Psudo Celtic cr*p?

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: pict
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 04:43 PM

Antares autotune is probably the software they use you can hear it everywhere these days.I always get a laugh when I hear these boy/girl wonders doing it live without the studio technology they are totally woegeous yet they really believe their own marketing hype they probably think singing in demi-semi tone scales is the norm and to be fair they are true innovators who have brought to music and made commonplace such wonderful vocal harmonies as A flat tormented or D sharp extinguished.

As for the pseudo Celtic crap I think a lot of people hearing commercialised music that borrows aspects of Celtic traditional music may be put off thinking that these examples are indicative of Celtic music generally.Personally I'm sick of this "my grannies budgies cousin is Scottish/Irish/Welsh/Breton and they taught me this song"that I see so often these days.Any old crap can get away with being called Celtic these days if it has a bit of uillean pipes and a few bars of generally badly played feadag particularly of your surname starts with O' or Mac.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 02:40 PM

IT'S TRUE! Not only can the engineer make "the flat sing on key", but you can change a note from a C up to a D! I know 'cause on my album "This One's The Dreamer" one of the back-up singers hit a "questionable" but not "wrong" harmony note. Engineer and Mudcatter Paul Mills, said "don't worry, we'll change it during the mix". He did!

Rick

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Lucius
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 02:14 PM

Wow, 1/5 of a note!! If only Bob Dylan had one of those, he may have gone somewhere ;)

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Greyeyes
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 02:10 PM

I was disturbed to hear somewhere recently that a lot of young "pop stars" use a piece of software in recording studios that corrects their singing to within 1/5 of a note if they're out of tune. So they are even less talented than they appear, and even artificially corrected they sound crap.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: WyoWoman
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 01:38 PM

Mooh, what were those two CDs?

ww

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Fred/Forsh
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 01:38 PM

Thankyou people for your responses to date; I would agree with most of what all of you have to say, It is important to get kids to pick up an instrument, to learn a song that reflects their country's folk heritage. If the "Psudo stuff servers as an introductio, to them and to their pears, then it is to be applauded, or at least, encouraged......mind you, Riverdance is one of my favourit laxatives also!! And I am also pondering the 98% crap theory, and wondering which is the song that I perform that isn't!!

Subject: The celts are extinct!
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 12:47 PM

Another mans floor... LOL!!

or put it like I do... 98% of EVERYTHING is crap!

Play what ya want, how ya want... if I don't like it, i won't listen... easy as that eh...

:-)

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Mooh
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 11:43 AM

I've volunteered and performed at Celtic festivals and there's been times when I've wondered if some musicians didn't forum-shop a bit much, as if they couldn't make it in one music genre so they tried another and were simply passing through a mock Celtoid phase when I encountered them.

Most folks change their approach to the music once they educate themselves about it. Either they back off entirely or they adopt a more genuine, um...less naive or pretentious, interpretation. Some of the rock-celt stuff is more honest to my ears than the new-age-celt stuff. And it's more fun.

Of course, I'm still overwhelmed by a Lunasa performance last August, and 2 cd's which astound me. Sounds pure celt and moves like no rock or new-age pretender ever has.

Peace. Mooh.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Lucius
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 10:01 AM

One man's ceiling is another man's floor. Personally, the Riverdance cr*p sends me up a wall. Most of my Cape Breton step dancing friends feel the similarly about Riverdance. But I figure that if one youngster gets enthused by Riverdance and begins to look for something more substaintial, then it may have proved its worth. In my politer moments I prefer to think of it as an "introduction" rather than cr*p.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 09:39 AM

First, put yourself in their place.

It is quite conceivable (however you spell that) that a person could reach age 30 in today's society and never have heard a melody sung in tune or an orchestral piece played on a real instrument.

(Actually, you could go quite a long time without ever hearing an actual melody, much less one played in tune.)

No wonder these pop stars cannot resist the seductive power of the old music, even though they cannot completely shuck the cliches of their-lives-up-to-now.

As an example, a couple weeks ago I was out pulling weeds while carpenters worked on a house across the street. They had the radio turned to a rock station (I know that's what it was, because the announcer announced it every few minutes.) They had the same band doing cut after cut, and the vocalist was a male, probably white and trying to sound black. He was just ravaging his voice, singing a harsh, gutteral style which is sure to ruin your voice before long. However, anything for a buck!

The pieces were all alike - no variety. Now there's cr*p for you!

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: MARINER
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 04:59 AM

Unfortunately a lot of this new Celtic Cr*p is being foisted on us by new age traveller types(crusties) who have little knowledge or love for the music. It seems all they need is any acoustic instrument and any type of drum, African preferably. Bang the bejasus out of it, and hey presto! you're a Celtic revivalist. I'm one of those who believe that the current spate of drum driven street groups are the last refuge of the talentless. Sad to say, here in Ireland many of these "groups" are supported by an Irish Government Agency employment scheme. And don't worry Fred/Forsh despite the common perception very, very few pick up a gun, it's a pity the same can't be said of Boy Bands .The Boy Band craze has taken on in a big way.Ronan Keating has even started to record grown up songs. I recently heard him sing "The town I loved so well". He really shouldn't have bothered, it only prooved just how limited his "talent" is. He should stick to insipid copies of pop from yesteryear. When Ihear these lads sing their versions of old hits I often wonder why?, whats the point.Often its impossible to better the original, so why record it.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: BigDaddy
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 02:31 AM

I agree there's room for much interpretation with Celtic derived music. There's a lot that doesn't appeal to me, so if I don't like it, I don't listen to it. Better the flood of varying quality that we have now than the situation even 20 years ago when it was difficult to find traditional Irish/Scots/Welsh etc.

Subject: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Fred/Forsh
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 02:06 AM

I read somewhere on these pages, someone describe a certain style of music as "Psudo Celtic Crap", Why? I for one would encourage any young person to pick up an instrument and play, particularaly those who may hail from Ireland...sooner they pick up a whistle and fiddle to "modernise" Celtic lyric and style, than thay pick up a Gun, or worse, join a manufactured Boy Band! any music with it's roots in traditional music is to be applauded, What say you, 'cats?