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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 27 Aug 00 - 11:03 PM Helen - beautifully said. That's the way to do it. All three methods in tandem, if at all possible. General comment to all - it's damned hard to provide physical evidence for something that is in no way physical in the first place. Spiritual phenomena probably fall into that category, and I've seen some spiritual phenomena. They simply are not provable, nor can they be simulated or repeated under controlled conditions...as far as I know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: The Beanster Date: 27 Aug 00 - 09:31 PM I've had my share of strange things happen; grew up in a haunted house of which I have countless stories to tell. And I went through a period of a few weeks as a teenager when I kept having dreams that would come true the next day. Then they stopped until the night John Lennon was shot. And this is tooo coincidental to be coincidence--and it's not my maleable memory weaving tall tales (because I wrote it down write after it happened). I live in Manhattan and was taking a nap after coming home from work. I had a little snippet of a dream where there were two men on a dark street (I could only tell that they were males, nothing else). One shot the other and I knew the victim was dead or soon would be. Then a third man came up and quite upset, said to the shooter, "Do you know what you've done?!" It woke me up. So I reached for the remote and turned on the TV. Maybe 5, 10, 15 minutes into the show I was watching, the local news anchor came on and said that Lennon had just been shot outside the Dakota. My eyes bugged out--not so much because he'd been shot but because I may have just seen it happen! Later on, on the news, I heard that a guy had been walking down the street just as it happened and he stopped and said to the shooter, "Do you know what you just did?! You just shot John Lennon!" It may have even been an erroneous report but let me tell you, my hair stood on end. So yeah, I believe there are things that actually ARE occurring that we just don't have the brainpower to understand. But also, I think a lot of this type of stuff teeters on the brink of delusions of reference (in my psychobabble lingo). It's nice to think that we have some control over things (clouds?--they disappear on their own) which actually, we probably do not. It's also nice to think that our dead loved ones come back and say howdy once in a while. I don't think they do, but that's just my opinion. It would be nice, I'll give you that, but since there is no scientific evidence of this, I'll have to reserve my final judgment. But I do think it's a matter of to-each-their-own when people believe this stuff. Like someone else mentioned, it's such a human thing--our brains are designed to try to make order out of chaos. I think that's kind of neat. Always trying to solve the puzzles. It's served us well so far. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: GUEST,Helen (using IE) Date: 27 Aug 00 - 07:10 PM One of the articles I referred to is in the New Scientist magazine, 19 August, 2000, p. 17, and it is called Voice From the Grave: People likely to commit suicide have a distinctive tone of voice. I'm still looking for the other one. I agree with you, Little Hawk, about different ways to follow a line of inquiry. The way I often do it is to use option 1 to investigate/analyse the situation, then actively look for any intiuitive messages at the same time as the relational or circular thinking, then after I have made any intuitive leaps (option 3) or connective/conceptual leaps (option 2) go back to option 1 to check the facts against my deductions. Often I find that the deductions or possible solutions that I have arrived at through options 2 & 3 correlate nicely against the facts of option 1. But I use all three methods in combination. I consciously use all of these methods in business and work situations because I find I can attack a lot of problems or issues very effectively. Often I think I have an advantage over other people at work who only tend to attack problems using one method. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Escamillo Date: 26 Aug 00 - 11:56 PM Spaw, do they intentionally show to you those parts they are scratching ? If they do, the meaning is pretty different to that when they simply scratch. For example Giménez (our dog officer) expresses very well his dislike when I tell him "Giménez, please come for your bath" Un abrazo - Andrés (oops.. thread creep again)
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Aug 00 - 10:13 PM Well, yeah, there are probably 3 legitimate ways of attacking any line of inquiry: 1. linear logical thinking (the common scientific method) 2. relational or circular thinking (simultaneously following many different lines of awareness and observation, all of which interrelate)...really good military strategy generally requires this. You find it in really good science too. Or really good anything. 3. Instantly grasping the truth (called "intuition", "gut feeling", "I just know it") All of the above can work...or not work...depending on who's doing it, when, and where. Number 1 is good for verifying an established conclusion...usually. 'Nuff said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Helen Date: 26 Aug 00 - 07:33 PM Andrés You're right about politicians, although two Oz Prime Ministers - including the current one - have distinctive tones in their voice which makes it impossible for me to listen to them. I feel the lies in their voices so strongly that it is almost painful to listen to them. Sledge, if you read what I said at 25-Aug-00 - 08:56 PM about Wolfgang's comment on pattern recognition you'll see that I agree with you, but that a lot of people I know don't use the pattern recognition in daily life and so it seems a bit miraculous when other people who do use it can "jump to conclusions" which are proven to be close to the mark. The same applies to the scientific method. It's of no use if it is not actually being used. Computers do the drudgery, though, after the process has been developed by humans. The two articles I referred to are in a magazine called The New Scientist - it may be an international magazine or it may only be available in Oz, I'm not sure. I will check the dates and get back to you, but the articles were both only recent, in the last couple of months. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 26 Aug 00 - 04:58 PM Ya know Andres, Cletus, Paw, Buford, and the Reg boys ALL scratch a lot but they ain't scratchin' their ears!!! Do you have any idea what their body language means? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: okthen Date: 26 Aug 00 - 03:27 PM well it didn't work this time will try again next wednesday at 9pm GMT cheers bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Escamillo Date: 26 Aug 00 - 06:38 AM I have a theory of my own, about politicians being interviewed in TV news : when they unnecessarily scratch an ear or head while answering a question, they are blatantly LYING. (Proven when the truth arises some weeks later). However, when they don't scratch anything, there's a high probability they are lying too. Helen, a good method for analysing that body language or voice tone, can save lives ! Un abrazo - Andrés
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: sledge Date: 26 Aug 00 - 05:03 AM Catalogues of voice index and body languauge don't sound very psychic to me, more like plodding scientific methodology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Helen Date: 26 Aug 00 - 03:37 AM Andrés said: "However when somebody proves that his/her methods to explain the unexplained are intrinsically useful (for example a technique for the characterization of people through voice or gesture, or a new method for illness diagnosis) then THAT'S interesting." Just in the last few weeks I have seen two media articles: One about a system for looking at people standing on train stations and predicting if they are likely to jump under a train - based on body language and movements, and the other about detecting a person's serious intention to commit suicide based on the tone and quality of their voice. Both articles were about scientific experiments which have recently been conducted. Helen
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Aug 00 - 02:20 AM Or else it isn't. That's free will. Pretty cool, eh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Escamillo Date: 26 Aug 00 - 01:29 AM Helen, as far as I know, all governmental and University experiments, civil and military, have given no results, or at least no better results than pure guess. Scientist don't say that things don't exist, they only say that those things have not been proved. The problem is that many people insist in their existence far beyond all experiments in the contrary, so scientists finally get bored, archive those subjects, and dedicate to something more promising. When nobody can prove or disprove the existence of something, the discussion becomes sterile. However when somebody proves that his/her methods to explain the unexplained are intrinsically useful (for example a technique for the characterization of people through voice or gesture, or a new method for illness diagnosis) then THAT'S interesting. Un abrazo - Andrés |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Aug 00 - 01:15 AM Holy smoke! I missed a lot of stuff here in the last few days, didn't I? Hesperis made some obscure references to fortune cookies...here's the technique...take almost any fortune cookie you get, open it up, eat it, read the fortune. Whatever the fortune says, add the words "in bed" to the end of it. This is the patented Little Hawk method for improving Chinese fortunes. Last week I got one that said "you are never afraid to learn something new"...in bed. Works like a charm almost every time! Yes, there are all sorts of aspects of reality occurring around us all the time that most people are utterly oblivious to. I, for instance, am almost oblivious to the TV show "Survivor", but have been vaguely aware of its existence at times, because of other people's belief systems. Reality is whatever you think it is. Accordingly, everyone has a slightly different concept of reality. The things that most of us kind of agree on are considered common knowledge. Those things can change. Science applies certain forms of empirical testing and observation and repeatable experiment to determine the nature of reality. So do we all. That's how we learn to walk and to chew food for instance. Scientists get into it in a more technical fashion, using a lot of manufactured tools to do it. Fine. Jesus did it without tools by using a clearly superior method. I can't prove that, of course, you would have to actually be there and see him do it to have proof. I have seen at least 2 miracles in this life. They occurred at most unexpected moments when I was not looking for them, but when they were NEEDED. That is proof to me that there is a form of higher spiritual power that aids people in time of need. Science is thus far incapable of apprehending or recognizing that higher power in any way. Thus far. That could always change. We'll see. The chair is indeed simply a bunch of swirling packets of energy, organized in a certain fashion. You can use it as a chair if you know it's a chair. If you don't know that, you might still sit on it, but you wouldn't know it was a chair. You might think of it merely as a meaningless object. It's not meaningless to the builder, however, who knows perfectly well that it is a chair, and what it is for. Therein lies the meaning behind all things. Creative intelligence has made all that is. It appears chaotic only to one who does not see the purpose in its creation. I see God, the Great Spirit, She, the Maker in the weave and pattern of all reality. Take away all the churches. They don't matter. Burn the Bibles. Remove the conventional forms. Take a breath. You are there. So is God, He, She, the Maker. So it is. Unless it isn't. That's entirely up to you. That's freedom of will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 25 Aug 00 - 09:08 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Helen Date: 25 Aug 00 - 08:56 PM Wolfgang said: "the question that can easily be proved or disproved if you'd care is whether the connection you see is based on reality or originates from that great pattern generating 'machine' between your ears. It' s your choice whether you want to adhere to absurd (i.e.: not based on reality) beliefs" I don't think that any person can definitively state what reality is. Scientists try to discover what reality is and the best they can do is conduct experiments to prove certain theories. Then along comes another experiment and another leap of deduction and the previous theories all have to be checked out again to make sure they still hold true. Reality is bigger than any one of us, and for one person to claim to know what reality is is absurd. All you can say, in truth, is that psychic phenomena have never been *proved to your satisfaction* but not that psychic phenomena do not actually occur. Check out the experiments being done by the Russian and American governments in trying to harness psychic abilities. They are taking it seriously enough to actually experiment with it in controlled circumstances, and appear to be having some good results. (On the other side of this case, though, some psychics like me would not want to be involved in military experiments so, either consciously or sub-consciously, my abilities would be reduced to less than maximum capacity for ethical reasons.) I agree about recognition of patterns - some people are more attuned to this, and in my case it adds extra weight to my psychic intuition, or in other cases certain body language or tone of voice patterns are the main devices by which I make my deductions, but other people around me often miss making the same deductions because they don't look for these patterns consciously or unconsciously. E.g. deducing whether someone is lying or telling the truth can be made a lot easier by looking at body language and listening to tone of voice. Helen |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Troll Date: 25 Aug 00 - 08:00 AM Somebody said that it's 98% of the accordion platers that give the rest a bad name. >BG< Actually, I like accordion. It's a great instrument for Klezmer. What's the difference between an accordion and a banjo? The accordion is pre-pleated for easier cutting. I must go now. My work here is done. troll Skipjack: Luck with the boat. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 25 Aug 00 - 05:57 AM Roger and that B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: okthen Date: 25 Aug 00 - 05:44 AM thanks brendy, i should have anticipated that! P.S. that's P.M. cheers bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 25 Aug 00 - 04:55 AM Brendy, Getting the backing from a UK museum has been a stumbling block, but I've got some progress in that direction, so it's still sub judice at the moment. I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the kind offer, that's several thousands Krona's worth as far as I can calculate. How do you guys afford to live? Carol When you get your arms round an Italian box, the sound will be so soft and sweet you'll chop in your Hohner as sure as death and taxes. Any make with an "i" on the end should do. In my opinion, the old East German Galotta is too closely related to the Hohner, and if you are offered a Parrot, run a mile, it's Chinese. There are also Delicia boxes around, but I don't personally rate them. I'm sounding super knowledgeable, but I know diddly, just the sum of my own limited experiences. My advice in summary is if you make the box make a sound you like, buy, or steal it. Jigijig ............ yes, virtually! Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 25 Aug 00 - 04:27 AM Ok then. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: okthen Date: 25 Aug 00 - 04:18 AM if anyone is interested in a serious psychic experiment, please think of the following six numbers, between the time 7:55 and 8:05 GMT (2:55 - 3:05 EST) on saturday 26th august '00 4 14 19 28 35 44 i've tried on my own with little success, and had better results when i didn't think of them at all! but if i "try not to think of them" i find myself thinking of them. i'll try anything once, four numbers might even pay my (£90-$135 )internet bill for this month. i'll let you know how i got on, if i post from the caribean you'll know anyway. cheers bill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 25 Aug 00 - 01:49 AM Skipjack. This is all very interesting. Go for it, man. I've seen a few of these boats, and if I can come across any pictures or other info on them I'll start a new thread, 'cos I'm sure other people may want to know about this. Trondheim's not all that far from Oslo (if you're flying there *BG*), and it was there that I have seen these boats. I take it that you've already contacted the person who made the first post on that forum, and that things are underway. If there's anything I can help with from here, give me a shout, and I'll do my best. There are a lot of pleasure boats in this country; most of them of the cruiser type, and the upwardly mobile tend to go for the Fibreglass and Chrome. This leaves just a few of the more traditionally minded boat enthusiasts, well in the minority...and there's a lot of spare boats out there, as a result. If you do buy one of these, the chances are you will have to come here to collect it. And if you do that, for God's sake let me know. Dinner and a pint or two on me, no probs; myself and herself would love to have you, and a few tunes to boot. I'll look into this a bit more, and if I come up with anything I'll start a thread...or you could initiate one yourself. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 25 Aug 00 - 01:23 AM SINSULL, if your fortune cookie is empty that means you get to make one up. Don't forget to add the interpretation key on the end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 10:12 PM O.K. Thanks Brendy. Skipjack K8, I have felt that it's hard to get any kind of fluid sound out of my Hohner. I guess that's what you mean by too Oom Pah Pah. It's the only accordion I've ever played. Does this vary from one accordion to another? I'm thinking of starting an accordion thread to talk about this stuff since it's starting to look like there are more accordion people around here than I originally suspected. Since I'm so isolated, accordion-wise, I could probably learn a lot of good stuff. Re: jigijig. Is that a proposition? Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 24 Aug 00 - 07:44 PM Bugari Juniorfisa, Cags, 120 bass, 1978 model. Just been working up the accordion lick in Counting Crows Mr Jones for a gig tomorrow night. Cracking riff. The one row box is a melodeon I mess about with. Prefer Hohners for marching up and down parade grounds. Too Oom Pah Pah to my ear. You might like jigijig. I believe it is Italian for casual sex. Brendy, bit of Norwegian interest for you. I'm trying to raise a bid for one of these old boats. She's up near Trondheim, which seems a fock of a long way up country. Read all about it at http://media4.hypernet.com/~dick/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001345.html Sorry, you're the cat for the blickys. Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Brendy Date: 24 Aug 00 - 05:51 PM Yo Carol. A quick search came up with this - Click - The home page of this troupe is here. It may not be quite what you have been looking for, but they are worth a listen, anyway. And their links page (although some are in Norwegian), is worth checking out. B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 05:31 PM Skipjack, I don't know what jigijig means (do I want to know?), but I assure you, you can definitely make love through a Honer. Another Mudcat member has suggested that I check out an accordion player named Tom Waits. He says Waits' music is enigmatic and darkly ironic. That's what I'm looking for. My first post to a Mudcat thread was in search of European circus music. I was not able to find any. I think that sort of music would be incredible on an accordion. What make is your accordion? When you say one row, are you talking about the chord buttons? Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 24 Aug 00 - 12:34 PM CarolC, I top and tailed the thread for subject matter, and came up with accordions and psychic phenomena. Being a fellow sufferer of accordionitis, I relished your words. I used to be a apologist, and favour the melodeon, but I think the generation that gave the accordion a bad name went before me, and all I seem to come across is loud, uncouth, rude and frankly piss poor (Andy Cutting, Julian Whatsisname and my brother excused) melodeon players with a superiority complex. I have learned a couple of licks on a one row Cajun box, but despite the size difference, it is much easier to make love through an accordion. Mine's Italian, maybe that's it! Difficult to bonk with a Hohner. You like jigijig? Skipjack Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 24 Aug 00 - 10:59 AM wHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN YOUE FORTUNE COOKIE IS EMPTY? mADE ME VERY NERVOUS. mARY |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Alice Date: 24 Aug 00 - 09:59 AM Carol, I was not posting in response to you. I had not even read what you had written here. I read the thread title and posted my message to the thread because I thought it applied to the topic. So, you see, I'm not judging you. I wasn't even writing about you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 04:43 AM P.S. In case you are not familiar with American slang, damn straight means "I agree with you completely" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 04:30 AM Wolfgang, Damn straight. Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Wolfgang Date: 24 Aug 00 - 04:24 AM Carol, the question that can easily be proved or disproved if you'd care is whether the connection you see is based on reality or originates from that great pattern generating 'machine' between your ears. It' s your choice whether you want to adhere to absurd (i.e.: not based on reality) beliefs. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 24 Aug 00 - 01:28 AM Alice, If you heard the story of my life, I think you would come away from the experience saying "That CarolC is one of the most grounded and centered people I've ever met." Don't judge another until you've walked a mile in their moccasins. And certainly don't judge them until you have some factual information about them. It's not logical. Respectfully, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Alice Date: 24 Aug 00 - 12:25 AM Here's what a friend has to say on the subject... "I've told this real story before. A native American [Cheyenne/Arapaho] I knew well in New Mexico told me that when he was 21 in the late 1960s he wanted to experience the vision quest of his ancestors. It was a time when many young Indians were re-exploring their roots. His grandmother initiated him into the way of it. On her directions he fasted several days and went to a sacred mountain area in S Dakota near the reservation with only a blanket, made a cirle of stones and sat inside it, day and night for several days. He had incredible experiences---a few were visitations and audible "words" from both spiritual animals and real ones, a sense of virtual soul travel or OBE and interactions with "ancestors." He recited these upon entering his grandmother's house, standing there proudly with his robe and walking staff in hand. Grandmother listened patiently while she washed the dishes, turned around when he was finished and said: "A man who has many visions has a weak spirit." It was a kind way of saying he was "psychotic," not centered. A true visionary on a quest comes back centered on a clear path of what to do with his life and reenters society humbly to do it well. Chop wood, carry water after enlightenment says the old zen aphorism." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:51 PM Thanks, Carol, Spaw. You know, I think the only things those fortunes really say is that I ate a lot of Chinese food in the past month... Nothin' excitin' bin happenin' in bed, anyway! *g* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 07:00 PM Hesperis....somewhere or another we ran a thread about that....lotsa' fun!! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 23 Aug 00 - 06:52 PM Hesperis, Maybe you will be the modern day pioneer who will finally be able to translate an understanding of the ephemeral into the language of science and logic. Best wishes, Carol |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: hesperis Date: 23 Aug 00 - 06:46 PM Banjo Johnny - I have a friend, (who will remain unnamed to protect the guilty,) who always adds the words "in bed" on the end of any fortune cookie he reads. Can anyone explain these fortunes I've received lately? "Be prepared to accept a wondrous opportunity in the days ahead!" "Your existence has a positive contribution to mankind." "Your flair for the creative takes an important place in your life." (You know, if I took this too seriously...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 23 Aug 00 - 05:06 PM Wolfgang, I honestly don't know how to respond to your post except to say that I don't engage in cloud dissolving activity in order to prove anything. Only for my own enjoyment and entertainment. The reason that I gave instructions was so that if anyone else wanted to do it (or believe they are doing it, even if they are just deluding themselves), and if they can have fun at it as I do, they will have some idea of how to proceed. It is not important to me whether or not the things I do that make my life more enjoyable can be proved or accepted by scientists. I think there is beauty in the choices that you make about what to accept as real. I also think there is beauty in the choices that I make about what I accept as real. So, Wolfgang, here's to you and to me. Cheers! Carol P.S. Skipjack K8, please explain the difference between a piano accordion and a psychic phenomenon. Both of them get you into a lot of trouble. ; ) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: SINSULL Date: 23 Aug 00 - 01:25 PM Escamillo, I had a similar experience with a kitchen cabinet which would not remain shut. My apartment has high ceilings. The cabinet in question was at the very top, latched every night and opened every morning. It was strange since I had to get on a ladder to latch it. One night about 3AM I heard a noise in the kitchen and found that my cat was jumping from the counter top to the cabinet handle - an 8' jump - and hitting the handle until the door opened. Then he went in and slept. Mystery solved. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: MMario Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:35 AM What I want to know, is how come I spent over 1/2 hour trying to start the lawn mower yesterday and it never even sputtered (Thank god I had a witness) and my nephew comes out and starts it running perfectly the first time, without changing a bloody setting on the freekin' thing! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Alice Date: 23 Aug 00 - 11:14 AM In homage to the great (Irish born) satirist, Jonathan Swift, who showed us the folly of fuzzy thinking...
In part III, chapter 5 of the tale, a professor shows Gulliver a machine that generates random sequences of words. This device was based on a 20 foot square frame supporting wires threaded through wooden cubes, where each face of every cube had a piece of paper bearing a word pasted onto it. "The most ignorant person at a reasonable charge, and with little bodily labor, may write books in philosophy, poetry, law, mathematics, and theology, without the least assistance from genius or study." ~ Gulliver's Travels |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:39 AM It's a sign! Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: sophocleese Date: 23 Aug 00 - 10:36 AM Oh Wow! Skipjack! Me too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Skipjack K8 Date: 23 Aug 00 - 09:27 AM Personally speaking, I have had more encounters with piano accordions than psychic phenomena. Skipjack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: flattop Date: 23 Aug 00 - 08:21 AM I see that this strange belief in chairs varies as it travels the globe, Escamillo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: Wolfgang Date: 23 Aug 00 - 06:04 AM Carol, without any irony I am grateful for your example how you have proved to yourself cloudbusting, for I always look for good examples from real life to make the otherwise sometimes dull lecture on how do to (and how not do to) (quasi)experiments more interesting. My students (some of them but I hope only a few will hate me for that) will be assigned the task to spot the mistake and to describe how to do it correctly. And you're post will be cited in my book on experimental methods (BTW, that should help to convince my employer that mudcatting during office time may be considered working). Claims like that can easily be tested and have been tested. When you (from here on that's all of you and not just Carol) have read this and similar threads so far you won't be surprised to read from me that the claimants could not back up their claims in well controlled quasi-experiments. Neither will you be surprised to hear how the claimants reacted: With all those negative sceptic thoughts around it is no wonder I had no success. Their thoughts were working against my thoughts Yes, I know, it always works, except when a sceptics looks. Keep the good examples coming, I can't have too many of them. I always hated dull lectures when I was on the receiving end so I decided to do something against that being on the giving end. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explaining the Unexplained From: CarolC Date: 23 Aug 00 - 03:54 AM Would somebody please explain to me the strange and ghostly voice in my head that keeps saying ....Carol..get..back..on..the..Mudcat.... |