Psudo Celtic cr*p?

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 07:11 PM

"They can be heard on their web site [e-mail]." But that doesn't look like a website to me.

"Log on,listen to the music, maybe you won't like but I guarantee you , you won't be bored." I'm prepared to enjoy and enjoy a pretty wide range of stuff, and this definitely sounds worth a listen - (trombone?) - but I've found that if I don't like something, I get bored by it - however fast or loud or technically clever it might be. In fact if I'm not liking it, the louder and faster and technically clever it gets, the more bored I get.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: MARINER
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 06:54 PM

For Celtic Music that's definitely not crap take a listen to BLACK 47, the New York based Irish Rock, Trad, Rap Band. It's lead by N.Y. based Irishman Larry Kirwan. Along with Kirwan there are 4 American and one English musician in the band (Geoff Blythe, ex Dexy's Midnight Runners). The combination of Kirwans voice and compositions, Uillean Pipes, Trombone, (The excellent Detroit native Fred Parcells)Sax,(Blythe) Drums and Bass are something to behold and knock your socks off. They can be heard on their web site [e-mail] on,listen to the music, maybe you won't like but I guarentee you , you won't be bored. Mariner

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Grab
Date: 21 Nov 00 - 06:58 AM

MattR, I expected some comeback from you on that comment! :-) I'm sure the timeline's not perfect - I know the Beatles started going in the 60s, but they were copying an existing trend started in the 50s. But they were a major force in introducing rock-and-roll/R'n'B to Britain.

What I was trying to say is, what ppl see is the end-result, not the roots that formed them. And hopefully some folk will like the end-result, however much it may be unrepresentative of the roots, and they'll start digging.

This isn't exactly new, anyway. The Pogues and the Levellers were both playing 'pseudo-Celtic' music, and I'm sure they introduced a lot of ppl to folk. Today's versions (Keating/Corrs) are more packaged-pop than the punk-rock that was fashionable when the Pogues were going, but that's the nature of pop music: by all means be a bit different and get noticed for that, but you can't be too different or no-one will buy your records.

Grab.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: GUEST,Petr
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 10:34 PM

With respect to the above comment that nothing beats the original version, Ive always liked Joe Cocker's cover of 'With a little help from my friends' than the Beatles original. I agree theres a lot of Pseudo Celtic Crap out there, one of my friends used to busk in a farmers market in Toronto with the likes of Liz Carroll and didnt make much money and then watched Loreena McKennitt (with her flowing silky dresses and yet playing Jigs too fast, O'Carolan too slow etc) rake in big bucks. Then again, I got into the music listening to the Pogues now I regularly play fiddle for Ceilis and in sessions and prefer the traditional to the former as I had to make a choice a couple weeks ago when Paddy Keenan (former piper from the Bothy band) played in town the same night as Shane MacGowan. I saw Paddy Keenan and even though it was a tiny venue compared to Shane's gig I know I made the right choice. (Dont get me wrong I still like the Pogues, they were my introduction to that music. But I would say there is a third category aside from the trad. folk and the pseudo celtic and that is the rogue folk (a UK term I think) referring to folk bands that are rooted in the tradition but are blending new styles or experimenting with different instruments. EG Bands like Kila, MacCumba(?) (Scottish pipes, african drumming) or in Vancouver one of my good friends' band Celtic Works (a celtic jazz band) Its something else to hear Foxhunters reel played on a soulful saxophone. Anyway, you always have your keepers of the tradition and those who are willing to break with it. A fine example was when I was at the last fiddle tunes festival in Port Townsend. Two featured guests were the sons of one of the Stripling Bros.duo who were well known for their swingy and bluesy fiddle tunes and songs from the 30's. Now, most of the people who come to fiddle fests like this are into playing the music as close to the tradition as possible - and yet when the Stripling brothers were around they were trying to make the most innovative and new sound they could. There you go. PEtr

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Iarf
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 09:25 PM

Damn keyboard button stick-stick-sticking aga-aga-aga-in.Sorry ..two postings same meaning.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Iarf
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 09:20 PM

Me?...I like ABBA. If they hadn't been hijacked by the pop culturists and the narrow attitudes of the producers with pecuniary interests , they would have made a superb Scandinavian folk band.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Iarf
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 09:20 PM

Me?...I like ABBA. If they hadn't been hijacked by the pop culturists and the narrow attitudes of the producers with pecuniary interests , they would have made a superb Scandinavian folk band.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 08:40 PM

There are probably more people making good music now than there have ever been. And more people making absolutely dreadful crap as well - and there's a music industry that specialises in putting out the latter, and twisting good musicians into producing it, because they've found a way of selling it. And the idea is, imagine, to put out music which is not very filling, so the customers are going to keep on buying new stuff instead of falling in love with the stuff they've already got, or worse still, playing it for themselves.

Every now and then there's an upheaval, and the people running the industry panic, and you get good records coming out for a while till they've got it under control again. It happened in the 30s, in the 50s, in the 60s etc - every few years. And there's always some diamonds in the dust even in the worst times.

But I'm pretty certain that a whole lot of the stuff that Fred/Forsh thinks is rubbish I'd either enjoy or I'd be happy to wait and see. "new age traveller types(crusties)" - that sounds OK by me.

I remember the first time I heard the Pogues I thought "Ye gods, I don't like this one bit!" Now I think Shane was/is one of the best song-writers I've ever come across.

And I hate that blanket term Celtic. Half the Irish music I like best isn't covered by it. Half the music that is covered by it has nothing particularly to do with any tradition in the "Celtic" nations. And that's not to put it down, there are other fine traditions. If the Scandinavians are playing what's called "Celtic", fine - but they should be (and I hope are) drawing on their own traditions in the first place.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: pict
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 07:15 PM

I think the Scandinavians are crap plenty of technique but no feeling or understanding.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: poet
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 06:36 PM

I'll go along with that Peg, except for the singing the language, Im far too thick for that.

Graham (Guernsey)

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Peg
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 12:41 PM

I think John P's words are the ones on this thread I am most inclined to agree with; there is a purity and enegy to the new Scandinavian bands playing "tradiitonal" music with uniquely modern arrangements that is lacking in many "Celtic" groups trying to do something similar...then again the Scandinavian stuff is newer and look at how long people have been making mincemeat of traditional Celtic music.

Some might say it started with Clannad's first use of a synthesizer and went down from there (though I happen to enjoy some of their new agey stuff, particularly the soundtrack to Robin of Sherwood).

Some may blame Riverdance, or Loreena McKennitt, or Sinead O'Connor or The Pogues or the Corrs...

The point is, some of the music is ancient, but some of it has come down to us in forms and versions imposed upon it by well-meaning Victorians or others who were castigated in their day for making the "old" songs sound like crap...

I only found my singing voice when I found Celtic music. Classical, folk, rock, Broadway, jazz...I was somewhat competent at all and yet none of it ever fit.

But the magic only came through me (and still does, I am told) after I started singing the songs of this tradition. Once I added some songs in the Celtic languages, it intensified that magic even more.

But you know what? Now that Celtic music has put the mojo in me, I now have an appreciation for other styles and genres and artists that borrow from it and make it their own; like those I mentioned above, as well as Donovan, Jethro Tull, Dead Can Dance (whose lead singer Brendon Perry sounds like a Frank Sinatra WITH soul!), Renaissance, Steeleye Span, and others who, I feel, offer homage where it is due and do it well.

anyway there is more I could say, but, my main point is, if something is really coming from the heart and strives to go beyond mediocre and makes it there: who are we to call it crap?

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: GUEST,Matt
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 11:29 AM

There is nothing wrong with Noel's voice. It's very smooth and mellow. Grab, your musical timeline is a bit flawed but I don't have the time now to correct it.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 11:26 AM

Good point, Grab. Kinda like the Kingston Trio got people excited enough to explore the roots of folk music, and the Stones turned people on to Muddy Waters.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Grab
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 11:22 AM

The music business goes through "phases", where someone gets successful and fashionable, and everyone copies them. In the 50s, rock'n'roll and blues were fashionable (courtesy of Chuck Berry, Elvis, etc), and the Beatles tagged onto that. Later, the Beatles were instrumental (sorry!:) in popularising the hippy music scene. The 70s was punk, following groups like the Sex Pistols. In the 80s the synth took off, courtesy of Kraftwerk, Joy Division et al. In the 90s, every bugger and his dog was trying to sound like the Gallagher brothers (and since they're both dogs at singing, this ain't hard ;-) We've just had a bit of a revival of Latin pop music, with Ricky Martin, Geri Halliwell and co. And now Ronan Keating and the Corrs are getting results, expect to see more "Oirish" pop songs.

Someone needs to take a chance on it first. For all their faults, the Corrs and Ronan Keating took it on bcos they wanted to. They got fairly successful with it. Now other groups have seen it happen, they'll try and imitate the formula, and record companies will see a trend forming and try to follow it.

Can't be all bad though. The Latin craze saw a huge rise in ppl having a go at Latin dancing. If a similar Irish pop period happens, maybe more ppl will get into traditional music. And that's no bad thing to hope for. They'll see it's not the mass-produced stuff that they've heard on the radio, and hopefully they'll appreciate the depth of the real thing over the frosting of the commercial version.

Grab.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Whistle Stop
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 09:06 AM

This is the first time I've seen anyone treat the word "crap" as a profanity that needs to be disguised with an asterisk. Interesting.

Magpie said most of what I want to say. If you don't like what's on the radio, don't listen to it. Most of it is crap, but most of it always was crap. Look at a "top 40" list from any era you care to focus on, and you'll find more bad stuff than good stuff (romanticized recollections of the 60's notwithstanding). I don't care for pop radio, and I don't consider it relevant to what I do, so it doesn't really bother me (unless they insist on playing it in restaurants and other public places).

I think people should blend whatever musical elements thay want, in whatever way they want, and only try to conform to the tradition if that's what suits them. In my opinion most of the great musical developments in history have been the result of blending of seemingly disparate styles. Sure, that has produced a lot of crap too, but I will suffer the bad stuff so as to allow the good stuff to emerge.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 09:05 AM

OK, the song was supposed to be funny because of its over-exaggerations, but some people didn't want to see the humor, preferring to find something negative to be upset about, or were incapable of seeing the humor.

There's a difference between adding things to music just to make it more commercial and stretching creative wings. Where I think it fits is based on my own perception and applies only to me.

I don't particularly care for the term "Celtic" because it strips away the connection between living communities of people and their music, and lumps it all together. There's no more highland bagpipe music or tales about how, when and where the music and instrument has been played. It's not Scottish, it's "Celtic." It sounds nice with electric guitars and a techno beat. "Irish" refers to people, culture, and nation. "Celtic" refers to a set of related languages, none of which a person has to know to sing or play the music.

In any case, I don't quibble about the word "Celtic" when people use it in conversation. I understand what they mean...probably.

Subject: The Celts Are Extinct...
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 20 Nov 00 - 12:24 AM

"The Irish rebel songs are gone"???

Well, thanks gods for THAT!

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 10:13 PM

Gotcha, Mooh. Not enough inflection on the screen here to specify a rhetorical comment. Hope I didn't come across as snippy.

;-)g'chik

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Suffet
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 09:30 PM

This current thread has taken the phrase "synthesized pseudo-Celtic crap" out of conext from the thread THEY'RE NOT WRITING FOLKSONGS. The phrase appears there in a song critical of the music business. The stanza in which the phrase appears is copied below. Sing it to the tune of "Danville Girl" or "East Texas Red" in 3/4 time.

The Irish rebel songs are gone,
And the Scots and Welsh as well.
The music company executives say,
That stuff just doesn't sell.
But synthesized pseudo-Celtic crap,
Lines the shelves of my music store.
And they're not writing folk songs,
Like they used to anymore.

Far from "dissing" Celtic music, the original song lyrics honor it.

--- Steve

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Mooh
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 07:32 PM

Snuffy and Guinnesschik. What? All I said was "can it be well done if it's not well felt?" Of course it can be polished etc etc, but seriously the comment was to say that if music is not done with genuine sincere feeling, then it is not well done. There are charts and stations full of music which is well performed and slicker than cat shit on linoleum, but is not well done because it's as pretentious or insincere or contrived or false-hearted as it can be. My question was intended more as a retorical comment with an understood answer of "no". Sorry if I hadn't made that clear. Balls, soul, spirit or whatever is that ineffable element which can't be faked, while most other characteristics of music may be.

Hmmm. Mooh.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Snuffy
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 06:32 PM

I know Sinatra's not Celtic, but that's the kind of purely mechanical singing, where the words mean nothing to the singer , that turns me off.

But most of the boy bands and celt wannabes don't even have a fraction of Sinatra's talent, even though they match him in lack of soul.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Snuffy
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 06:28 PM

Mooh, I've got to go with with Guinesschik's comment "I honestly believe that one can be a slick, polished, technically flawless musician and be totally lacking in soul. I've seen and heard it happen too many times. Technical proficiency does not great music make."

In a word - Sinatra. Technically faultless and brilliant, but still totally soulless, and therefore for me just not worthy of attention.

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 05:17 PM

Mooh, I honestly believe that one can be a slick, polished, technically flawless musician and be totally lacking in soul. I've seen and heard it happen too many times. Technical proficiency does not great music make.

Maybe I just like my stuff with a rougher edge, but The Chieftains have it all. They are the genuine article, are all masters at their instruments, and play with such joy and abandon.

Cheers!

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Greyeyes
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 04:08 PM

It is of course true that just as every generation throws a hero up the pop charts, so every generation has thrown up a load of crap to go with it. The difference at the moment is the sheer quantity of manufactured talentless dross. It is creating a generation of consumers who just don't understand how to listen to and appreciate music, and even more worryingly, it is denying a generation of musicians, singers and songwriters who have genuine talent and ability the natural forum that should provide them with the spring board they need, because they don't fit the stereotypical image that the money men have deemed necessary.

I am talking exclusively from a UK perspective here, I don't know what the situation is like in the US, but last year there was a banner headline in the "Observer" arts section one week (this is a heavyweight broadsheet sunday newspaper) "is this the worst year in the history of pop music?". It is not the case that there is no good pop music around. My CD collection includes Pulp, Blur, Oasis, Radiohead, and The Manic Street Preachers. "This is my Truth Tell me Yours" (Manics) is probably my most played CD of the past 18 months, and I think "OK Computer" is one of the most outstanding albums of the last 10 years.

This isn't about negativity on the Mudcat, it is about a really worrying trend in popular music that is resulting in artists becoming successful simply as a result of the amount of time and money spent on grooming and manufacturing them, and doctoring the sounds they make, and indoctrinating their young audience into believing that this is what they want to listen to.

Matt_R I've heard you on Paltalk, and I've read some of your posts about the music you like, and I've heard enough people talk about your talent and taste to think that either things are spectacularly different in the US, or you are over reacting because you think we're all old and reactionary.

In the UK the way things are going is worrying. Jarvis Cocker nearly gave up on PULP because it was taking so long to break through. If he was struggling for recognition now I don't think he'd stand a chance. He's skinny and ugly and too old. His brilliance as a songwriter and performer would be ignored.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Mooh
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 02:56 PM

Guinnesschik. Can it be well done if it's not well felt?

Mooh.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Magpie
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 11:49 AM

How about live and let live?

There have always been good musicians, bad musicians and in-between musicians, and there always will be. The bad ones will be forgotten, as someone has already mentioned, and the good ones will endure. Maybe even some of the "bad" ones will endure too, but then that will be because someone actually likes them. Some musicians have the ability to touch their listeners, even if their talent (whatever that is) is limited. If nobody had ever dared venture into something they didn't know, then everything would be at a standstill. And that would be boring! Besides, if nobody played worse than you, you wouldn't be better than them. So let them just do what they want to do, and turn the radio off if it offends you.

Magpie

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: guinnesschik
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 11:26 AM

As a less than traditional "Celtic" musician, I have to uphold and defend whichever psuedo celtic cr*p that comes from the soul. Both my maternal and paternal families are Scot/Irish, but we're American (Texan) as well, so the music we make is well seasoned with that. However, I am so sick of hearing Garth Brooks sing "Ireland" (barf!) and the Dixie Chicks with their soulless little Celtic music blurp "Ready To Run" (gak!). IMHO, it's not about how well it's done, but how much it's felt.

So there.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Troll
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 11:02 AM

IvanB I agree that it wasn't just about politics. I should have been less specific. Our whole world was changing at that time and things were very confused and confusing.
Dylan was only one of many who were speaking out and asking questions, challenging authority, and going in new directions.
The good stuff endures, the crap dies. There will always be those who look to see which way the wind is blowing the trash and jump out front shouting,"Follow me!"

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Mooh
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 10:00 AM

John P. I was venting while you were posting. I agree, I don't think that anyone expects to get rich off the performance of celtic music, but they might just want to survive. That's okay with me, but I wish they'd spend more time researching the music before they jump on the trend. And if they just want to cash in, I wish they'd do it in pop music where that attitude is expected (but no less repugnant to me).

I rather enjoy the crossover of music styles, when it's done with musicianship and originality, and sincerity. Rock stylists (I was raised on Zeppelin and Stones as much as Bach and Ralph Vaughan Williams) don't get it right very often when it comes to the Celtic thing. Maybe it's less an influence than an affectation.

Vent almost over. Mooh.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Mooh
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 09:42 AM

It seems to me that to draw any sort of correlation between the criticism of current music styles and that of, for example the Baroque era, misses one crucial point. We now enjoy a wealth of musical variables the breadth of which didn't always exist. These variables have acceptance in huge segments of society, some apart from one another, and some enjoyed together by the same peoples. We are no longer offended so much as surprised by outrageous new forms or interpretations of music.

Talented composers have always pushed the envelop of acceptance (so to speak), but I wouldn't put the current crop of celtic-crapoid interpreters in the same catagory as some of the composers noted in above postings. There are some wonderful composers today practicing in the celtic style (Simon Mayor comes to mind), but so many are waana-bes that it's hard to wade through the crap to get to the substance.

Yes, one man's trash is another's treasure, as Matt will point out, but I have to wonder why, trash or treasure, why aren't the recyclables removed first? As for whether music is any good, for heaven's sake we should know by now that it takes a generation or so for the cream to rise to the top in this business, and for the shit to decompose.

I'm more inclined to agree with Troll on this issue and I know it would help if Matt would post his opinion along with the quotes because the quotes alone don't say, or aren't read, to mean what he really means, IMHO. And, if I may add, getting into pissing contests with those who are experienced around here (but don't always choose to impress each other with our knowledge of music lyrics), only serves to enforce naivete.

It's Sunday morning and I'm venting. Mooh.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: John P
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 09:28 AM

Does anyone really believe that there are musicans playing "Celtic" music because they think they are going to get rich off it? Yes, Irish stuff is relatively popular right now, but not if you compare it to mainstream pop music. It is easy for us to think that it is everywhere because it is a lot more places than it used to be, but the fact is that is is still mostly invisible to the mainstream.

I think people play Irish music because they like it. If they are a New Age musician, they play it in a New Age style. If they are rock musician, they play it in a rock style. The same for Afro/Cuban/techno dance groove musicians. If you don't like New Age/rock/world music, you probably won't like Irish music played by New Age/rock/world musicians. No one says you have to. People will take the traditional music and go off in different directions with it. There's nothing stopping them from doing so, and they are not hurting anything -- certainly they are not hurting the "The Tradition"; it seems to be doing just fine without them.

I grew up playing rock music, so my own tastes tell me that Irish music works better in a rock setting than in a new age, jazz, or world-beat setting. Since I've been playing pretty much acoustic trad music for several years, I now understand that very few Celtic rock bands get it right -- I would like to see a deeper understanding of both genres in a fusion. Some of the Scandinavian bands are finding the blend pretty well.

John

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: MARINER
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 06:50 AM

Troll and IvanB, Is that the same "Rebel" Bob Dylan who sings for corporate clients you're referring to??. O.K. maybe he didn't jump on a bandwagon in the begining, he just created one for himself.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: IvanB
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 01:28 AM

Sorry, Troll, but I was part of the Dylan era too, and I don't think 'The Times They Are A'Changin' was all about politics. Yes, it had a verse addressing senators and congressmen, but the song was addressing more than politics - it was about all the ideas, philosophies and mores that were held so dear by our society and which the youth of the time (I among them) were throwing out wholesale. I think Matt may have somewhat trivialized the message of the song by his use of it for this particular argument, but I'd never look upon it as just a political song.

And Matt has a point. I saw a statement somewhere above about it often being impossible to better the original. I think that's hogwash. Yes, something can be done differently from the original and it may not appeal to those who like the original, but that doesn't make it any better or worse. If it's bad, it'll eventually sink to its level, if not, it'll gain its own accepting audience and will last.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Troll
Date: 19 Nov 00 - 12:33 AM

I am, kid. I was there. I was part of what Dylan was writing about.
You had an ok argument going until you childishly sucumbed to the desire to put me down,so I'll say this just once: you are a talented and intelligent young man, but you don't want to get into a pissing contest with me. You haven't had the practice at being nasty that I have had.You put yourself out in front and give people 'way too much ammunition.
You keep your words soft and sweet and I'll do the same.

troll

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 11:53 PM

and everybody said Fabian sucked even though he did

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Matt_R
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 11:39 PM

Vivaldi and Bach where virtually unknown in their time. Rubenstein said Tchaikovsky's Piano Concert was "unplayable tripe". Rossini was booed in his own country. Critics detested Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique. Fights broke out in concert halls over the hatred for Stravinsky's Le Sacre du Printemps. Troll, your statement is flawed. One man's trash is another man's treasure. And you must be a special seer of wisdom indeed, if you know what Bob Dylan's songs are "about".

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Troll
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 10:54 PM

Sorry Matt_R. but Dylan was talking politics, not music. Bad music is bad music is bad music no matter how old or new it is.
When true talent changes something, you KNOW it. It is also easy to spot those who are just along for the ride because it's the current "in" thing.

troll

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Matt_R
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 10:19 PM

Come mothers and fathers throughout the land
And don't criticize what you don't understand
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand
For the times they are a-changin'

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Mooh
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 08:23 PM

Oops. I think those Lunasa cd's are on the label, Green Linnet, though one might be self released. Mooh.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Mooh
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 08:18 PM

Alison and Wyo, the Lunasa cd's I have are "Lunasa" and "Otherworld". These are as wonderful to me this year as Simon Mayor was a couple of years ago. Fantastic stuff!

Mooh.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: pict
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 08:16 PM

It's not a generational thing the majority of pop music now is total cac I like music from many eras but the last 10-15 years has seen probably the worst pop music ever made imo.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Clinton Hammond2
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 07:36 PM

Hey Rick...

Was that before or after Paul got all that practce 'tweaking' From Coffee House To Concert Hall??

LOL!!!!!

:-)

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Matt_R
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 07:33 PM

Something wrong with that? Personally, I love the thumping techno car commercials.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 07:26 PM

I saw N'Sync live on Saturday Night Live.They had them on a basketball-court-at-night set,wearing tennis shoes,jeans,sports jersies singing accapella 5-part harmony,and they were amazing.You may not like their "boy-band" brand of music,but they have talent and,apparently,discipline.And it's not all done in the studio,from what I saw.

"Pseudo-Celtic Crap" is another aspect of the commercialization of ethnic music into pop.Every frigging car commercial you see now,even if the car is driving down a beach in Oahu, seems to have pipes and penny-whistles in the background.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Matt_R
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 07:19 PM

Thank you, Graham.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: poet
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 07:16 PM

Why!!!

do you expect to like/approve of the music of this generation when the previous generation to you didnt like the music of your generation. in most cases this is a deliberate act of rebellion on the part of the younger generation involved.
Now i am older than most and I have'nt liked anything since 1964 but I do not regard the music since as crap I just recognise it as DIFFERENT.
With regard to Celtic Music I believe that the fact fact that the young are moving away from the martial and nationilistic music that has been their heritage for the last two hundred years is a sign of hope. a sign that the young are thinking for themselves. after all what may have been right and neccasary 50 or even 20 yrs ago is not neccasarily right today.

Graham (Guernsey)

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: alison
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 06:56 PM

WW... the 2 CDs are by the group "Lunasa"

the first one is called "Lunasa" & I can't find the other one at the moment...... wonderful stuff

slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: MARINER
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 05:42 PM

Wilie O' Feadog is the Irish word for Whistle, another instrument that's much abused, but not as much as the bodhran. Listening to some exponents of the Bodhran I'm reminded of Seamus Ennis who replied when asked "Whatis the best way to play the bodhran?", "With a penknife!!"

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Matt_R
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 05:35 PM

The black hole of negativity opens it portals once again.

Subject: RE: Psudo Celtic cr*p?
From: Willie-O
Date: 18 Nov 00 - 05:16 PM

I know what crap is, but what's a feadag?

Squint-Nose Willie-O McCameron