Governor of Texas is brain dead ........

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 03:19 PM

here is something hopeful..

it says it would take 998 million to control it in liberia..that is amazingly small.

if 100 million working adults in us alone sent $10 there you go.

And of course, as it should be expected, they are revising their customs and practices and understand why they must. There was no doubt in my mind that they would, it was just a matter of how long it would take. You can see on tv that they are using handwashing stations all over, in a place where running water is scarce I believe, they are improvising gloves and booties and aprons out of plastic bags. Even in inpoverished places there are things that can be done..and there are resources that we throw away that they could use..cell phones..why aren't we trying to get millions of cell phones there. In the 1800s people used to have mission barrels for African missions. In 2014 we can't figure out how to get stuff there. It is one of the weakest points of our society and economy.

What do we have for robotics that can clean human waste out of a horrible clinic? We have roombas etc..surely there could be a roving shop vac..perhaps remote controlled..to clean..then a roving thing for chemigation of some sort. Then perfume..as in per fuma..through smoke I think..there are probably things, including of course aromatheraphy, that could be sent through the air to disinfect, to provide some comfort, even some medicine. There are vitamins that could be added to a nutrient drink..vitamins c and d are mentioned.

$998 million..how much will we spend on Christmas this year? Many times that I would think.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Oct 14 - 02:46 PM

Papers must be served individually to each of them.

Let me guess, they have to sign each one to acknowledge receipt and hand it back to the officer serving it?...

What's the approved form in Texas law for saying "Bring out your dead"?