BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: stevetheORC
Date: 03 Jul 03 - 04:29 AM

Well done Canada and the UK about time we moved ahead with this, too many people are treated as social outcasts because of there sexuality.
Let's all try to be more tolerant:-)))

De Orc

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 10:16 PM

Damn. I made a brilliant, witty post to this thread and it vanished. Blast. Well, I'll have to see if I can do it again.

Okay...

Lotsa good advice, folks! Thanks. Now which hand should I marry, the left or the right? And if I do that, will the other hand get jealous? Then what? Should I consider bigamy? Decisions, decisions...

Spousal support worries me. If I have to pay out too much to myself in alimony or housekeeping allowance, I may not have enough left to buy model kits!

The separation question does not worry me. I've already been beside myself on a few occasions with no lasting damage that I am aware of.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 10:03 PM

LtS, your post just triggered something. The Archbishop of Canterbury appointed a celibate gay to the Bishopric of Reading? Didn't Oscar Wilde do his time in Reading Gaol? Irony is still alive and well in England??

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: GUEST,amergin
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 08:35 PM

LH, maybe you should just marry your hand....at least you can uh "seperate" from that....

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: kendall
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 07:37 PM

Spousal support could be a bag of rats too! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 02:42 PM

Only thing is, Little Hawk, if it doesn't work out and you end up wanting a separation, you are really going to be in trouble...

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 01:00 PM

Yeah, well, thanks Canada! After many years of avoiding the pitfalls of conventional marriage, but falling into the pitfalls of heterosexual love relationships anyway (outside of marriage), I have finally realized that the only person suitable for fulltime living with me is...myself!

Now that this legislation has been passed, I am legally able as a male to marry myself. This is cool.

I am getting engaged to myself this week, having found a suitable ring and all that. I don't like wearing rings much, but I will carry it in my pocket or maybe wear it on a pendant. It will serve to makes others aware that I am no longer available, having pledged my troth to me alone.

I'll let y'all know when the marriage date is set. I'm gonna be my own best man too, just to simplify things.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: GUEST,irishajo
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 12:35 PM

Haha Wolfgang...I knew that sentence didn't sound right. Though I've known a few married couples that didn't love each other...or at least acted like they didn't.

At any rate, I am probably dreaming to think the US will follow suit anytime soon. The SCOTUS decision last week was quite a victory, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 11:17 AM

My friend and I are off to Banff National Park in the morning. Maybe I'll pop the question once we're north of the border. :-)

Go to an east or west border as well -- Alberta (Dallas North) is still dragging its heels and won't issue a license for same-sex marriage yet.

As far as Canada being a country of bigots, with shallow tolerance -- shallow tolerance is better than none!

And yes, the rights of the individual here are not quite (but close) as sacred as they are in the US. American society is based on the social contract theories of John Locke, who held the individual as the highest value. Canadian society is based on the social contract theories of Edmund Burke, who held the individual as valuable, but recognized that the value of the individual cannot be more important than that of the society to which the individual belongs. There are pluses and minuses in both perspectives, but the Canadian one does make for a more peaceful society, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 11:03 AM

'Fraid I have to agree with Peter's rather cynical evaluation, but it still allows for a less intense atmosphere than in the States, so I'll take it.

Folks are folks, no matter which side of the border they're on, but there's less public "hot button" pushing here.

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 10:55 AM

That's good news, of course, but I just have to share why I laughed out loud when reading the opening post:

This is one of my strongest beliefs, that consenting adults
who love each other should have the same rights as the rest of us. who don't love each other??

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: MAG
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 10:29 AM

During my conference in Toronto ending last week, a steady stream of gay couples headed off to city hall to tie the knot. A new revenue stream for this lovely city knocked around by SARS? (Citizens were embarassingly grateful to us for not cancelling our conference.)

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 09:57 AM

What's the difference between a registration register, which I gather would be binding on the parties unless and until formally cancelled, and a registry office marriage anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 09:46 AM

The brits are about to legalize something like a relationship registry - wonder if they'll let heteros who don't want to marry use it...

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: kendall
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 08:47 AM

I know a few people who are against gay couples, but when I ask them what real harm is being done, they can't say. They can quote Liviticus (part of it anyway) but they leave out the part about touching the skin of a dead animal.

Fact is, they prefer to live in the dark ages, and the light scares them to death. They also don't want to hear, "Your disapproval is hardly a basis for a law."

Bugger the lot of them, I say.

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 05:32 AM

Further to LTS' post, the UK government is likely to introduce legislation allowing a civil "mariage" for same sex couples very shortly. Plans seem to include a registration ceremony (similar to existing register office civil weddings, and the requirement for a formal dissolution ( "divorce").
This should give same sex couples the same legal rights (regarding tax, pensions, probate, next-of-kin rights etc) as the rest of us. About bloody time too.
Dáithí
(not gay,as it happens)

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 30 Jun 03 - 07:39 PM

Pluses for Canada>

Perhaps legalizing Gay unions>
A medical system that some of us would love to have.>
Having the honor of being the homeland of Stan Rogers.>


Minuses for Canada>

That little problem you have dealing with the Mohawks>
Individualism not as accepted>
Having to practically mortgage the house to buy a few books!>

Anyway, I also have never met a Canadian that I didn't like.

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: *daylia*
Date: 30 Jun 03 - 06:47 PM

"...if you Canucks would just move your country to a place where it doesn't snow, your population would triple in no time."

Well, the percentage of natural-born Canadians would probably plummet -- we wouldn't have to do the wild-winter-monkey-dance so much, just to keep from freezing solid!

As to same-sex marriages, it's about time. But hey, I married the old goat once, right here in Canada -- was that legal?

;>) daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 30 Jun 03 - 06:28 PM

Ya... we live here where it DOES snow, to keep people who can't handle it away!

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 03 - 06:54 AM

misophist said :"...if you Canucks would just move your country to a place where it doesn't snow, your population would triple in no time." Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Janice in NJ
Date: 30 Jun 03 - 06:21 AM

My friend and I are off to Banff National Park in the morning. Maybe I'll pop the question once we're north of the border. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: mack/misophist
Date: 21 Jun 03 - 09:37 AM

Tolerant bigots or not, if you Canucks would just move your country to a place where it doesn't snow, your population would triple in no time. I'd be one of the first. PS. Most of the nicest people I've ever known were Canadian.

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Peter T.
Date: 21 Jun 03 - 09:26 AM

Canada is a very strange country. It is full of what I would call tolerant bigots -- people who are deeply prejudiced against other people, but shrug their shoulders about interfering in other people's lives. It is the positive side of the introverted nature of the place. But the tolerance is very shallow -- I am afraid I put it down to things like respect for the laws, civil society, lack of guns, conformity, not a real embracing of other cultures or mores.

yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 21 Jun 03 - 04:19 AM

Fine for you Canadians; it was about time to follow the German example. There are even ministers who bless such unions of decent Christian people (in my Protestant Church of Hessen and Nassau), and I have no objections. If God has created man male, female, and homosexual, methinks all are entitled to pursuit their little bit of happiness.

Wilfried (hetero)

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 21 Jun 03 - 04:00 AM

Sort of ties in with the brouhaha we have in the UK at the moment - the Bishop of Oxford has just appointed an openly gay (although by admission celebate, despite living with a partner for 27 years) Bishop to the see of Reading.

Personally, I think the Church of England is so short of decent bishops that anyone, male, female, part goat, Martian, gay, straight, celebate, or at it like rabbits, should be given a chance to take on the task. The judgement should be on what the man does, not what he is. Besides, with the amount of gay and lesbian priests in holy orders at the moment, it was only a matter of time before one of them, out or not, acheived a position of this elevation.

I know that the Bible teaches us that it is wrong to have sexual relations with the same sex, but it also teaches us it's wrong to covet, murder, steal, eat pork, not wear a hat (male), cut our hair (female), get married, not get married or suffer a witch to live - who's going to start enforcing all that?!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Mudlark
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 11:08 PM

Another reason to run for the border. US looking less enlightened all the time...

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 06:21 PM

my view is that ANY form and combination of civil 'marriage' should be legal...but the details would have to be submitted for review... and notarized... and all signatories would be BOUND by the rules they propound. Those who choose religious forms would also have to sign the civil version of their choice.....

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 05:21 PM

Same sex marriages, nearly legal pot, socialized medicine...

What a great place this country is!

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 05:18 PM

I agree!! Some of our friends have been "partners" for so long...they are really excited about this.

Thanks, Canada, for lighting the way!

Subject: BS: Thank you, Canada (Same-Sex Marriage)
From: GUEST,irishajo
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 05:15 PM

Canada leads the way in the fight for equal rights for all.   Pray/hope that the U.S. one day follows suit. This is one of my strongest beliefs, that consenting adults who love each other should have the same rights as the rest of us.

Thank you, Canada. (Well, most of Canada, anyway.)

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030619.ugay0618/BNStory/Nation

http://www.progressive.org/webex03/wx062003.html